Square off on the debate stage and the list of superlatives attached to it is long. Itll be the earliest general Election Debate ever by a lot the second earliest, 1980 took place in late september. It is the first debate between a president and former president. First, with a convicted felon. In addition, theres a good positive ability. The Supreme Court will rule tomorrow morning on the former president s claim of criminal immunity for his actions surrounding january 6, meaning that by tomorrow night, he could be anywhere from that much closer to another criminal trial to off the hook entirely, which theres quite a backdrop, but no less significant than the stakes for both men theres no clear leader in our latest poll of polls and theres been no shortage of dissatisfaction for months now with vocal enervates, tomorrow night will be a chance for them to reach millions of voters at once in the hour ahead, were going to take a look at how theyve been preparing for the moment. Well explore the different challenges they face and the unique problem that incumbents have had during their first lets debates first though, cnns mj lee and kristen holmes, the latest from inside both campaigns, mj, what more you learning about what President Biden wants to accomplish them are nine well, anderson, if you put all of the policy issues aside for a second, theres one specific category of incoming from donald trump that the as it is preparing for embracing 4. And that is personal insults that are directed not only at the president of members of his family as well, im told by one biden adviser that at these debate prep sessions at camp david in recent days something that the president has been reading for the potential insults and attack that are thrown his way, aimed at specific members of his family. And this adviser wouldnt elaborate. This is obviously a very sensitive issue, but something that is of course still very frehse for the biden family is the news from earlier this month that his son, hunter biden, was convicted on three separate felony gun charges a saga that has been incredibly deeply painful for the entire biden family. And what is incredible is that the president has already experienced donald trump going after his son, hunter biden. This was back in the september for 2020 debate when President Trump said that hunter biden had been dishonorably discharged for using cocaine. From the military to be clear, he was administratively charge, which is different. He also mocked a hunter biden, if youll recall, saying he couldnt get a job until President Biden had become Vice President. So the defense, if you also remember that President Biden gave at the time, but saying, look, yes, like a lot of American Families are families. One that has dealt with the problem of addiction, but im proud of my son and i love my son. Eighth had said at the time that that ended up being actually one of the most resonant moments coming out of the debate. But i think all of this just goes to show the biden teams broader strategy of trying to prepare for anything and everything. But donald trump might throw his way thursday night and creusa understand, you have some reporting on this from the the trump team as well yeah. Interesting. Weve actually heard donald trump, but even as recently as last week, say that he believes the hunter biden and his legal issues, were actually going to come up in the debate and likely he means because he would bring them up. We know this is something that he often brings up at rallies at various events. And even with donors talking about hunter biden, talking about his legal issues, linking it back to president joe biden. I have talked to a number of people in trumps orbit who are hoping that he stays away from this line of attacks. They understand that donald trump himself can be increasingly he nasty, that he tends to go very, very personal. Obviously, President Biden from mds reporting is preparing for that. But what they are hoping he does is stays awake from that. Instead, focuses just on their messaging. They want donald trump to show up at the debate on thursday and focus on a contrast between his former ministration and that of joe bidens, particularly when it comes to the economy and inflation prime and immigration. If you look at all the recent polling, thats what theyre going off. It shows the donald trump the head with voters on those issues. They dont want him to dive into personal attacks, nonstop. Now, obviously, bot is going depend on what happens on that stage thursday, they cannot control that, but what they are hoping and telling him to do that is best options are to stay on message and focus on the issues. All right. Kristen holmes, mj lee, thanks so much with me here tonight. Republican geoff duncan, the former Lieutenant Governor of georgia, who announced today he is now supporting President Biden. Cnn, senior political commentator, former Trump Campaign adviser, david urban, former Atlanta MayorKitchen Lands bottoms, whos joining the Biden Campaign its a senior adviser, also former obama senior adviser, David Axelrod and cnn chief national correspondent, john king. Obviously, David Axelrod, did you have a lot of experience with president obama in debates, you know, joe biden as a debater. Do you expect him to try a trump to try to get under bidens skin with family . I do like expecting to try and distract and one of the interesting questions to me is the mics are gonna go off when your time is up. It doesnt prevent trump from continuing to talk and try to just trying to distract the podiums are eight feet apart. I dont know if that means sound is picked up. I think well, i dont think its i mean, i saw a demonstration right . Cnn earlier today, its in sound like it was being picked up so it actually could be an odd seen if the president is responding to things that people can hear. But in any case, i do think that theyre imperatives for both these guys and for joe biden, the impairing but it is clearly to be engaged, active, and i think on the offense and not on the defense. And for trump the question is for biden, can he control the event the question for trump is, can he control himself . The first debate last time was a disaster for trump because he was interrupting and he was up noxious. And i think he knows it and its advisors know it and they say hes not gonna do it again. But as mike tyson one said, everybody has a plan until theyre punched in the face. So well see how he responds to provocation john, i look i would say that anytime spent at hunter biden is going to be viewed in most of the country as a waste of time now, the trump based would love it. The trump based with absolutely love it. He has to trump base. If donald trump steps on that stage, worried about the trump voters, hes already lost. He, he doesnt have to worry about them. He has them. Thats why he has a slight lead this race. So what is the point youre gonna make about 100 biden, thats going to address any of your weaknesses or four to fight your strengths, right . He is ahead and polling right now in the economy it on immigration. What can you say about this issues to talk to the American People to say, you want me not him, youve had threeandahalf years of him. You want me he has giant weaknesses. He needs to help, but this state these two can talk about a lot better than i can is changing by the minute, becoming a more diverse, more