Yes, john. Syed rizwan farook, and someone else may have been plotting an earlier attack in california according to two u. S. Officials that we have been speaking with, and the two conspired back in 2012 and specific target was even considered. They e scoped out the area, and picked out a target, but neither of the officials could say how serious the plotting got, and how far along they were in launching the attack. The two decided not the go through with it after a round of terrorrelated arrests in that area sayinging they were spooked at the time, and this is bolstering the belief, john, that Law Enforcement has been saying publicly that farook was radicalized for a period of time before the San Bernardino attacks, and we are also learning from officials that the two, that farook and his friend had been conspiring to do bad thing, and that is a direct quote from the officials, and they have discovered the extent of the plans following the San Bernardino attacks as we have been hearing, john, and farook was not on the radar of Law Enforcement, and so this is something that they are going back to look at, and look, did we miss something along the way. Sglon another attack with another person on a different target back in 2012. Any word on who this other person is . Is this someone that the fbi has spoken to . This is somebody someone that the fbi has spoken to, but we should point out that no other arrests have been made in the case. And what is interesting here, john, this is before, and this is 2012 before isis had established the caliphate, and we have been reported that it is believed that both of them, the husband and the wife, Tashfeen Malik and Syed Rizwan Farook were radicalized before isis establish established the caliphate, and that he was radicalized and planned another attack, and as a justice correspondent, i cover several cases where the people talk about things all of the time, and they want to do thing, and launch an attack here or there, but it is again unclear how far they were in the planning stage, but it is alarming nonetheless, and especially considering what my colleague evan perez is saying that farook had guns at the time. He was given guns in 2011 and 2012 around the time that they had picked out this target, and apparently they were planning to launch an attack. John . Pamela stay with us, because i want to bring in special fbi Counter Terrorism agent tim ka len ti, and the fact that farook had planned an earlier attack, and how does a guy like this stay the off of the radar . Well, john, it is unfortunately, only that attack that put him on the radar in the last couple of weeks, so the fact that he was owning weapons and planning an attack is not something that is indicative of his personalty that others would see s and whatever this friend or associate is, and that is important to find out, and as we are seeing in the case of him marrying malik, and those two and the pillow talk could have been discussing and conducting the attack, and maybe it is her who gave him the spine to go through with an attack. Tim. All of the sudden and without a substantial step, john. And i was going to be saying that for the first time we are hearing about another person that farook had been planning this attack in 2012. We dont know how far they got or if it is just discussions, but the existence of the other person that farook had discussions with, this has to be an intelligence gold mine for the investigators. Yes, the atf and everybody is combing through the electronic life, and everything else. And there are communications that date back to the time period three years ago that are revealing right now, which contemporaneously to others around him may not have meant much, but looking back, i am sure that there are associates who are saying, yeah, he was spending time with this guy, and think were doing things in the garage or going out to the gun range together, so we will be seeing more and more reveal and this subject is going to be coming to light soon i am sure. And a pamela any more details on the nature of the fbi contacts with this associate, with this friend as you put it that farook had been planning this attack with . Well, this is someone that farook had known for year, and we know that the fbi has interviewed more than 300 people, and this person is one of the 300 people or so that they have talked to, and they are interested in and continue to talk to this person. But, you know, if the that i have the probable cause, and enou evidence to back up the arrest, and this is still active case, john, and there are only five or six days into it, and so there could be a lot of developments in thep coming in the coming days, and this is information coming to light from the San Bernardino attacks that is very interesting to investigators this time of 2012 e predates his meeting the wife, and predates the existence and the e creation of isis, and this islamic state, and it was around many other forms, but it was not declared until last year essentially, but you have new information as well about the couple, this terrorist couple pledging allegiance to isis. That is right. So we are have been report, and cnn was first to report that the wife Tashfeen Malik had posted on the Facebook Page associated with her just before the attack, and so we are learning more about the post. She basically said that we pledge of allegiance and then went on the say pledge of allegiance to khalifa Al Al Baghdadi and it says we so presumably the both of them in this together, and they were both pledging allegiance to al baghdadi, but also, a lot of misspelling which is garbled, and which is to officials, it is strange, because if you had it planned out and thought to it, you would leave more than