when you hear that the white house official that helped inform the whistleblower's report was shaken. and describe the call as crazy and frightening, what's your gut reaction? >> well, i couldn't help by hark back to the memos of phone calls that president obama engaged with. which i never sat in on any calls that the president made live. but i did get summaries. officials where it was relevant of the calls and come to me some weeks later. and i found them uniformly pore boring. it was good to know the policy call. for me as intelligence guy, it wasn't all that important to me. and now when i'm just trying to