suburban, more college collegeeducated state. Thats Donald Trumps kryptonite. Thats why he lost georgia in 2020 because they does he have the character . What about january 6 . Whats your commitment to democracy . Thats what they want to hear him talk about. They want to see if hes learned any lessons. They dont want to hear him talk about hunter biden and the precedent has a giant challenge. Hes an incumbent president of the country thats very unhappy with the direction we are heading. So number one, he has to put on a vigorous performance to quiet any doubts about his age or at least turn the volume down on those doubts about his age. But i would argue most importantly from my travels he has to look the American People in the eye and talk about cost of living in a way that is relevant to them. I say cost of living because people are talking about rent. Theyre talking about my house is worth a lot more money than when i bought it and i actually refinance at a good rate. Im great, but ive had a kid or two since then, but i want to buy a bigger house, but i cant because all the prices have gone up and the Mortgage Rates have gone up. Groceries are still high in a lot of bidens supporters complain about supermarkets sticker shock. Sometimes gets defensive. It says the numbers are good, the numbers are better. The economys great thats the wrong strategy. People dont feel that they should focus on or to find their strengths and addressing. They both have glaring weaknesses. Hunter biden to me 60 voters, ive talked to in ten states, they would view it as a waste when youre an incumbent. And theres 65 or 70 of people say the countries on the wrong track, you do not want the election to be a referendum. You want to make it a choice that has to be the imperative for the president what are you expecting their bottoms . Yeah, i think this election will be about not just the future, but its going to be about the past. Then we are in a different situation here because weve got a guidance this president before i was mayor while he was president , it was a pretty traumatic experience and i think people need to be reminded. I think its human nature for us to try and move on from farm trauma. But 2020, the pandemic the way he talked about injecting people with bleach charlottesville, theyre good people on both sides appointing three Supreme Court justices who have now overturned roe v. Wade. And i can go on and on and on. I think we have to remind people that, but also reminded people of how this administration has delivered and how it will continue to look to deliver going david urban, one of the disadvantages President Biden has now is that people need to be two her point, people need to be reminded of things President Biden, prisoner the president said, no, no, said 44 years ago, as opposed to things that biden has done now john, david and the mayor make a good point, right so President Biden has record this time. He didnt have a record to run on. Youve never record to be attacked and those first two debates, President Trump totally did not do a good job in the first debate in 2020, the second debate, he reported himself very well by all accounts, probably one, no one was tuning in if that donald shows up tomorrow night here and addresses those issues like john says, if he comes out and says, listen, im gonna park pardon hunter biden, which id love to see right so ill pardon hunter biden. I think thatd be a really wise move on his part. Said like just like me, hunter biden would have been prosecuted if his name wasnt biden. If i would have been prosecuted by boys donald trump. So im gonna im gonna see through this. Im going to remove this shenanigans. Id love for you to do that. Thats how you bring up his name and look a passionate i think you talk about those Kitchen Table issues that people in america, despite joe bidens best efforts to fight everyone, a white house trying to sell their accomplishments people in america dont buy it poll after poll after poll to davids point, wrong track, right . Hes an unpopular inflations too much, everythings too expensive. The rent is too high. Nobody cares about at democracy, nobody cares about these bigger issues where you cant fill up your gas tank and send your kids at summer camp. Thats what i think is going to be on the on the debate stage tomorrow. If trump could focused on that, he gets a w, the geoff, i mean, you are a lifelong republican, you and congressman to m. Kinzinger and other republican this morning endorse President Biden after endorsing him last month, theres morning. Or you endorsed him, i guess last last month. The two of you appeared at a Biden Campaign event and one of the things you said you said, lets take the next four years is republicans and build and heal a new party, a gop to 0. 0 how can President Biden appeal to more people like you . Well, first of all, welcome to georgia, the home of the safest faris, the most legal elections in the country we can prove it and we have proved it and the answer to that question is Donald Trumps in a box, 45 of this country loves to hear what he says. But its appalling to the rest of the country. Theres really no opportunity for him to build a bridge that 10 in the middle that actually are paying attention that care that are trying to come to grips as a republican, lifelong republican, theyre trying to come to grips with showing up in vote for a democrat for the first time. I think joe biden has a better opportunity to do that as john talked about this economy, this is the tale of two stories. Some people wake up and this is the worst economy they could possibly imagine trying to afford a house a rant, or groceries. Some folks are waking up and this is a golden time for them. Therefore, when ks are overflowing their houses, their jobs are secure i think President Biden has to extend an olive branch to those folks in the middle and talk with a very high articulate voice as to where the economy, because if youre one of those folks sitting on a bunch of assets, you dont want somebody to rip the scab off really quickly and change the deflection. But if you cant afford groceries to the 20 to that point, he has to admit that hes got a problem, right . I think thats the olive branch. I think we have to talk about spending in a way that says Donald Trumps been 8 trillion. We didnt have. And hes a fake republican for doing that. Elections. This is one place where i have to thank a little bit of exception with my friend, the mayor. I dont think elections are about the past elections are about the future. And i think where the president has to go is bring that sort of famous empathy of his talk about what people are going through, but also talk about what hes doing and what trump would do talk about what hes doing, the Lower Health Care costs and then trump won in decommission the Affordable Care act, talk about what he did to lower prescription drugs and what trump wants to do without talking about the fact that he wants to cut taxes for working families who have children while trump wants to give another big tax cut, 2 billionaires. I mean, there are on issue, after issue, there are comparative about what the future would look like with these two candidates, joe biden has to go in there with that mindset. He did it for years go, but its easier when youre challenger weve got to pick this up after a short break. 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