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CNNW Anderson Cooper 360 July 21, 2017

Impression the president doesnt understa understand or willfully disregards. They are not his personal lawyers. Thats right check put it more bluntly. He cant be a wing man for a president. Hes got to be very independent. And work for the people of the country. Over on the house side republicans also voicing concerns. Heres what idaho gop congressman said. Quote i dont pay any attention because i dont care. Theyre a distraction. The family is a distraction, the president is a distraction. At first this is the guy we elected. Hell learn. Not from republicans are a president some see as treating the white house as his personal domain and the presidency not as bigger than himself but strictly solely about himself. No one but himself. That has never worked for any white house or any president. More now from jeff zeleny whos on the north lawn. How does the white house explain the president s comments that then if he does in fact have full confidence in the attorney general. The white house once again today was struggling to explain the comments. Once again in this position of trying to explain something they werent really planning for. This week was not designed to be talking about this but the president essentially went off yesterday speaking something that had been talked about privately in this town for a long time, that he was frustrated with jeff sessions. But that boiled over. At the Daily White House press briefing today in talking to Administration Officials throughout the day they said the president is disappointed in the attorney general for recusing himself. He was furious at the time. Back in march. And that was only intensified over these several months as the investigation has intensified. But anderson, talking to employees Administration Officials throughout the government here at the white house, they were jarred by this. Largely because this was jeff sessions. He is a loyal soldier. He was the first republican to sign on to the trump campaign. In the words of one official it had a chilling effect. Thinking if the president can do this to him what will he do to us. Jeff sessions happened to have a press Conference Today talks about Cyber Security that he of course was asked about this. The. I have the honor of serving as attorney general. Its something that goes beyond any thought i would have ever had for myself. We love this job. We love this department. And i plan to continue to do so as long as that is appropriate. And anderson you heard him say as long as it is appropriate. That is of course the central question. He doesnt know how long that is. He also spoke in the we. That was the entire high command of the Justice Department standing around him. No one in that group of leaders, fbi, actk fbi director, Deputy Attorney then, escaped the president s wrath in that New York Times interview. He singled virtually every one out. No one here expects him to resign. The president has not asked for that resignation but certainly awkward because they have not spoken yet im told. Simd pli the president talking about him and not to him. What did the white house have to say about the red line the president drew for mueller when it comes to looking to his familys finances. That was another fascinating part of the interview because it was clear thats on the president s mind as well. He knows more about this investigation than anyone else. Hes being briefed by lawyers, and he made clear that he miss finances, his family hes are off limits. The white house was asked about that and Sarah Huckabee sanders said look, this investigation should stay focussed on the russian meddling in h the election. It should stay focused on that, not talking about the finances. But the reality here is bob mueller has this investigation. He is likely going after that. At least it looks like, at this time. But, again, the question is does the president plan to fire him. The white house said he does not plan to file the special prosecutor but they do say he has the authority to do so if he so choosz chooses. The that, of course, issen a open question here but the white house insists he does but not going to right now. Appreciate that. Before moving on i just want to underscore the white house take on the president s warning. Heres what spokesperson said today at the nocameras allowed briefing. I think the president , the point hes trying to make is that the clear purpose of the russia investigation is to review russias meddling in h the election and that should be the focus of the investigation, nothing beyond that. That should not be viewrd as a threat or warning as it relates to the president s finances. The president s making clear that the special counsel should not move outside of the scope of the investigation. Sarah sanders off camera. The to her to exactly the area the president s warning is a nogo zone. Bloomberg is out with a new reporting which cnn hasnt confirmed. The trump white hous house mueller expands probe to transactions. So basing your reporting what it mueller expanding the probe to include . Is. What weve learned is that he is taking a broad view of the investigation and not a narrow view. The mandate he was given in mid may is open to interpretation. Anything related to russia, and that might have resulted in interference in the election. Hes clearly going back more than a decade to any real estate transactions really more exactly. Well, russians were buying trumps particularly in the un. Buying trump apartments at the u. N. Development. Basically