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CNNW Anderson Cooper 360 April 24, 2015

Were being pushed. When they try to arrest someone they are being swarmed by protesters. Okay thank you. And some objects are being thrown. Im not sure why that man was arrested. I didnt see what he allegedly did. But when they try to arrest anyone regarding the protests you can see what happens here. Brian todd joins us now. So the scuffle we saw, do we know what happened there . [ chanting ] reporter anderson at that moment we were witnessing two people being arrested. And that really got the crowd riled up very angry and they confronted the police and it was almost a pretty violent con frontation. There were objects thrown and there were officers arresting those two people and got them away. That is about as violent as it has gotten. This is an interesting scene. They are doing an impromptu street dramatic play and showing what they believe the police are doing, people down on the ground with their hands behind their backs and it is street drama here to vent their anger at the police show us and others what they believe the police are doing and the brutality the police are committing on them. It has been going on all night. Angry protests but i have to say, anderson by enlarge, the protesters have policed themselves. When it has gotten confrontational, we have protest leaders telling the fellow protesters to stop throwing objects. So they are angry and passionate but by enlarge, pretty peaceful. Brian, for context, do you have any idea how large the protest is where you are . Reporter i would say probably 300 people. And it has kind of ebb and flowed but about 300 people. And i want to go to miguel marquez. First of all, where are you and what are you seeing where you are . Reporter well we are not very far from where brian is over here. The crowd has thinned out quite a bit. There is about 150 people or so here. The police this is the Western District. Theyve changed the security arrangements for tonight and there are literally more police out here than protesters. They go down to the other end of the Western District and they left the police open when they did not do last night. Police despite people hanging over the rails and taunting the police all day, they have shown great restraint. In some cases you had some of the commanders come out and take people off the line who are having trouble either standing there for that long because theyve been out here for many hours or because the taunting at some points gets to them. For the most part the protesters have been very angry, taunting the Police Officers. And there has been great restraint shown by the Police Officers. Clearly the commissioner wants to let them protest and let them get out. And the commissioner today meeting with some members of distant members of freddie grays family trying to diffuse the situation. The protest today not panning out as big as protesters said it would be but everybody focusing on saturday and there is concern among the protesters working here to organize this saying that saturday could get out of hand and a lot of groups coming in from out of town. What is the plan for the saturday protest . Do you know . Reporter it is diffuse. There are going to be protests here in front of the police station, down the block where freddie gray was arrested and downtown at city hall. City hall is where it is really going to the focal point will be but they are starting in different places and it sounds like there will be a lot of people marching to here or from here to city hall as well. It is going to be a very very big event it sounds like. Anderson. And how are the protests organized. You talk about it being diffuse and multiple locations on different nights. Is this spread through word of mouth or social media . Do we know . Reporter a lot of it is word of mouth. There are a lot of Community Groups here in the gilmore homes area and the naacp is involved in that is getting people out. The nation of islam though is coming up from washington, d. C. They are busing people in as well. Weve heard there protesters in new york and in ferguson and different parts around the country who are starting to come in. And were speeing a lot of different seeing a lot of different groups not just africanamerican but those concerned with justice across the board were seeing to come in here. So we think it will be many many individuals coming in to baltimore on saturday. Anderson. Miguel thank you very much. Well continue to keep an eye on the demonstrations throughout the hour that were on the air tonight. Joining us now is the gray family attorney billy murphy. Mr. Murphy good to have you on again. Now that the family has mr. Grays body you plan to do an independent autopsy. What questions do you hope that autopsy will answer . Well we want to see what happened. We want to get a second look from somebody we trust. And well see what the bodys condition was. Well see whether there was evidence of other trauma and a lot of things. Well look at the spine and the broken neck things of that nature. And we talked to the attorney for the Police Officers yesterday and he says he believes whatever happened happened once mr. Gray was placed inside that van. He doesnt know what happened and he doesnt know how the injuries were