Crude devices no doubt, unreliable thank goodness and not nearly as deadly as they could be. A picture of the bomb rigged to a toy car that the killers tried but failed to detonate in the Inland Regional Center where they took 14 lives. They are pieces of an ugly mosaic that could include wider ties to organized international terrorism. We may learn more when authorities brief reporters, already, though, we have learned plenty. Youre watching the last images of the killers in their suv before they are shot to death recorded by a resident down the street from where syed farook and Tashfeen Malik lived. They opened fire first. Rounds came from the back of the car from the female in the backfiring through the back of the suv at the Police Vehicles and then the male suspect who was the driver got out and fired at officers from the street, as well. Shots fired. Reporter the shootout in realtime heard over the police radio. One guy down. One guy in the back of the car. Reporter we now know farook and his wife fired close to 80 rounds. 23 officers returned fire killing the couple on the scene and today we learned they had an arsenal in the suv. They had over 1400 223 caliber rounds that were available to them and they had over 200. 9 rounds. Rifles, assault rifles and. 9 pistols with them. Reporter they would find more at the home, thousands of rifle rounds, pistol rounds, 12 pipe bombs and tools used to make ieds. Jason simmons say his mother is a neighbor. How did they seem . Like a normal family. Reporter Law Enforcement says it appears farook a u. S. Citizen was radicalized and in touch with more than one terrorisms is spect where the fbi was investigating. Its unclear if the suspects were overseas or lived in the United States. As of now, Law Enforcement is still unwilling to state a definitive motive for this mass killing. We do know a Holiday Party was underway at the Inland Regional Center yesterday when farook left under duress according to Law Enforcement. When he returned, he and his wife dressed in Tactical Gear sprayed the room with bullets and left behind a homemade bomb. The suspects when they entered fired between 65 and 75 rounds from their rifles at the scene. We did locate the one pipe bomb that was actually three pipe bombs combined into one that had a Remote Control car type Remote Control device that appears to have not worked in the case. Reporter they fled the scene in the black suv and Authorities Say a witness to the massacre identified farook that led them to his home. While police were there, the su vurks pa v passed by the house and sped off. It led to this, the end of the chase and the beginning of the larger investigation. For the why, the motivation and ties to any larger Terror Organization or ties to radical islamist ideology, no answers yet. Pamela brown has more on that. She joins me tonight. Lets talk motive behind the shooting. What have you learned and what are your sources telling you . Reporter its interesting. Officials said this is a case that does not fit neatly into a box and in many ways they are perplexed because it doesnt fit a certain m. O. They are looking whether this was an act of terrorism or workplace dispute or blend of both. What really has thrown off officials is that the fact that the suspect and his wife had an apparent bomb lab in their home to make explosives and had Tactical Gear and apparently wanted to launch an even bigger attack. These are two people that were not on the fbis radar. They did not have investigations open on them, so they basically flew into the radar of authorities despite the fact we learned today from sources that syed farook had been in touch over the years with multiple terrorism subjects the fbi had been investigating. Im told those were not high priority subjects, they were loose connections but the fbi wants to figure out if something was missed and what those communications exactly said. They are also looking at his communications and associations overseas but right now im hearing, anderson, from sources there is no clear cut motive yet. I mean, it seems odd the idea its a workplace shooting. Its rare for a workplace shooting to have more than one shooter and it to be so preplanned as this was. Wasnt the report earlier today that cnn had gotten about radicalization or potential radicalization of at least one of these killers . Reporter i will tell you in my colleague evan perez is speaking to his sources who say working theory here is that there could have been radicalization. I think there are a few factors leading them in that direction but the fact they had this cash of weapons and explosives, the fact one of them had been in touch with terrorism subjects, they are looking into the travel that syed farook had to saudi arabia. Im hearing at this point from interviews from the family, from information retrieved from electronics, there is nothing at the early stage to substantiate that but again, very early. Remember the fbi is starting from scratch because they didnt have a lot of information on these two people and youre right, it is very rare that two people would go in and launch an active shooting situation like this. Normally we see one person acting alone who is disgruntled. This is strange. Every official ive spoken to says this is not your average case. U. S. Officials and you mentioned they traveled to saudi arabia. This guy farook traveled there twice according to u. S. Officials. Is it his wifes family was living there. She was of pakistan descent but did they live in saudi arabia . Reporter thats right. They are trying to figure that out now. The u. S. Government has been in touch with saudi arabia officials trying to get information. The indications they have now is that syed farook traveled to saudi arabia in the summer of 2014. He was there for nine days and they believe during that time he met