influence in foreign policy. >> yeah. i said letter. i meant the transcript. you knew what i was talking about. >> right. >> you also say energy secretary rick perry was significant to you as well. >> well, he resigned. it's all bizarre and we wonder whether somebody is trying to make him out to be a scapegoat. there's so many things, godon, that are surrounding all this, and i've been watching it intently. you and i have debated it. i have asked myself, what is the appropriate thing to do because, look, you know, at the end, removing a president of the united states or voting for impeachment to do that is a very big deal to me. it's just not some political thing that you just throw away. i must tell you, though, that i believe that the democrats should take a vote in the house of representatives on the impeachment inquiry, and the reason they're not doing it according to sources -- news sources in "the new york times," they're afraid of the political ramifications. bologna. let's get all the chips out. let's have transparency.