that's what we have to keep our eye on. where is the public because the public will mitigate party, and may force some people to think about their conscience. >> okay. >> and being true to it. >> conscience. >> one way or the other. >> party, public, in a triangle. thank you, john kasich. >> okay. it could go in a political science book. it could be brilliant, like the theory of relativity. all right, don. thank you. >> he needs an art class. gordon sondland implicating some major trump administration players in the ukraine scandal. we'll be right back. er shop. when you shop small you help support your community - from after school programs to the arts! so become a regular, more regularly. because for every dollar you spend at a small business, an average of 67 cents stays in the community. join me and american express on small business saturday, november 30th,