sustained. Do you believe what happened to mr. Gray occurred inside that van or do you believe it occurred before . I dont really speculate until i get all of the facts. And we dont have that yet and were not close to having that yet. We learned yesterday that five of the six officers have given statements for the investigation. Have you or the family gotten any more details from police as to what actually happened that day . No we havent. And were anxious to get that. But on the other hand i respect that if they are still there are still witnesses to be identified they dont want to run the risk that we or anyone else will disseminate those statements so that those witnesses would be forewarned and make false consistent statements or Something Else like that. So we respect the investigative process and were patient. I understand the mayor has requested a meeting with the gray family and they are turned her down. Do you know why that is . The gray family is really so upset right now about the loss of their son. And they dont want to be disturbed for the foreseeable future and im sure anderson that you can understand that. They also dont want to be a part of a media sideshow and they dont want to be used for showings of goodwill. Their interested in what the mayor is going to do. And perhaps if they take the position that the mayor, after this is well down the line has done all that she can done theyll meet with her. But they are not in a position right now, nor should they be nor should anyone expect them to be to be seeing people. They want to be left alone. I know obviously there is an autopsy done and youve said wisely you dont want to go down the road of speculation, does it make any sense to you, when you hear the Police Attorney saying the injuries were sustained inside inside that van, i mean does that does that pass a smell test for you . Well my sense of smell is pretty numb right now because ive had so many things of smell that didnt smell good. So you have to forgive me if im not on the money with the smell test. But many things are possible but again that would be in the realm of speculation and i dont want to do that. This is too important and i want to go where the facts tell us we should go. Fair enough. Billy murphy. It is good to have you on. 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The families of two al qaeda hostages one italian and one american after learning a tragic act of war took their lives. Two were killed in a drone strike back in january. The same strike kills a top american al qaeda figure and a separate killed a born al qaeda mouth piece. The fact that the people ordering the strikes did not know who they were hitting and that the hostages were in harms way has prompted questions about the drone war. More tonight from jim sciutto. It was in this mountainous border region between pakistan and afghanistan that a drone strike kill twod western hostages held by al qaeda, including warren weinstein, app ducted in pakistan in 2011. The al qaeda compound was under investigation for hundreds of hours but the u. S. Did not know that weinstein and the italian were being held and hidden inside. In this proof of life video, weinstein, an aid worker pleaded for his freedom. It seems i have been totally abandoned. Today president obama apologized for a fatal mistake. We believed this was an al qaeda compound and no civilians were present and that capturing these terrorists was not possible. Weinsteins wife in a statement blamed his captors for his death and demanded answers from washington saying we do understand that the u. S. Government will be conducted an independent investigation of the circumstances. We look forward to the results of that investigation. Killed in the same attack was al qaeda leader auck men farouk. He was the deputy head of al qaeda, who attempted to hijack Pakistani Naval vessels last september. In the framework of americas war on socalled terror killed in another air strike in january, american al qaeda operative and propagandist adam Guardian Guardian from california. Counterterrorism in the region has been our focus for years because it is the home of al qaeda leadership. Little solace for families looking for a different outcome. And jim scuitto joins me now. If they didnt know he was in the compound what makes they know he was killed. Circumstantial evidence. They dont have body or evidence. It took them four months to establish this. The strikes took place in midjanuary. Im told there was a crucial final piece of evidence this month that led them to make this judgment. And it is an intelligence assessment and not 100 conclusive but enough that the president is willing to go out and say so in public. And with all of this what you discover its difficult to find one person trying to hide. We saw that with bin laden. He hid for 10 years and it is hard to find them both at the time and place. And we saw that in the efforts to rescue james foley. They found the right location but arrived too late. It is difficult without hard assets on the ground to establish these things conclusively. Jim, we appreciate the report. None of this is easy nor is it simple. Joining us is franktownsend who serves on the dhs and cia boards and Jeffrey Toobin and former hostage david road who had been in touch with members of the weinstein family