6 welcome to another hour of 360. A lot was said by the military today. Both president ial candidates faced an audience of Military Members. Hillary clinton and donald trump took questions at a forum here in new york city, mod rated by mat lauer of nbc news. They were asked questions about everything from Fighting Isis to what should be done with ptsd to Sexual Assault in the military. We will bring you some of what things. Lets get started with some of the highlights from the hour. When people like me press you for details like that gentleman just said on what your plan is, you very often say im not going to give you the details because i want to be unpredictable. Absolutely, the word is unpredictable. But yesterday you actually told us a little bit about your plan in your speech. You said this, quote, were going to convene my top generals, and they will have 30 days to submit a plan for soundly and quickly defeating isis. So is the plan youve been hiding this whole time asking someone else for their plan . No, but when i do come up with a plan that i like and that perhaps agrees with my or maybe doesnt, i may love what the generals come back with. It will convene but you have your own plan . I have a plan, but i dont want to look, i have a very substantial chance of winning, make America Great again, were going to make America Great again. I have a substantial chance of winning. If i win, i dont want to broadcast to the enemy what my plan is. If i like maybe a combination of my plan and the generals plan or the generals plan, if i like their plan, matt, im not going to call you up and say, matt, we have a great plan. This is what obama does, were going to leave iraq on a certain date. But youre going to convene a panel of generals and you said you know more about the isis than those generals. They probably will be different generals, to be honest with you. When youre commanderinchief you can spark a conflict, destabilize a region, put american lives at risk. Can we afford to take that risk with you . Absolutely. I think if you saw what happened in mexico the other day where i went there, i had great relationships, everything else. I let them know where the United States stands. Weve been badly hurt by mexico on the border and with taking all of our jobs, a big percentage of our jobs. If you look at what happened, look at the aftermath today where the people that arranged the trip in mexico have been forced out of government. Thats how well we did. Back in august and thats how well we have to do. Back in august when you admitted you regret some of the things you said, you also said this. I can promise you this, i will always tell you the truth. Thats true. So let me read some of the things you said. I know more about isis than the generals do, believe me. Was that the truth . Well, the generals under barak obama and Hillary Clinton have not been successful. Do you more about isis than they do . I think under the leadership of barak obama and Hillary Clinton the generals have been reduced to rubble. Theyve been reduced to a point it is embarrassing for our country. We have to defeat isis, that is my highest Counter Terrorism goal, and weve got to do it. What our experts said to do. And i was very, very surprised. In almost every instance, and i could tell, i have pretty good with the Body Language. I could tell they were not happy. Our leaders did not follow what they were recommending. What do you make of that . What he is talking about is as a president ial candidate at this stage you start to get the classified, a version of the classified briefings that the president of the naets get. These are called president ial daily briefings. Trump has gotten two of them. First of all, i have never seen a candidate for the presidency making use, making political hay of that, taking advantage of the fact that they have been given these classified briefings and drawing a political conclusion that the president or the Secretary Of State did not follow advice. Secondly, you can read these briefings because the cia actually just declassified a couple of weeks ago all of the president ial daily briefings, i think most from the nixon and ford administration. They are not in the form of any kind of advice to the president. Theyre sort of telling you what is happening in various companies. Theres no policy recommendation. In fact, the Intelligence Community tries very hard to be neutral in that respect, not to suggest policy. That is the job of the other agencies and the white house. So, first of all, he is doing something that strikes me as deeply dishonorable in making use of the classified briefings to advance his political course. Secondly, as i said simply, he is being untruthful in terms of how he is characterizing the briefings. The briefings are intelligence. Theyre not policy conclusions. It is remarkable that he would say that. Chairman rogers . Well, i mean i disagree. Again, im somebody that had access to all of that as chairman. I think what you see happening is in those analytical products, when the intelligence folks show up, they provide their opinion based on their analytical product and information collected on what the situation on the ground is. And i agree, they never come out and say, we think you should do this. Thats not their place, they shouldnt do it. I think what he was getting at, and i dont know, i wasnt part of those briefings, is the nakt that intelligence was talking about the growth of isis over a period of time. At least from my understanding from public reports is that thats the portion that was covered in that first briefing extensively, is isis and its formation and how it developed and all of those things. So you could walk away from a briefing by the way, i walked away from many of the briefings when i was chairman and said, hey, the administrations policy is not jiving with what the Intelligence Services are say is