his pakistan born wife. She then came here to the u. S. On a fiancee visa, later was able to get a green card and in order to do that, anderson, she would have had to go through security screenings to get the green card and become a egg wle permanent resident. Appreciate the update. I want to bring more expertise to baer. Lets be frank, there is a lot we dont know and Law Enforcement doesnt know. Im joined by bob baer and paul cruickshank. When we spoke last night while we were covering this breaking story, you said today well hear more about terrorism and have. What do you make of the piece of the puzzle that have come to light so far . We heard some. When you look at past terrorism attacks, at this point in time we would know what is going on. Were they radicalized . They would have more of a trail. This is very strange. This whole case has been strange from the beginning and were even still to this point talking about possible Workplace Violence, which to me doesnt seem even possible. Thats particularly strange, its strange as a pure terrorism case and seems very strange as a Workplace Violence case. I dont know of many Workplace Violence incidents or School Shootings except for columbine where you had two shooters. Highpowered weapons, plan to actually do the attack and get away, i mean, this has all the classic signs of terrorists events that weve seen around the world. And to get away with more weaponry you could if they wanted to and maybe did want to commit other acts of violence. Yeah, i talked to a lot of Law Enforcement friends of mine. They weregoing togotoanother location or possibly come back. To the same location. To the same location because as you recall, the command post was being set up and they were setting up the triage. Can you imagine the chaos if they came back and started shooting and throwing pipe bombs at that location . Bob baer, what do you make of what youve heard . I think this was an act of terrorism. I dont buy the Workplace Violence. It doesnt fit bringing your wife, 6 month old baby. He hadnt been fired and i could go down the list and this isnt the nature of muslims or pakistans to shoot up a workplace. They dont do that. You look at the context of radicals, her background, the whole meeting in saudi arabia and also the tactics. Lets never forget that. They hit that place fast, faster than the police could get there. They had these pipe bombs for disengaging, they didnt know how to make bombs, pipe bombs are the worst you can imagine to use these bob, let me ask you about those bombs. Because i know you have experience with this in your past life. Those new pictures of bombs obtained by cbs news, what do you make of what youve seen . Are they combined with the Tactical Gear . Do they tell you . Well, i think they were okay on the Tactical Gear and the weapons, the ar 15s are fine but that contraption they had probablies isnt going to go off. I doubt they had practice. If you do a command detonated bomb you want people with field experience on a range and even then it has to be encoded and very dangerous, very complicated arming switches. So i dont think they had much of a chance and thats what tells me that this is probably and they may have been radicalized but all the logistics were done here and they are lucky they didnt blow themself up with the pipe bomb. When you look at the explosives, you dont see and because many didnt go off, you didnt see a level of experience with explosives which we certainly saw in paris . Well, day one the cia when i was an explosive range dont use pipe bombs. They go off. They are hard to detonate. The timers and the rest of it is what armatures use. The ones in paris on the other hand were using refrigerators, specialized detonators. Those people, the six bombs, i believe that went off were clearly experienced and knew what they were doing. They didnt detonate and went off except one, as i understand and that tells me those people had true battle field experience or at least the bomb maker did. Paul, there were three explosive devices rigged to this Remote Control car that was found at the scene of the initial shooting and the remote to that device was found in that suv. Is that kind of device a hallmark of tentany Terror Organization . Not a hallmark of one and weve seen report control cars being used before in plots and in fact, the boston bombings they use a modified Remote Control car detonator to trigger those two bombs, which caused all that carnage in boston. Weve also seen Remote Control cars themselves involved in a plot in the u. K. In 2012 where british radicals were going to drive these Remote Control cars under the gates of an army base to attack the u. K. Army in britain. Weve seen in syria rebel groups use actual Remote Control cars, not toy cars, real cars, real vehicles that they power by Remote Control into positions they want to target and they there are also reports isis has been using Remote Control cars in syria and iraq to launch attacks, as well. Variety of different terrorist groups and i dont think that gets us closer to who they may or may not been linked to. Another piece of the puzzle. Well continue the conversation, bob, paul, art throughout our coverage tonight. There are so many parts of this to get to and i want to remind you, were waiting to hear more from authorities and expecting a press conference last night when we had the press conference in this hour 24 hour ace gs ago we lot of information so stay tuned for that. Coming up next, victims widow and key evidence concerning local motivations, hostility between see yesterday Farook Farook and a coworker. Details on that next. Advil pain relievers are used by more households than any other leading brand. To treat their aches and pains more people reach for advil. Relief doesnt get any better than this. Advil. I am totally blind. And sometimes