So what have you learned . Reporter well, anderson, u. S. Officials tell cnn that last year the u. S. Intelligence used a dossier as part of a justification to get a warrant to secretly monitor carl as one of the sources of information that the bureau has used to defend or to support its investigation. This includes approval from the secret court that oversees the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act known as fisa, to monitor pages communications. The fbi and the Justice Department would have had to present probable cause that he was acting as an agent of a foreign power, mobile engaging in foreign intelligence gathering for a foreign government. Comey and other fbi officials would have had to sign off on
russian spies. Pai page denies he knew these were russian agents. Page says he took a trip independently, that he expressed his own views and overall, he has disputed anything was illegal in his interactions with the russians. He sent us a statement that reads in part, i look forward to the privacy act lawsuit that i plan to file in response to the civil Rights Violations by Obama Administration appointees last year. The Discovery Process will be of great value to the United States as our nation hears testimony from them under oath and We Zee Disclosure of the documents. Pa should also point out carter page when i interviewed him said he did get permission from the Trump Campaign, he didnt mention who he got permission
from to travel to moscow and give that speech and he also met with several people. Joining us to talk about it is our panel. Philadelph phil, lets start with you, youve been with the fbi, youve been with the fisa courts, what did the fbi have on trump besides this dossier . I dont think this takes us a great deal forward, if youre going to go to a fisa court, that judge is going to youre going to go in with intercepts, directly from the russians with the National Security agency would have picked up. You might have even sources, i want someone who i can identify whos directly in contact with you. If you contrast that with what we have here, a former british officer has an informant in moscow, maybe with a sub
informant, passing that information up to the fbi, thats a game of phone that goes three or four links down the chain, the court is not going to look at that and the department of justice would not look at that as an important source of information in this case. What it means is that the fbi had a number of things they could present to the judge, this unverified dossier was a minor part of it perhaps. Knowing what we know about the fisa court and how, any judge, these are serious judges that push back pretty hard when you come to them with a warrant. It suggests to me they either had corroborating information from that information in the dossier, or they had something that lent it credence. And phil you agree with that . Absolutely. If youve got a department of justice attorney, hes got a reputation for years in the fisa
court. He doesnt want to have the judge to say get out of here and then go in tomorrow a. We do know from other reporting that the fbi has looked into the allegations in that dossier and did confirm some stuff and not other stuff. Maybe that was part of that process. In order to obtain a fisa warrant in the first place, the fbi would have had to present probable cause that carter page was participating in intelligence gathering for a foreign government, right . The fisa court rarely turns down his applications, its less than 1 . Its not probable cause like we state in the constitution, the Fourth Amendment of probable cause of a crime, its probable cause that you could be a foreign agent. Its a standard thats easy to meet. I certainly agree that this
would not do that. This is a city quite frankly that is awash in russian money, theres so much russian money on capitol hill with both democratic and republican operatives and surprising the ruble isnt accepted at mcdonalds. Theres a lot of russian and chinese money in this city. So when i read in report, it doesnt distinguish him in terms of potential criminal conduct, was he an agent of russia or was he perhaps a convenient conduit to the Trump Campaign. These are questions that are not answered by this evidence. Your point is a good one, is there still a live torpedo in the water thats not in this dossier. It is interesting that part of the problem for the Trump Administration is donald trump himself did Say Carter Page was one of his five National Security advisors early on at a
time when he was under pressure to name somebody. You would think if there had actually been some vetting, maybe they would have rethought naming him, but clearly, it points to just the kind of, i dont know if chaos is the right word that was in the Transition Team at the time, they were just desperate. If you remember, most of the National SecurityCommunity Came out against him and wrote a Letter Saying that they, you know, not only were they not endorsing him, they were coming out to oppose him, so he had this hodgepodge of a few people, and its unclear how instrumental they really were to the campaign. The Trump Campaign says he wasnt that instrumental, he was a volunteer, he wasnt someone who was actually paid on the campaign. But the thing about the dossier, the only part of the dossier thats relevant would be the allegation that he was there on behalf of the trump
administration, having conversations, quid pro quo conversations about sanctions and business opportunities. So if its brought up in any context, does it suggest that the court bought that . It suggests to me, as anderson was saying earlier, that the fbi had something before hand that led director comey, after the embarrassment of the admission on Hillary Clinton, to come out again, as the fbi never does, and say they had a case open. They had their own independent investigation, and came out and said maybe theres a bit or two here, but it was not the primary source. But it may not have been the primary source, but assuming they included it in the fisa package. If carter page, we know according to carter page, he says the Trump Campaign cleared it for him to go to moscow, it was very possible that page was
