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The same interview that was advertised as no holds barred. Lance armstrong saying he was telling the full truth. The interview where armstrong repeatedly said he was coming clean about his use of banned substances. Tygart whose damning report led to the cyclist stripped of his titles and banned from the sport for life, he also told cbs news hes offered armstrong a deadline, february 6th, to cooperate fully and totally truthfully in exchange for a lessening of his lifetime ban from sports. Joining me is juliet macur and betsy andreu. Travis is telling scott on 60 minutes that Lance Armstrong lied to Oprah Winfrey about his 20092010 attempt at the tour de france. Armstrong said he used a little bit of epo previously. Travis tygart says that is absolutely not true. Also Lance Armstrong claimed he didnt offer usada a 250,000 donation amid lingering questions about whether he was doping or not. And that he didnt pressure teammates to dope their blood. Travis says all of that is not true. That he did pressure teammates, that a lieutenant of his did offer a donation that he was doping 2009, 2010. And that he pressured teammates. Whats your reaction to what Travis Tygart has said . Well, i think that, remember, in the interview with oprah, lance said if he could go back to june when usada reached out to him, he said he would do anything to have that day back and accept his offer. So despite trying to bankrupt usada and destroy them, theyve graciously given lance another opportunity to have that day back. And if lance is truly sorry, he is going to be truthful, and hes going to help clean up the sport of cycling, and tell the truth, no holds barred. I want to play just some of what Travis Tygart has told 60 minutes. Take a look. You know, at one point in the interview, he said that he was curious about the definition of the word cheater. And he looked it up in the dictionary. And didnt think it necessarily applied to him. Its amazing. This guy, you could go to almost any kindergarten in this country, frankly, around the world, and find kids playing tag, or four square and ask them what cheating is. And every one of them will tell you, its breaking the rules of the game. No real athlete has to look up the definition of cheating. Its offensive to clean athletes out there working hard to play by the rules, that apply to their sport. He suggested that cycling in those years was a level Playing Field because everyone did it. He wasnt doing anything special. Its simply not true. The access they had to inside information, to how the tests work, what tests went in place at what time, special access to the laboratory. He was the one that was in an entirely different Playing Field than all the other athletes, even if you assume all the other athletes had access to doping products. Juliet, for him to claim it was a level Playing Field, there was no team that had as much money as Lance Armstrongs team. And as much access to private jets. I mean, it was not a level Playing Field, was it, juliet . No, not only did the u. S. Postal service have the most sophisticated doping program around, but it really wasnt a level Playing Field when it came to the athletes on the team. Some of the athletes didnt require as much epo to reach a level where they could perform, and some of them like lance needed more. So it wasnt a level Playing Field among their own teammates, much less in the sport. Betsy, your husband was on the team. Do you find it unbelievable when Lance Armstrong says he didnt pressure people to dope on the team . Yeah, and maybe in his own mind he thinks that thats how he justifies it, or negates it. I dont quite get it. At one point he said he wasnt the enforcer, but at another point he said he was the bully. From our own experience, we know that when franky refused to get on the program, to see ferrari, he was left off the team. He eventually had no job. Ferrari was the doctor. Im just saying for our viewers. Yes. So i dont agree with that. Because not everybody i think lances projecting on to other people what he himself was doing, or what he himself felt. Juliet usada has offered armstrong a deadline of february 6th to cooperate with them, with the possibility of reducing his lifetime ban. Do you think he will take them up on that, that he would testify that he really would come clean . In that oprah interview, he really didnt go into details about how the doping program worked. He said he only used a little bit of epo, which travis said is categorically untrue, that his levels were off the charts. At this point, having given that interview, can he now come back and say, well, actually, you know, even though my exwife did tell me not to dope in 20092010, i did. Can he now change his story, juliet . Sure. I think he can definitely change his story. It might become public, we wont know that until later. But i think he wants to come forward. Not necessarily by february 6th. But this just happened this last week or ten days ago or something. He needs some time in order to really realize how he is viewed by the world and how much he needs to come forward. And for Travis Tygart to say, Lance Armstrong, you have to come in by february 6th. Im not sure thats the way to work when it comes to lance. Hes not the type of guy who really works well with people strongarming him and headbutting him. He needs time to think about it before he comes forward. It will be interesting to see what happens. Yeah, but i dont see that as being strongarming lance. This is not the rules according to lance. Usada didnt have to do this. They are bending over backwards saying were giving you yet another chance. Usada is being really gracious here, i think. Its interesting, betsy and juliet, we had dan on who cowrote a book on doping, and with the cyclists. He was saying often with tyler hamilton, it was difficult for tyler to tell the full truth all at once. That somebody who has lied for so long, and so extensively, in the case of Lance Armstrong gone after people like you, betsy, who were telling the truth, that he is sort of incapable of telling all the truth at once. Do you buy that, betsy, that for someone whos so ingrained with lying, that its hard to come forward . Its definitely hard telling the truth, and contrition, new concepts to lance. But he did make the first move. I dont think the oprah forum was the right way to go. But its said and done. So now hes got to mitigate the damage the interview did. And he can do that by telling the whole unadulterated complete truth. Usada. I want to play a little bit of what lance how Lance Armstrong described the doping operation to Oprah Winfrey, kind of minimizing it. Lets listen. Travis tygart said in a statement that you and the u. S. Postal service cycling team pulled off the most, in his words, sophisticated professionalized and successful doping program that the sport has ever seen. Was it . No. No. And i think he actually said that all of the sport has ever seen. Oprah, it wasnt. It was it was definitely professional. And it was definitely smart, if you can call it that. But it was very conservative. Very risk averse. Very aware of what mattered. And what didnt. Juliet, at first he said, well, compared to the east german olympic efforts of doping, you know, back in the 70s and 80s, it wasnt as sophisticated. Hes comparing to an east German Government effort to dope at the olympics. He also denied