and cnn security analyst peter burgen. And it is a complicated situation, but how do they get Something Like this wrong . The administration said they had hundreds of hours of persistent surveillance and they had a target there in farouk a bad guy, an american and there is process for a target to kill a drone strike of an american and they would have had the persistent surveillance to make sure they knew where in the compound not to hit women and children. But there is no way, if they hide the hostages as they did, short of having an asset inside of al qaeda, inside of that compound there is no way to avoid this. And so while it is a tragedy, it may not have been a mistake in terms of the guidelines as they were followed. And david when you were being held hostage by the taliban, held seven months before being able to escape how worried were you of being killed in a drone air strike . The drones were around all of the time and there was a drone next to a house i was held in. The concussion from the explosion was so powerful it blew out of the plastic of the room i was standing in and shrapnel and dirt landed there. And the drone strikes were effective. And they talked about a famous foreign militant who taught them how to make bombs and he was killed in a drone strike. So it is a difficult process, but from what i saw, and just my personal experience they were largely effective. And david, that is what is interesting, people havent been there in the region you can hear the drones buzzing flying overhead . Yeah. They are like small propeller aircraft a piper or like a cessna circling overhead. And they knew that. They would order me inside of the house when there was a drone overhead and they assumed that the American Government was hunting me and the American Government wanted to kill me because they had this crazy ideas about what they could get for one american captive. They are constantly overhead. Peter, what do we know and they mentioned farouk and adam gadan and i think we have talked about him on this broadcast repeatedly over the years, how important were they. Gaddan was the First American charged with treason and it carried the Death Penalty and it is a charge very rarely invoked. There is no evidence that he was he was Planning Operations against the United States but he was a leading spokesperson for al qaeda and u. S. Prosecutors must have felt there was a good case to advance the treason case against him. And farouk we hear he is an american but what we know about him is not a very great deal. Hes hes head of this new al qaeda affiliate, the south asian affiliate and they have had a number of leaders killed in the last several months and has positioned itself in a way of competing with isis which is getting the new affiliates so al qaeda went out and, as a sign of their weakness rather than strength get some local pakistanis for their affiliate but the second american killed was an al qaeda leader. And in terms of the legality of killing american citizens without due process and im talking about guardianad an and farouk and the strike against american targets, what is that process . What is the legality there . According to the administration they did not know specifically they were trying to kill these two americans. They were not disappointed they were killed but this was not a targeted killing in the way the killing of the cleric alawaki was. These were just other kbad ants and come batd ants and the position of president obama is if you join in with al qaeda which is an enemy of the United States and there is a bill passed by congress, and if you join the enemy, you take your chances and if we attack al qaeda, and you get killed too bad and you cant conduct say war other wise because you cant draw those distinctions even with the act of a drone. And fred you talked about the heightened actions the white house would have to go through and what are they. The administration didnt know this particular one is what they call a signature strike. They have persistent surveillance and they can tell from pattern life and the convoys and they look for markers to understand how senior members of al qaeda is an operational leader and what kind of package of security does he have around him and so they establish that over periods of time. Certainly we know as jeff mentioned, from the administration if they know they are going to target an american citizen, there is a legal review process that goes on inside of the administration to satisfy itself they have sufficient legal basis, evidence intelligence if you will to justify the authorization of a strike. And david, there is a proposal by congressman dungeon, there could have been an exchange for him and Bowe Bergdahl and others that could have happened. Does that sound plausible to you . We just dont know. There is in fighting in government and state officials that negotiated the bergdahl deal thought they had to turn over five taliban members for one american. The idea they would give up several foreigners for one drug trafficker, it doesnt make sense. Thank you. And more on the death of freddie gray in police custody. And well take you inside of a police van. And as you know the police are saying that mr. Gray sustained his deadly injuries inside of that van. 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