across from the u. N. Exactly. A lot of russians bout there. He became very popular among russians. Thats one thing, the scope of the time is like something i think was a new element of this. And your reporting is that mueller has already issued subpoenas to banks to get records . Its less specific than that. Its that hes clearly focussed on any major transaction that has taken place. Like the miss universe, the flipping of the florida mansion. In order to get information, youll have to issue subpoenas. He has issued some to some banks and more difficult is to issue not subpoenas but requests from information from foreign banks. Is that something President Trump would be aware of . If a bank he had done business i think in general, even you and i, if someone wanted our bank record z and subpoenaed our banks, we would be notified of that. Its not something that would happen in secret. So do you know the exact financial interest that hes looking into . Donald trump had bought a house in florida. Yes. Palm beach. For like 41 million. Good memory. And then sold it. Four years later in march of 2008, sold it having done almost nothing with it for 95 million to a russian oel i. It could be like the Russian Oligarch who wanted it, going through a divorce. There was a number of reasons why in made sense. However it was a staggeringly high price. But things like that that look unusual, why was the sum of money paid. That it is the type of thing an investigator would want to get into. Is any of this linked to the former u. S. Attorney in new york. Yes. In h some ways, some elements of this. Grew out of an investigation started here in new york. The and of course he did stay on. And was fired in early march. So, the element of that which involved Paul Manafort among others among other threats has been subsumed into the larger mueller probe. But no evidence that the firing of him had anything no connection theres been no such sort of reason given on about haba har ra. After the events of the first five weeks and wanted to get rid of anybody not on his team. Any reaction from the white house. We do have a response from trumps lawyer, johe raised the question he thought what we reported indicated the special council has gone beyond what his mandate was given two months ago. Besides some of these issues are beyond the statute of limitations. Thanks so much. Thank you so much. Joining us now is trump biographer and you probably know more about the president s finances at a certain point in his career. What does it mean to have a special council or special prosecutor looking into his business dealings . Well, its the financial equivalent of getting a thorough physical from a doctor you may not want to visit. Hes going to have to get, i think his taxes turned over, his bank records and any business transactions. I think whats also happened so far is that the net has come to include members of the trump organization. Other people who have worked with him. I think mueller will subpoena hard drives from the organizations computers and i think the larger issue here in light of the New York Times article is that trump threw down this warning to mueller. I dont think muellers listening. You see that as a warning . Absolutely. I think we talked about this before, i dont think trump would hesitate to fire mueller if the heat gets turned up. I think we saw this already with com comey. He is someone who tends to lash out when the vice gets tightened. Obviously donald trump has resisted his finances being looked into long before he was even running for president. For him to be pushing back on this shouldnt come as much of a surprise. It shouldnt come as a surprise, but the magnitude of firing a special prosecutor who is investigating you shouldnt be underestimated. Its only happened once before in history, the saturday night massacre in 1973 when Richard Nixon demanded the firing of archibald cox. White house says he has no intention. But if you listen to that interview, yesterday, with the New York Times, he was, i thought, pretty clear that there were lines that if mueller crossed he wouldnt hesitate to demand his firing. He also said Something Interesting about the finances, in this that interview. He said i dont make money in russia. But he didnt say i dont borrow money in russia. And thats really been the question that a lot of people have. Not whether he has investments in russia. I think we all know he doesnt really have major ones there. The but has he received loans . Thats something where he could generate indebtedness both in a financial and political sense. Muellers instructions from the department of justice in addition to investigating any coordination. They also include quote any matters that arose or may arose directly from the investigation. Does that give him a tremendous amount of leeway. Well you could interpret that way but one of the criticisms of the i counsel law when it existed, the reason we dont have it is because of independent councils getting out of their charge. It is exactly that kind of concern that has been expressed in bipartisan basis for years and years. Does it seem to be that hes going beyond his portfolio . I dont know if thats the case yet but the way you asked the question, it does not give him the ability properly to just do a fishing expedition on the trump family. With respect to economics of the trump family related to russia and recent years and i dont think a march 2008 sale of a moment would fall into that category it could very well be within the charge hes been given. But other things that fall outside it, it isnt like