he was in the closed hearings that preceded the open debate on articles. clinton did the same, and i -- i have a vague recollection that andrew johnson had good representation as well. so this is how guilty trump is. he doesn't -- he also is probably aware that one of the reasons nixon was forced from office is he lied to his attorney, and his attorney put it to him at the end and said, listen, you forced me to present false evidence to this committee, and i have to go up and clean it up. and that's what indeed happened when the smoking gun tape was released. >> if we have more time, we'll get back to the impeachment if we have time. but i want to get to this fbi interview, shimon. we have notes, the fbi interview notes and we're getting new insight from people like hope hicks. what did she tell investigators? >> this is all because of a lawsuit. we along with bud fezzfeed had