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CNNW Anderson Cooper 360 August 10, 2017

Force can communicate with them. Kim jongun tonight seemed to cross the line drawn in the sand. Jim sciuto, the statement from north korea, jim, also references that the president is at his golf club. We have to talk about how the u. S. Monitors north korean state and media associations to see what that says about their intentions, clearly north korea watching National Media about its coverage of the president , references his frequency of golf outings, in their statement saying that President Trump, the american president in the words of the North Koreans, the u. S. President at golf links again let out a load of nonsense about the fire and fury, failing to grasp the ongoing grave situation. But lets be frank here as well, north korea made a specific and direct threat, targeting a specific island, guam, and the intercontinental ballistic missile. I spoke to a senior military official in the pentagon tonight, he says when an adversary like that, particularly a nuclear adversary makes a threat like that, they take it very seriously. Secretary of state Rex Tillerson spoke while he stopped briefly in guam, hes trying to calm the rhetoric a little bit. Perhaps the president s comments yesterday about fire and fury in reference to any north korean threat. You saw Rex Tillerson bringing that statement back more in line to senior officials of his administration and previous administrations. Listen to what he had to say. I think what the president s doing is sending a strong message to north korea in language that kim kim jongun would understand. That the u. S. Will defend itself and its allies and i think its important that he send that message to avoid any miscalculation on their part. The president also made a point of saying that he didnt believe that any of the rhetoric heard in the last 24 to 48 hours should alarm americans. He didnt specify that its just rhetoric coming out of north korea, he said any of the rhetoric should not make america in his words not sleep at night in reference to the potential for military conflict. This was a very strongly worded statement, and you have to take this all together, as the defense secretary, you have the secretary of state, but mattis strongly worded statement, but bringing it back again to the previously stated positions of the u. S. In other words if in order korea acts and attacks, theres going to be an overwhelming response, were along the lines of saying, the dprk, that is the democratic republic of north korea should cease any consideration of actions that would lead to the end of its regime and the destruction of its people. That is, if you attack the u. S. , youre going but they bring it back in line with previously stated u. S. Policy. Which is you attack the u. S. , the u. S. Is going to strike back and by the way, u. S. Military power, greatly by an order of magnitude outweighs north Korean Military power. Thats a standard u. S. Statement delivered frankly, but, again, something of a reinterpretation of what the president said, fire and fury in response to any threat. Jim, thanks very much. This latest threat against guam and the island with 165 people already on notice is on guam for us, what has been the reaction there . Reporter when we landed shortly after midnight local time, i understand a u. S. Border and customs officer joked welcome to ground zero, a little bit of gallows humor. I dont know if you can see over my shoulder, but theres a beach here with people frolicking and playing on the water. So theres no concern on the beaches here. Eddy calvo has taken care to try and reassure the population that the threats not been ratcheted up verbally in statements from north korea. I just spoke to his office and he says he has been briefed in the last couple of hours about this latest threat coming out of north korea, about some four Ballistic Missiles that would land 20 miles off the coast of guam. No formal response to that yet, when you talk to ordinary people, the reactions are mixed. We saw a bride in a Wedding Dress in the lobby of our hotel in the last hour, presumably going to a photo shoot. There is some anxiety. One woman says she has some acquaintances who are sleeping in their clothing and there are others who are saying theyre going to put their faith in god. In terms of their overall military preparedness, whats the level . Well, avenue threats in 2013, the u. S. Military deployed that thaad Missile Defense system, in the context of being deployed in south korea. Thats supposed to be a protective measure against missiles. This is an island that one of its main Economic Activities is the two big military bases here, the navy base and Andersen Air Force base. And thats part of what has so frustrate and irritated the North Koreans, the fastball that b1 bombers flew out of here in the last couple of days, they linked up with fighter jets s japan and south korea. And japan singled that out as a reason for why it would want to target guam. But it has been written about in the past by north korea, which i might add has put out statements, i have seen dozens of statements, i think, where north korea has pledged to reduce washington, d. C. To