conditions they need. you are absolutely right, that in a teacher cannot teach, they should be fired effectively and quickly. that's why you need to have real evaluations. >> but the unions make it difficult to fire a teacher. california, you heard the testimony, ten years, half a million dollars to fire a teacher. >> and then there was also testimony -- this case is going to be appealed. there's testimony in california that said that districts that are working together like abc, laguna beach, never have these problems. look at what happened in new york. when we saw the extensive time it was taking, the union and even michael bloom berg got together and said, we're going to cut that time. >> what's the time in new york? how long does it take to fire a teacher? >> three to six months. >> do they get paid? >> unless there is terrible offense that they are accused of, they get paid. >> what about getting tenure. we heard three to five years as opposed to one and a half years. is that acceptable? >> at the end of the day, the