a garbled Facebook Page. And in the the past, people will leave videos or a manifesto, but this is seemingly the only thing they left behind to pledge their allegiance to isis before the attac attack. And i want to go over to investigator chris shwecker, and this is a new information we are getting but a sizable attack in 2012 with a different person, and now what does this do for the investigation . Well, it is looking more and more that it was a very experienced terrorist here who had been radicalized well before we thought. In 2012 isis did not exist as you pointed out, but isis did scoop up a number of al qaedas followers and suborganizations, so he could have been radicalized for a while and looking for the bride. Again, it is looking like his wife was a contributor, but maybe not the catalyst as we thought before. And it is certainly calling into question the time line of when they met and whether he was seeking somebody with similar views and people were saying was it the wife who radicalized him, and no sh, if he had been plott an attack the years before he reached out to this woman. True . True. This whole case is it is featuring quite a few interesting loopholes here. A loophole in financing. The nontraditional target if you wi will. A lot of the things in this case are going to be studied in the future, or the visa waiver program, and the fiancee exception if you will, where you can go to the terrorist breeding ground and find yourself a mail order bride and thibring them b to the states quite easily, and it is going to be studied for a while, because it has everything. And the tim, you were saying it is providing years for them, and that i have to look back because if it was at a was an attack that was in 2012 not only the new friend appearing on the scene, but both of those men have been coming in contact for the last three years. Yes, they have to dig deep and not just malik and farooks arelationship, but predating it by not the period of time we are talking about 2012 or 2013, but we have to the go back a long time to look at the support structure for this man when he came to america, and was this job in advance planned, and as the investigator said, this is going to be in investigation for the next several years, i am sure. And pamela brown, excellent are reporting. Appreciate it. And now, late details on the latest aspect of the details that we are working to bring it to you ahead in the hour. And next, will donald trump back off of his plan to keep any and all muslims out of the United States. And he has been taking the heat from all sides and with the chance to back down, we will see if he took it. And i didnt get here alone. There were people who listened along the way. People who gave me options. Kept me on track. And through it all, my retirement never got left behind. 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They knocked down the World Trade Center and tried to do it twice, and other things have happened and they have a lot of o, and people who have tremendously bad intentions, and we have the be tough, and we have to smart, and we have to be vigilant. What is short term . It could be quickly if our country gets the act together. But we have a president who does not have a clue. We need toughness and smartness and we have to do it quickly. And there are many even in your own party who believe that e isis is going to be liking your rhetoric, that your words are putting us in greater danger . And the worst thing that has ever happened to isis, and the people in my party fully understand it. And donald trump not backing down which means there is more fa fallout, and more ramification, and more implications for trump the candidate for the party, and for who as they are as as a Political Force and for who we are as a country. One thing it will not mean if history is any guide. It will not mean a dip for him in the polls. More on that from rap ndi kaye. Reporter remember when donald trump first started his run for president , he made this comment, remember it . Are the they are bringing crime, and they are bringing dr drugs, and they are rapists reporter the blowback was huge, and major corporations breaking ties women h and political insiders saying that he was a doomed candidate, but they were wrong. Are the trump jumped to second place, and it quickly became clear that he was just getting started. In july he said this about senator john mccain, a former p. O. W. He is not a war here roar. Sgle this is a war e hee roar. He is a war hero. And he is a war hero, but he was captured. And he is a war hero because he was captured. And i like people who werent captured. And he took a hit dropping six points to 18 support in a cnn orc poll, but still, he held on to the top spot among all of the republican candidates, and the numbers quickly repounded. The next month, trump had women up in arms with this bizarre debate about megyn kelly. And she starts to ask me all kinds of ridiculous questions and there was blood coming out of her eyes, out of her wherever ment. And trump denied that he was refering to menstruation. And supports believed him because he held steady before and after the remarks according to fox news polls. In september, mr. Trump made disparaging comments about carry fiorina, his only female opponent, and telling Rolling Stone magazine, look at that face . Would you vote for that . Can you imagine that being the face of our next president . And then he dropped six points after that, but he was still in the lead. While we still dont know yet how Donald Trumps call to ban muslims from entering the u. S. Will play out, we know what happened after the paris attacks when trump told msnbc he would strongly consider shutting down the mosques. Some of the