they have to go away. He should just hand them over to the department of justice to handle as they see fit. Why would investigators be looking to finances as part of the russian meddling. One the main reasons is to see if any russians or anyone connected to the russian government was trying to finance real estate deals as a way to curry favor. That is certainly something that logically investigators want to look at in this investigation. As they try to figure out the russian interference and influence campaign that was going on during the election, and perhaps even before the election, according to investigators. And you heard and just discussing this, the attorneys for the president say that this is outside of the scope of the special council scope. But the wording is important. It does say that anything that arises from this investigation or may avise can be looked at. And so in talking to prosecutors current and former they say finances would be something you want to look at as you try to build a picture and have a better understanding of what russias role was. When you tried to look into the finances over a decade ago, what was the response . He said until we got to that point, he never offered substantive documentation. It was always take my word. This and this is word this much but i wont tell you how much debt i have. It was a cat and mouse game, and i think the big difference here is that robert ploomueller has subpoena power. I was a reporter. One of the things thats going to arise in all of this with the loans is that theres an issue about any of these peoples were representatives of other interests in russia, financial or political. Kremlin or other powerful interests. I want to thank you everybody. Question of family ties after one prior apology for doing it already Jared Kushners name still being used to track Foreign Investors to the family he left behind. Also coming up next o. J. Simpsons parole. What he said that got jeff toobins attention. When youre close to the people you love, does psoriasis ever get in the way of a touching moment . 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So keep on climbing, sarah. Youre killing it. Dr. Scholls. Born to move. Simpson will soon be a freeman. The hearing didnt lack for drama and one of his remarks about not having a violent past certainly raised a lot of eyebrows. Thank you nevadas parole commissioner hand the o. J. Simpson a get out of prison card. He will serve the minimum nine years of a possible 33year sentence for his role in the 2007 Armed Robbery and kidnapping of memorabilia dealers. Simpson pleaded with the economi commissioners. Im sorry is happened. Im sorry nine years away from your family is not worth it. Simpson stressed he had been disciplinary free. A model inmate. Ive done my time, as well as respectfully as i think anybody can. If you talk to the wardens theyll tell you i gave thoem my word. I believe in the jury system. I. Commissioner called simpsons conviction a serious crime, said there was no excuse for it but added simpson complied with prison rule the and was lorisk to reoffend. The question here as with all parole here hearings is whether or not you served a enough time in prison on this case. Considering all of these factors, my vote is to grant your parole effective when eligible. And his colleagues agreed. The board noted the legal issues in california had no bearing in nevada. An allusion to the murders of his exwife and ron goldman. Simpsons life so often filled with sensational moments took another twist during the parole hearing. He testified you ra among asked for his friend o. J. Can be set free. Hes a good man. He made a mistake. If he called me tomorrow and said bruce, im getting out, will you pick me up . Bruce, ill be here tomorrow. Simpson revealed his plan after release is to move to florida. I could easily stay in mf nea but i dont think you guys want me here. So what is next for him now that hes been granted parole . So he stays in this prison behind me until about october. The a little bit before that hell go to another facility in Southern Nevada and thats where he will make his exit. Also, those commissioners will hash out the very detailed term the and conditions of his parole and they september him a message. They said if he breaks any of the rules while on parole he could be right back in the facility here in nevada. Appreciate. Senior legal analyst is back. Having written the definitive account of the trial. Jeff, earlier today you said the parole board probably wasnt wrong to grant him parole but you were pretty critical of the statements he made. Its been a long time. I thought i was sort of over the whole thing. But just to see him there, justifying his behavior, mouthing the words im sorry it happened. But trying to justify what he said what he did for which he was arrested, but then even worse, to describe himself as someone who had led a conflictfree life, when he was a convicted domestic abuser, when Nicole Brown Simpson had called repeatedly to 911 for the violence that he imposed on her, putting aside the murders for which he was acquitted. I just thought that was so indicative of someone that doesnt think Domestic Violence is a realtime. I just was totally totally off fended. It was interesting he was saying he was sorry for what happened as though it was a thunderstorm that just happened as opposed to for what i did. But you thought it was a slam dunk hed be graptdgranted paro i didnt think there was any doubt given the low risk factor, az age, hes already don

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