Through the b. S. I dont know if theres been any. Wants to cut through the b. S. , get the answers to the questions about how long this is going to go on and this is what was most interesting to me. One of my sources says to me, hes going to find out if we have to fight and where this leads. They seem to think that Rudy Giuliani will be the one to be able to do that where nobody else was able to do that before. In some interviews today he talked about his prior relationship with Robert Mueller. Its not clear to me how a prior relationship with mueller would impact an on going investigation. And he told that in his interview that they do have a prior relationship. I think i should remind people that john dab the lawyer that quit also had a prior relationship with mueller. Giuliani did work with mueller after 9 11 of course. But i think that whole we have a relationship and we get along can be overdone because a lot of people worked with mueller over the years. He also said i think when she pushed him on a time frame he said a couple of weeks. Does it seem to you that giuliani is going to be on the legal team for longterm . No it doesnt. Theres some sense that giuliani is going to go in there and say okay put all your cards on the table here. Let us know whats going on. Let us know what we have to do and that the mueller team is going to answer all of his questions. Do we know how this came out . Who approached him . Because obviously Rudy Giuliani is a friend of theth. Spoke out when few people after the Access Hollywood would speak out Rudy Giuliani went out on all the programs that day. We know theyre good friends. He recently visited for example. We dont know if it was discussed then. We do know at one point he was being discussed as Attorney General, if youll recall, Secretary Of State and im wondering if he joins this legal team whether he could ever become the Attorney General because he might be conflicted because he represented the president. But theyre friends obviously and what we do know is that the president is reaching back to people he feels comfortable with at this point. Right. Thank you very much. Turning now to the other looming investigation involving another of the president s lawyers that have been recording that the president is fixated on the criminal investigation of Michael Cohen. Theth said he is not a target in that investigation. So what more do we know about what rosenstein said to the president . Well, we know that this is the result of to some extent the
president s anger about that Michael Cohen raid that occurred early part of last week. That set the president off. Came over to the white house and the Deputy Attorney general and basically told the president in this meeting that was attended by other officials closer to the president that listen, hes not a target of the Michael Cohen portion of this investigation. Now im told by a source familiar with this conversation that this was not any kind of assurance about the overall Mueller Investigation and that is because the president received that kind of assurance in the past, but of course ander so anderson, any legal expert will tell you those kind of assurances only go so far. They only work for what has been uncovered at that stage of the investigation. But my understanding as were talking to the source earlier today is that the Deputy Attorney general did tell the president just recently and we believe this meeting happened late last week that he is not a target of that Michael Cohen investigation. Do we have any information about how the president reacted
to that or has subsequently reacted . Well, we know he continues to be unnerved by the Michael Cohen probe. Obviously Michael Cohen is a long friend of the president. Has been his attorney for a long time. Has been described piano others as a fixer for the president. And my colleague was reporting earlier today that the president has been consumed by this and i am also hearing that from other sources that this is something that he fixates on almost every day but anderson i will tell you i did talk to a source familiar with this, these conversations that go on inside the white house about this and this source said earlier today that the legal team with the president at this point is not concerned that Michael Cohen is going to turn against the president and start singing like a canary. One of the phrases we have been hearing this week. At this point they expect Michael Cohen to do what he has to do in this investigation but hes not going to be a cooperating witness against the
president. Of course thats how they view things right now. They cant see into the future and know what is the unknown but theyre trying to convey that they dont think that should be a concern at this point but the president from what were told is still very, very upset and furious that that probe has been washed and that those took place. The question is at this point what happens in the future to Michael Cohen . What kind of information is uncovered . What kind of case could be brought against him and could that case, perhaps, convince Michael Cohen to become a cooperating witness against the president. People are not concerned thats not going to happen at this point. Thank you. First of all, this notion of Rudy Giuliani being able to come in in the shortterm and fix this, essentially get this to come to a conclusion in a couple