absolute hatred is coming from these areas, and the hatred is incredible, and emb embedded. The hatred is beyond belief. And the hatred is greater than anybody understands. And he escaped unscathed and again the defying convention aal wisdom and jumping in the polls by four points according to a fox news poll, and eight points in a Washington Post poll. Randi kaye, cnn, new york. And so, where will this take his party and the country . Some asked if the language, the persona and this prez sentationf trump out and out fascism . In a recent column in the new york times, that was taken up, and he is called and a a celebration of inmasculinity, and fear of difference of outsiders, a pitch to the frustrations of the lower middleclass, and intense nationalism, and resentment of elitism, and fascism, and does that sound like trump . Well, yes, it does. But, they do say that donald trump is not a true fascist, but the campaign could turn into something close to it. And now, joining us is jeffrey lord who served as white house political director in the reagan a administration, and now, i want to start with you, ross after that dramatic read into your article, jeffrey toobin. You are hired. You read it well. And you are saying that donald trump could be a fascist or protothe typical to it. And today, we saw paul ryan, the senior republican in congress condemn the statemens s of banning muslims in the United States from trump, but he would not rule out voting for him. The problem for republicans is that if they say that trump is a fascist, it does not get them anywhere, because the reality is that trump is tilting in the direction, but also succeeding, because he is speaking to the peoples valid and legitimate reasonable fears. The trick for republicans is to be able to say on the one hand, you know, trump has gone too far, and this is outrageous and unamerican, but this is what we will do about immigration, terrorism, and eisis that is going to make you trust us again, and they have not found a way to do that, but they have been swinging back and forth between being outraged at trump and rightly so in many case, but never addressing the deeper concerns motivating the trump voters, and this is the core reality, and this is where i tried to end the column. You cant beat a protofascist by saying that you sound like a fascist, because the only way do it is to address the grievances that are motivating the supporters and driving the campaign. Jeffrey lord, do you believe that donald trump is a protofascist and sounds like a fascist . I think it is silly and of course not. I did work for Ronald Reagan and Ronald Reagan was frequently accused of being a fascist, so we have been here and done that when there is a candidate who comes along from outside of the reg regular political arena who is not part of the political elite as it were, and he is subject to, he or she can be subject to all kinds of charges and as i say, Ronald Reagan was certainly accu accused of this, and donald trump is accused of this, and it is silly. But ross has a point though, that are there is an incredible gulf between the base of the Republican Party and the quote, unquote political elites, and i mean, it is just amazing to me that they are continually out there trying the to insult the people they are asking to vote for them. Instead of listening and paying attention to the very real concerns about whether it is terrorism or the economy or what have you. It is a not a good recipe for success. Jeffrey toobin, do you think that donald trump knows what he is doing here . Do you think that he knows the strings he is pulling and the buttons he is pushing . Yes. And i dont know whether he is a fascist or not, but i know that we are talking about proposals that are without precedent in American History and the idea that you could take a religion and say that all of the people in that religion cannot come back into the United States even if they are american citizens, nothing remotely like that has ever been proposed as far as i know at least in respectable company in American History, and it is clearly unconstitutional and it is not going to happen, but it is indicative of how far donald trump has gone from what is normally considered reasonable politics. Is it unconstitutional and never going to happen, and no legal basis for banning all muslims . 90 if it ever got to the supreme court. And e jeffrey is the legal analyst and im not, but the reality is that the u. S. Has had exclusionary immigration policies at a many times in the past, and we had something called the chinese exclusion act in the 19th century, and immigration policies raced on the racial and the ethnic quotas, and i agree that the proposal is deplorable, but i am not so sure it is unconstitutional, but it is more of an open question there. And i would have to say, that i would bow to jeffrey on this, but didnt know that if you were not an american citizen and you were outside of the country a that you a constitutional right to come into the country . The propostal as i understand it, and i appreciate your bowing to me. It is for not [ laughter ] it is not just for nonit is zerngs but citizens as well. It is muslims. Noncitizens but it citizens well. And people have freedom to associate with other people. And it is not outside of the country but ross, he is talking about a religious test for each and every human being that does enter into the United States. Ross, as a conservative column, and writes about the party and thinks an awful lot about the Republican Party, can you believe that there is a discussion right now within the are Republican Party to apply a religious test to every human coming into the u. S. . Well w well, there is not really a discussion. Well hsh,