bragging in moscow, saying he had been in meetings with donald trump, he was using the russian term for the word meeting, and the rally that thousands of people were in that we all saw on television. But he never actually met with the president. But isnt this just a case of a guy who was in the campaign, but he wasnt essential, just kind of bragging in moscow about his connections to the campaign . You know, i dont think it does. And let me a name that occurred to me tonight, and of course the other side of the story is that youve got people on the republican side saying that the Obama Administration was spying on the Trump Campaign. Believe it or not, the name that flashed into my head tonight was james mccord, and for those who dont remember the name, james mccord was one of the original watergate burglars, after his conviction, he was a minor figure as it were. He sent a letter to the judge saying he was pressured to do a, b, and c and it eventually led to the resignation of president nixon. In this case, carter page is coming forward with a lawsuit which he has said tonight hes going to definitely pursue, if you think as a number of republicans do, that there is a conspiracy, was a conspiracy of the Obama Administration to look into this part of carter pages lawsuit is that he is claiming hate crimes against him saying that the Hillary Clinton campaign was against him because he was a man. We dont know if he has attorneys or can afford attorneys. I grant you all that, im saying that once you start that actually, thats not much of a threat, when i read that statement, hes going to run smack dab into military and state secrets privilege, ive
litigated that painfully over the years. Its not like a civil case where you can go into discovery and find out who said what to who in an office. All of this is coming out of the most secret court, in some of the most classified areas of the governments, hes going to hit the state secrets privilege. Hes going to find it very hard to get information. One of the things interesting about carter page is that he is desperately now trying to reposition himself as a victim, as a traitor, not as someone whos committing treason doing bizarre stuff, but hes a hero of american privacy, hes somehow going to go out here and expose all these terrible things that have happened. The problem is that this particular move makes no sense. If in fact the Obama Administration was going to spy on these people, shouldnt they have said something before the election . The part of the story that they continue to spin that makes no sense is, why would the obama
administration go to all this trouble to spy on this campaign, to violate their privacy, do all these terrible things and then just say nothing until donald trump won . The whole thing is bizarre. The independent commission, lets get to the bottom of it. To wax tom cruise, i want the truth. I can handle the truth. Where do you see this going . Look, jeffrey has a good point about an independent commission which could get this all out on the table and i think the senate and house are going to go their best to get some of these facts. Those who dont want an independent commission say it just takes too long, you got to get people clear, you got to get them read up, this is going to take months to go through. I just read an article in new yorker. Com that the three witnesses on the democratic witness list thats been agreed to with the republicans in theory at least, carter page,
roger stone and paul manafort, so we are going to hear from carter page susan rice . What i reported is all names on the republican list are obama officials, all the names on the democratic list are Trump Campaign officials who are related to the russian hacking campaign. So the rudemocrats want to investigate putins intelligence service, the republicans want to investigate obamas intelligence service. Well bring you the latest up to date in just a moment. Also how a Carrier Battle Group which was meant to sent a message to north korea, instead wound up heading south, literally heading south. Details ahead. de p breath Phone Ringing
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that started giving republicans pause and concern about this race. We expected him to have this early lead. I would not read much more into it than that. His number is going to come down, it is likely that the republicans did a bit better perhaps on election day voting. Well see as the night goes on as more numbers come in. We talked about this yesterday, Newt Gingrich held this district for 30 years, trump won it by 1 percentage point. This is a district that republicans salivate over, because they think this is precisely the kind of distribute they can flip in 2018 and maybe take back control of the house. And you look at this district that david was talking about, its more diverse, its higher educated, its wealthier, and its younger. And all of those things put together are a nice target for the democrats. I mean having said that, they have a young, inexperienced and unexciting candidate here, but
whos got 8 million 8 million million of mostly outside money behind him because they also know how symbolic this would be, of course if they were to win. It does say a lot about the fact that President Trump has taken a personal interest in the election, just tonight he tweeted, just learned that jon ossoff doesnt even live in the district, republicans get out and vote. Hes also aware of how a loss could work. He probably just learned that since the National CongressionalCampaign Committee have been pushing that back for a long time. But you are right, it look like donald trump is placing a bet here that Oss Orks Oroff is goi come just below and he can come out and say, hey, republicans, i helped keep him under 50 , lets
go to the runoff now, i can help you win that as well. No one has to tell donald trump that this is really about him. And he believes its about him and in many ways it is about him. Because this is high profile, its a district that he really won by just 1 . Hillary clinton won in that district, it was the first time a democrat won that district since jimmy carter. So, you know, i do think that he understands that everybodys going to extrapolate here. He does, but i think also, jon ossoff the democrat, as much as he has raised money like you said on that democratic fervor, on that democratic energy, hes campaigning heavily because its a heavily republican district. Hes careful not to do all frump bashing, some of his advertising definitely geared toward trump bashing to make his base enthusiastic. But much of it is about cut
wasteful spending, get government working again, a message that has nothing to do with donald trump. And the hss secretary who theyre trying to replace won by 62 of the vote. Hes got to walk a really fine line here as do the republican candidate. Do we have a sense of when we might know the results here . Thats a great question, as soon as they count them is really the answer. My sense is were starting to see them trickle in now, my sense is over the next hour and a half or so, we will probably see where this is going, and remember, we may know that its headed to a runoff, lets say, before we know necessarily who the republican candidate might be. So there are different pieces of tonight. The first threshold is does jon ossoff look like hes going to be below 50 , and if so, who does he face in the runoff . Where in the world is the
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