that even within the sport of cycling, it was not the most sophisticated. But youre saying, juliet, its arguable whether in all sports, but in the sport of cycling there was no other team that could do what this team could. Well, im not sure. But if there was a team like that, then the u. S. Postal service team wouldnt have won seven tours in a row. That was pretty phenomenal. There was a reason for that. You know, people tend to think it was because they were doping better than everybody else. Its, again, another development in this ongoing story. Well continue to follow it. Betty andreu we appreciate talking to you. And juliet macur as well. Thank you very much. Were talking about this on twitter. Lets continue the conversation on twitter anderson cooper. President obama sitting down for his first joint interview with secretary of state Hillary Clinton. Well take a listen to some of what they said and look ahead at what could be next for secretary clinton after leaving the state department. A run for 2016 . Two different opinions. The raw politics ahead. [ slap ] [ male announcer ] your Favorite Foods fighting you . Fight back fast with tums. Calciumrich tums starts working so fast youll forget you had heartburn. 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For secretary clinton it caps off a highprofile week that includes the president s inauguration, testifying before congress about the benghazi attack. In the 60 minutes interview with president obama offering plenty of praise for her. Why did you want to do this together, a joint interview . The main thing is, i wanted to have a chance to publicly say thank you. Because i think hillary will go down as one of the finest secretary of states weve had. It has been a great collaboration over the last four years. Im going to miss her. Wish she was sticking around. But she has logged in so many miles, i cant begrudge her to want to take it easy for a little bit. But i want the country to appreciate just what an extraordinary role shes played during the course of my administration, and a lot of the successes weve had internationally have been because of her hard work. A few years ago it would have been seen as improbable. Because we had that very long, hard primary campaign. But you know, ive gone around the world on behalf of the president and our country. And one of the things that i say to people, because i think it helps them understand, i say, look, in politics, and in democracy, sometimes you win elections, sometimes you lose elections. I work very hard, but i lost. And then president obama asked me to be secretary of state. And i said yes. And why did he ask me and why did i say yes . Because we both love our country. It is incredible when you think about the fierce political rivalry that once existed between these two. Now two opinions from two smart reporters on whether or not she will make a bid for the presidency. But first kate bolduan takes a look back at how battles evolved into this partnership. Reporter barack obama and Hillary Clinton have faced questions together before. Here in a 2008 president ial debate with cnns wolf blitzer. I dont want to just end the war, but i want to end the mindset that got us in the war in the first place. Thats the kind of leadership i intend to provide as president of the United States. And of course senator clinton, thats a clear swipe at you. Really . Reporter back then it was a very different relationship, in the midst of an already bitter rivalry. While i was working on those streets, you were a corporate lawyer sitting on the board of walmart. You were practicing law and representing your contributor, restco, in his slum landlord business in inner city chicago. Reporter but that relationship quickly changed. I endorse him and throw my full support behind him. Reporter just as Hillary Clinton showed her support for president obama, obama showed his faith in clinton. I have no doubt that Hillary Clinton is the right person to lead our state department, and to work with me in tackling this ambitious Foreign Policy agenda. Reporter what was Hillary Clintons initial reaction when you told her, look, theyre considering you for the possibility of secretary of state. She didnt believe it. Reporter one of clintons closest aides. I emailed her, i think it was the friday after election day, after hearing it from two reporters. And im pretty sure her reply was something along the lines of, not for a million reasons. If she was hesitant, why not just say no . I think she did, or came awfully close. I think the president was very persuasive. Were delighted to welcome senator clinton secretary of state designate. Reporter clinton was quickly confirmed. But how would she get along with the man who defeated her campaign . Could she work for him . Everyone expected, including myself, that there would be a lot of division, a lot of secretary clinton going behind the president s back. So was there any tension coming in between the two people at the top . I think everyones been surprised. Reporter surprised that while secretary clinton and president obama have been separated often as she travels the world, they have maintained a unified front. They very early on set a tone of, this is how its going to be. She is my secretary of state, and from her point of view, he is our president. And she worked no anything contrary to that. What was that moment that you think crystallized the relationship . They were in denmark for a Climate Change conference. Reporter obama and clinton believe china and other countries resisting a pollution standards agreement were meeting in secret. President obama and secretary clinton were talking kind of alone, you know, in some hallway. And he said, lets go. And she said, lets go. So they just kind of barge in . They kind of barged in. They said, hey, guys, what are you doing . Were here. Whats going on here . Were here. And they got the deal done. Reporter they got that deal done, and went on to three more years sharing success, controversy, even tragedy as close partners. And i think, you know, there are not a lot of people in the world who go through what they do, and, you know, its the president h. W. Bush bill clinton relationship, its carter ford, mcenroe connors, whatever it is, when youre on the court after the fact, youre like, hey, youre more like me than not. Were bonding. For good or bad, weve been put together. And its always going to be like that. From rivals to partners, the evolution of this friendship has been something to watch over the last fourplus years. And is now entering a new phase as president obama takes on his send term, and Hillary Clinton heads towards her last day as a top member of his cabinet. Kate bolduan, cnn, washington. So now Hillary Clinton is leaving the state department, what is next for her. Lets bring in chief Political CorrespondentCandy Crowley and john king. In 2008, barack obama, Hillary Clinton were bitter enemies battling a tough primary season. Now fast forward, theyre doing this highprofile joint interview. What do you make of how their relationship has evolved . I think it evolves out of political necessity. Its a very powerful force in politics. And it is not the first time that rivals have ended up being friends sort of. Are they friends . Well, look, have they been to the white house for dinner . Were told not. See, i find it amazing. She owes him a lot and he owes them a lot. There was the