husband and wife? >> let's see. we got married the next year. we dated for about a year. we dated for seven months before i got engaged. i realized the clock was ticking before she figured out she could do better. asked, got that out of the way, she said yes. her parents didn't like it. especially her mother. but it was the type of thing where i asked and popped the question quickly, and i was nothing like what they pictured for their daughter, you know. cowboy from west virginia was not on the list. >> 20 years later, do you sometimes live out that video where you have to choose between pleasing kim and doing either fishing or something else you want to do? >> i think every man -- how long have you been married? >> 25 years. >> you know. >> yes. >> yeah. >> the answer is yes. >> and what's funny, this is ironic too, as we go back to the same subject of writing what's