fire and destruction. And we havent seen that yet and thats perhaps why some people here are taking this threat again guam with a grain of salt. Shortly before north korea made its latest threat, i talked to retired nsa director, Michael Hayden whos now National Security analyst. The fact that the president drew a line in his statement yesterday and targeted the threats coming from north korea, he just said threats, i dont know if that means verbal threats or actual movement. Should the president be drawing red lines on threats at this time . Oh, god, absolutely not, anderson. And given all the commentary hes given on his his unartful statement, clearly not precise. Really does draw a red line, and within about 90 minutes, kim jongun crosses the red line and threatens the island of guam. Were getting mixed signals from the president and the secretary of state. I dont know if more rational is the right way,or a statement deescalating things or trying to ratchet things down several days before this. There may be an actual strategy here, i think its a very dangerous and not a high probability strategy, but fundamentally, the administration has drawn a line, i think the Obama Administration had, but the Donald Trump Administration will not accept a Nuclear Armed north korea with an armed icbm. And to put pressure more on the chinese than the North Koreans, so that the chinese who really do have the leverage here, put pressure on the North Koreans to enter into some negotiated solution. Look, the chinese havent been all that willing, fundamentally, i have used the metaphor that china is a tooth ache and they would rather go through the pain than go through the root canal. I think our strategy now is to reduce t reduce increase the pain on north korea. North korea has been on this arc, creating these Weapons Systems for a while, whats new is our rhetoric and our response democracies and i think were fundamentally frying to make the chinese less comfortable with the status quo, to do the kinds of things we want to do. But to get to your question, were not doing that very artfully, were getting messages that are coming out of the president , that is very frightening. And then Rex Tillerson trying to calm the waters and i think that general mattis was somewhere in the middle. So i think you have these mixed messages, and this is so innately hard to do, youre making a difficult task even harder. The president s remarks yesterday were even harder, the last statement about more power than the world has ever seen, thats actually a line that he has used repeatedly not only during his presidency, but he also used it in the opiod conference that he used this statements is, he was using the same line for power on the boarder. Its very dangerous for a president of the United States to speak in language that could be misinterpreted, misunderstand. You consider them a rational actor . I do consider them a rational actor. But this rational actor believes in its heart of hearts, that the United States constitutions a real and present danger to them and all of their actions proceed from that premise rationally. Again, open to interpretation. We spoke to sergeant baucus, if there was actually a military action, he thought the chinese would actually enter north korea, do you think thats a possibility as well . I spent a long time, its a long time ago now in south korea planning for the collapse of that country. And we did take into account what the chinese would do, not a repeat of November December 1950, but moving in to reestablish order, to perhaps keep refugees on the Southern Side of the river, rather than in china. So i think the ambassador has a real point there, the chinese for their own interests and without intending to be aggressive, may be forced to intervene, coffmplicating our calculations. And i had one thought, were yelling at the North Koreans over the head of 50 million south koreans. When we say these kinds of things to the North Koreans, what must our south korean allies be thinking . Just as a reminder, youre talking got going through the war games or exercises that you went through, can you give us a sense of the scope of the fallout from a conflict like this . Just the loss of life in terms of the difficulty of anything in that area . Yeah, first of all, at the end of the day, anderson, we went. And one of the reasons that the north is putting so much emphasis on their nuclear forces, is that their conventional forces are eroding and the conventional balance grows more in the south korean and american favor favor every day, so we went, but we went at great cost in human life, i dont want to be overly dramatic here, but were talking about hundreds of thousands of casualties if we go to war in the on the korean peninsula. General Michael Hayden, appreciate it. Were going to talk more about the president s Decision Making and how the white house is coping with the blow back. Later with the domestic war of words, senator Mitch Mcconnell battling over the Health Care Legislation and the gops failure to pass it. Award winning interface. Award winning design. Award winning engine. The volvo xc90. The most awarded luxury suv of the century. This august visit your local volvo dealer to receive sommar savings of up to 4,500. 