i struggle to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. This is called non24. Learn more by calling 8448242424. Or visit your24info. Com. Where their electricity comes from. They flip the switch and the light comes on. Its our job to make sure that it does. Using natural gas this power plant can produce enough energy for about 600,000 homes. Generating electricity thats cleaner and reliable, with fewer emissions it matters. Just download the free app; simple to sell anything snap a picture of your item and its instantly listed locally, free wallapop users have profiles so youll always know just who you are dealing with. Start selling with wallapop. A lot of developments on the shooting yesterday here in San Bernardino and we could be just a few minutes away from learning a lot more. Were expecting a press conference from authorities. Of course, well break in the moment that happen asks bring it to you live when they do. These press conferences told us a lot over the last 24 hours or so. Tonight we want to know the motivation, they havent said whether this was linked to radical islam or Something Else. Gary tuchman spoke to a widow of the victim that worked with one of the killers, syed farook and what she told him could be significant. Anderson, jennifer says she was in love with a man that loved god, who was born again and very blunt and open about his criticism of the muslim faith. She says when he was at work, he e van gelized to everybody about his believes and she believes farook did not like that very much. Wanted everybody else to have that same feeling and wanted to evangelize to everybody. Did he with farook . Im sure he probably talked with him and evangelized. My husband would discuss religion with anybody that would listen and the fact they were coming from two different backgrounds but as far as i know, there had been no arguments or bad feelings or anything like that prior to what happened yesterday. Youve been open to what your husband has said about muslims in the past. What has he said . Yes. Hes very upset about what isis has been doing and the radicalized muslims, al qaeda, the whole situation and his upset about the fact that the majority of the muslims, its like they wont come out and do something about it. Its like do you think he talked to farook about that . He might have. And do you have any knowledge at all from anyone you talked to if at what happened at the function yesterday with farook . No, i know supposedly there was an argument and could have been an argument with my husband, i wouldnt be surprised. So just for accuracy, she has no direct evidence that they had a confrontation or anything. She has no direct evidence that they had a confrontation or conversation about religion but she says he made a point, her husband, to talk with everyone working with the Health Department his being born again. They were together for 14 years and used to be with the Health Department in jj. They moved to california after they met on the internet. They were on a chat group, beauty and the beast chat group from that show and they wanted to have a love like love on beauty and the beast and he moved to california and the rest is history. Thank you very much. Again, a geepress conferenc coming shortly. Well bring that to you. Our panel of experts will listen and available to lend their insight. Speaking of which, i want to continue the conversation with bob baer and art roderick and were monitoring the press conference and will bring it live. We may have to jump in with any of our guests. The fbi have have been coming through the mothers house but you said by now there should be more information in the pipeline. Yeah, kind of leads me to believe they possibly, i mean, there have been some unconfirmed reports they might have tried to destroy hard drives and paperwork they had. It is just as unusual, either the fbi knows and arent telling us or dont have a lot of information. Do you have a sense how long it takes if information is wiped off to go back on servers and retrieve that . That could take a period of time. That would have to be sent to the cyber lab to have that done. So thats going to take a little time to be able to retrieve all that information, if they tried to wipe it from the hard drive. And text messages, anything, communication like that is something they look at. Bob, cnn is told by sources farook was communicating with terrorism suspects from the fbi investigating but farook was not known to the fbi. How far does the monitoring of potential suspects or subjects and the people they communicate with go . I mean, is that sort of a blind spot for intelligence officials . Its a blind spot in the sense that they are monitoring tens and thousands of people in the United States and some of them they have surveillance on, some they have warrants on, listen to the phones but they have to express, you know, they are moving toward an act. Moving toward violence before they can really get on their cases and knock on their doors and search the houses. If somebody sympathizes with the so sunnies in iraq or syria, talk about jihads, it could mean working hard, it means struggle in arabic. Unless the fbi seen it, one of these people moving toward an action, as i said, they cant do anything. So i dont think this is an intelligence failure because they got everybody possibly covered. If he had had encrypted communications and the rest of it were talking about Something Else but even at that point, the fbi wouldnt necessarily suspect him and this has been the fear of the fbi from the beginning. Its people would move to violence that were completely off the radar. Fbi agents, Law Enforcement officers told me over and over again its what they cant see that scares them and this nightmare has come true. And paul, i mean, what is so scary is someone doesnt need to have even been