happening on the ground. I saw that personally as chairman. I dont know, but im guessing thats probably what he is talking about when he says they werent listening to each other. Im not exactly sure how he said that, but i think thats what he was saying. I would recommend that viewers, it is easily to get these declassified president ial briefings from the past. Take a look at them and you will see, as mike rogers say, the Intelligence Community is scrupulous about not recommending policy action. They are simply telling you what is happening on the ground. I want to play something trump said about the generals and talk to our two retired military folks. When people like me press you for details like that gentleman just said on what your plan is, you very often say, im not going to give you the details because i want to be unpredictable. Absolutely, the word is unpredictable. But yesterday you actually told us a little bit about your plan in your speech. You said this, quote, were going to convene my top generals, and they will have 30 days to submit a plan for soundly and quickly defeating isis. So is the plan youve been hiding this whole time asking someone else for their plan . No. But when i do come up with a plan that i like and that perhaps agrees with my or maybe doesnt, i may love what the generals come back with. I will you have your own plan . I have a plan, but i dont want look, i have a very substantial chance of winning, make America Great again. Were going to make America Great again. I have a substantial chance of winning. If i win, i dont want to broadcast to the enemy exactly what my plan is. Let me tell you, if i like maybe a combination of my plan and the generals plan or the general plan, if i like their plan im not going to call you and say, matt, we have a great plan. This is what obama does, were going to leave iraq on a certain date. But youre going to convene a panel of generals, and you said you mo know more about isis than the generals. They probably will be different generals, to be honest with you. When you hear a candidate saying they know more about isis than the generals, i assume generals who have been, you know, focused on Fighting Isis now for quite some time, like yourself who worked in iraq for a long, long time, does that concern you that somebody would serve for somebody who believes they know more than those who have been studying an issue closely . It does. Anderson, we have a very strong history of civilian control of the military in United States. It is one of the things that makes us very different. So we adjust what we do based on some things that the political masters want us to do, but having said that we always give Strong Military advice at the level of the president , at the strategic level. But it takes a very long time to build a general. Theres years of schooling, years of experience, years of operational experience, dealing with soldiers, knowing what soldiers can do, training, exercises and education. To have an individual who has never done any of those things suggest that he knows more about plans, im not even sure in trump would know a war plan or a Contingency Plan if he saw it. Now, certainly a civilian master will say, hey, we want to look at the assumptions a little bit differently, or this is the end state i want to achieve. Then it is the job of the generals to give them that as best as they can within a feasibility and validity approach. But to have someone who is a businessman, who has not studied the science and art of war suddenly say, i know more about the generals, it is Flaber Gassing to me. Colonel, in terms of what you said tonight, what concerned you or do you like . Think, anderson, one of the big issues we have is the fact we see an evolving nature in trumps ability to handle National Security issues. And in this particular case when you pick the trump aspect of things, you look at something that is a bit different from what he said at the very beginning. So the idea of having a plan and bringing it together with one that is developed independently perhaps by generals in the pentagon, that has some merit to it actually and it could be used as a way to determine what is the best way forward. So it is perhaps, it is an attempt to be a little more collegial in his approach to the pentagon. As far as secretary clintons points are concerned, i thought it was very interesting she seemed to be very much staythecourse kind of a presentation. Both candidates say they want to defeat isis, but it becomes very clear if that happens in under president obamas watch it is going to be a very different strategic environment for them, and i dont know if theyve thought about that challenge for their respective campaigns. I mean in terms of what you heard tonight, i mean to have both candidates focused on this, it is as close as weve gotten to a debate between these two so far. Yeah, i mean i thought we got kind of a preview of what the atmosphere and some of the questioning will be at a debate. Apparently, looking at some of the reporting from our very own dan merricka, he is saying the Clinton Campaign is not happy with what went down tonight in terms of the timing of it. I guess each candidate got like 30 minutes. A lot of her time was spent on iraq, a lot was spent on email as well. They feel like matt lauer kind of dropped the ball in terms of followup and fact checking. Listen, this is what a debate is like, and moderators they werent on the stage at the same time though. Exactly, but often moderators take a different tack in terms of how they engage with the candidates and whether or not they feel they want to fact check in realtime. We have to take a quick break. We will have more with the panel ahead and more on the discussion between the two candidates tonight. We will be right back. Those new glasses . They are. Do i look smarter . Yeah, a little. Youre making money now, are you