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But we have seen the way the president s behaved over the last couple of days and thats a pretty aggressive posture. Earlier the president said my first order as president was to renovate and modernize our Nuclear Arsenal and its now stronger and more powerful than ever before, hopefully we will not have to use this power, but there is never a time when the United States is not the most power line nation in the world. Obviously between the u. S. And south korea, theres been some concern about that. But it gives you an idea of the level of relahetoric on the hee of these threats by north korea. The fire and fury that the world has never seen, at when he leeri looked down on that paper, it wasnt anything about north korea, it was his opiod response. We were told that the papers in front of the president had to do with the opiod epidemic, the fire and fury, they said he discussed the tone of the statement with his new chief of staff, john kelly and other National Security council officials, but when it came to the rhetoric, those words stuck out to many people who were watching, those were the president s own words, they came extensively in that moment, and they were not words prepared ahead of time. Which have retired general, paul page, matt whitaker, carl. Jon kelly was surprised but not shocked by what the president said yesterday. But i think one reason the white house has been eager to say this wasnt scripted, this wasnt vetted, was so the North Koreans dont take this seriously, you know, many people in washington, including senators, voters across the country, know that there are times when you take donald trump very seriously, every word, and there are times when you dont. And i think the white house is trying to make the case, you do not dissect every word of this, because if you did dont take him literally. Dont take him literally, we have had a lot of debate about this. But this was extemporaneous. Dont dissect it too deeply. General mattis and Rex Tillerson all coming out with variations of a more moderate statement. They want to try to scale this down, and the problem i think thats a terrific strategy for them now, now that the president has kind of messed up. Say well he didnt mean that literally. But especially in a international crisis, you need to go carefully. President kennedy used the word quaranti quarantine. His generals cannot allow him to go out unscripted on things like this. The president tweeting that the Nuclear Arsenal is more powerful than ever. Theres been no change. When i heard the statement yesterday, thank you, paul, for mentioning the book. I thought to myself, okay, wait, is the president trying to deter the North Koreans from being something . Or is he trying to compel them to do something. The reason the cuban missile crisis was so dangerous, was that kennedy was telling them tory move missiles. Yesterday one got the idea that the president was trying to propel north korea to denuclearize. Were trying to deter them from future action. A threat to try to propel them to action is very dangerous. That means unless you want to loses your credibility as a world power, youre going to have to react. When the North Koreans talk, as they did in this latest segment, four Ballistic Missiles being fired toward guam, that will fall short of guam, i guess is a threat of some sort, how likely is it, how possible is it that that will really happen. If north korea fires missiles, how does the u. S. Know that theyre going to fall 20 miles away from guam. They cant be backed up with any logic or science, they havent reached that point. And we have noticed on some of the missile launches, they really subscribe to the notion, big sky, little bullet, and theyre not concerned about where it falls. You know, anderson for years, guam is the target that north korea talks about, they want to bring some type of destruction, only because its United States territory, its not something on the peninsula, and it is something they can reach. Upon launch, we dont know where missiles go, they literally go vertically, and you have to start looking at preliminary data. And then you start reading the telemetry data. When you go after a ballistic missile, you want to go after it a few minutes after launch. Its low, its close to the ground, ow how do we do that very, very well . We can pick up the burn, how do we engage that, right now we dont have the ability to do that. The president s statement, he had just had this opiod meeting and one of the things he said was the u. S. Power on the southern 3w0border of mexico, somewhere more powerful than the world has ever seen and he used the same statement in this threat with north korea, that it will be fire and fury that the world has never seen. A lot of people interpret it as a Nuclear Response, and the world has seen a Nuclear Response in 1952. Hes tweeted a lot, but here he is just in speechies using that phrase. It will be fire and fury on the southern border and the likes of which the world had never seen before. A historic movement, the likes of which the world has never seen before. The movement the likes of which,

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