investing . Well, ive been doing some research. Let me introduce you to our broker. How much does he charge . I dont know. Okay. Uh, do you get your fees back if youre not happy . dad laughs wow, youre laughing. Thats not the way the world works. Well, the worlds changing. Are you asking enough questions about the way your wealth is managed . Wealth management, at charles schwab. Afoot and lighthearted i take to the open road. Healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. The east and the west are mine. The north and the south are mine. All seems beautiful to me. Donald trump and Hillary Clinton took messages to military tonight at a forum in new york a short time ago. Both candidates took questions from former and current Military Members about why they should be commanderinchief. About getting intelligence briefings, he has had two. Here is some of the exchange. Did you learn anything in the briefings, not going into specifics, that makes you reconsider some of the things you say you can accomplish like defeating isis . No, what i did learn is that our leadership, boem, did not follow what our experts and our when they call it intelligence, it is there for a reason, what our experts said to do. How i was very, very surprised, in almost every instance. I am pretty good with the Body Language. I could tell they were not happy. Our leaders did not follow what they were recommending. Joining me now, cnn pent gom correspondent barbara starr, the comments about the briefings, what are you learning about them tonight . Those are extraordinary. That the president did not follow what the Intelligence Community was recommending is something that trump would not have been told in one of these intelligence briefings. He would have been given analysis of problems like iraq, russia, iran, syria. We know this over the last several weeks, have talked directly to experts in the Intelligence Community who know how these briefings were set up, know how they were going to work. They are about analysis. Theyre not about recommendations, they are from some of the most senior professional Civilian Career people in the Intelligence Community, not about politics at all. So i think it remains to be seen, perhaps most chair takably, what exactly in trump thought he was hearing, what he thought the Body Language was. Very clearly he was not told the Intelligence Community recommendations, that would not have happened. I think the other really fascinating point that he made is he talked about the generals very broadly, being in his words reduced to rubble. Those are shocking words. In all of the years i have covered the military i have never heard anybody talk about generals being reduced to rubble. He perhaps might have been referring to the fact theres a very strong white house National Security process that the military obeys the political leadership, but reduced to rubble, who are the generals he is talking about . Look, these guys, these days they are mainly combat veterans. They have been in iraq, they have been in afghanistan, they have buried their young troops in cemeteries across the country. These are generals who know the business of war. Trump went on to talk about he might decide to work with other generals. So i think hes really putting a line out there that if he is elected he is going to have to deal with. He would be coming into a u. S. Military structure, he says that he respects, but the General Officer corps right now he appears at least to have a big problem with. Anderson. Barbara starr, thank you very much. Back with the panel. It was interesting to hear him kind of go full bore on this thing, on the generals in general, im not sure who he was talking about or if he knows specific generals he was talking about. This is a perfect illustration of what sometimes frustrates me in our discussions about trump. We try to analyze, and barbara did a wonderful job of trying to make sense of a stray comment he makes here. My guess is, frankly, he doesnt know what he is talking about. I think it is very unlikely he had any thoughtthrough idea. You know, rapid fire format, matt lauer puts a question to him, he gets flummoxed so he comes back with something. I think it is nonsensical. Obamas first National Security adviser was a general. Obama has promoted lots of generals, he listens to them all the time. Theres no great dissatisfaction, you know, theyve not been reduced to rubble. Theres no way to understand this other than to think he is winging it as he does with so many of these things, and then we in the media have to sit and try to pretend it is a carefully reasoned piece of analysis drawn on years of thoughtful, you know, analysis of the situation. I think it was something he said off the seat of his pants. Barbara is right, it kind of doesnt make sense and we have to admit it. Chairman rogers, does it make sense to you that generals have been reduce todd rubble . I think you are arguing about the color of his words, and probably not the words i would have chosen clearly, but when you look at the path i think what donald trump is trying to encapsulate there is the fact that he didnt listen to his generals in iraq. He didnt listen to his intelligence officials in iraq on the pullout. Everyone advised he shouldnt do it. I think what he is trying to say is you cant walk into a general and say, here are the ten things you cant do, and, oh, by the way, the things you are asking for, im going to give you half of it. What happens is and, trust me, those officers were pretty vocal when you put them in places like the Intelligence Community and ask them their opinion about how difficult it was to accomplish their mission. Listen, they werent political, they werent trying to say theyre republicans or democrats, theyre saying if you want me to beat ice igs, to stabilize iraq, you cant pull us out summarily. They didnt listen to him. He didnt listen to the