of weeks. What do you make of that idea . Pretty arrogant to believe he would be in a position to do so. Even if he has a personal relationship with mueller this is business and come paits key. The president of the United States has not had competent council that can expedite it. Its slow because it has to be thorough and although most people are used to the idea of having Immediate Gratification in the news and perhaps a Television Program and Law And Order and an hour and have it wrapped up but when it comes to federal prosecution of this magnitude and investigation of this magnitude it will take tile to flush out all the details. So come in and say let me expedite this process that i can feel like im not a target is an odd thing to think. David, certainly understanding why the president s team would want to do that. Would you think giuliani is the person that can do that . Sure. Hes not only a close friend and
confidant of the president but an incredibly capable individual in his own right. Former prosecutor and mayor and he has a force of personality. A personal relationship with Director Mueller and i think hes going to try to nudge this along to a certain extent. But is an investigation like this something that can be negotiated away . I dont know if its negotiated away. You can try to cut through the weeds here a little bit. Whether the president is going to answer written interrogatories, whether hes going to testify, what thats going to look like, that can be expedited by having somebody with a force of personality like mayor giuliani on the team. They have been discussing this for months and they were already, the legal team, that morning of the raid on cohens office was all ready to make a proposal to mueller about the president testifying and then there was the raid of his office and Home Et Cetera and they pulled back. They had a meeting and they pulled back so theyre already at a point now where things were moving along. And that point that may have changed dramatically, right . That morning things may have changed and mayor giuliani may have been brought in to piece it together again. Theres whether or not the president will testify willingly and by the way its not up to him ultimately. They could always subpoena him. Which he could fight. He could fight. He could plead the fifth. They could try to get him to compel him. No president has ever been attempted to be compelled or held in contempt for that reason. He has that option but the idea of expediting the overall investigation to a conclusion is a very separate issue. One is about details. Theres a political backdrop to this. Theres Upcoming Elections this fall that are very important and Director Mueller is very sensitive to that. Just like this afternoon we heard director comey, hes not political but hes political and Director Mueller doesnt want
this hanging over as a cloud over the elections so that theres a reason that anybody can blame what happens in the fall on him. A lot of people looking into the Mueller Investigation, if Robert Mueller is trying to figure out intent. If theyre looking at Obstruction Of Justice, intent is critical in a lot of the president s actions and for that you would think they would have to actually interview the president. Thats their point i think. They would like to interview him. The point from the white house is we have given you over a million documents from everybody thats talked to the president and that the president of course keeps no notes and does no emails. So you have all of this information. The lawyers, i dont think, muell muellers team, i dont think theyre going to buy that but they do understand theres different rules for a president than there are for you and me. Does it make sense that rosenstein would say to the president , we think at the end of last week, that he is not t you know, the subject of a
criminal investigation in terms of the cohen raid. Its possible. Its possible and the reason i say that is because it hasnt actually changed the ultimate objective. He could become a target at any time. All it takes is a piece of evidence to do so. Im not saying thats going to be the case here but they have been investigating Michael Cohen specifically for a number of months. So its good news for the president. Its good news for the president. If that is an accurate report then it tells you that at this point in the investigation after months of reading his emails and stuff its a great sign for the president of the United States. Theres still so much unknown about why theyre after him. What theyre investigating. Back to Andersons Point about the obstruction charge. Youre talking about the president s man here if thats what theyre hanging their hat on i think they should move on. On the cohen thing, what i dont understand, im not a lawyer, is why would Rosenstein Volunteer that to the president. He was not asked . Is it to save his job . Thats a possibility . A requirement. Or is it something that he would do because he knew that the president was concerned about it and he shouldnt be. Im not going to say hes a guy thats going to get rolled here. Hes a person who is a great character, high integrity. So why would you do it . I dont know. I think politics seeps into every phase of our government now. The three separate branches are becoming, you know, the judiciary used to be kind of independent. We hope it remains that way but the Executive Branch and investigative functions now seem to be points higher lliticized. They said theyre not going to follow along with the president S Immigration pledge. Thats number one but number two
there may be a nonclinical reason here and it may be that because there was a Department Of Justice rule and discussion about guidelines about searching an Attorneys Office, maybe he was trying to explain to him that he was not after him as a target because he is the client of this person, which would have raised questions about the attorneyclient privilege being at issue here. Perhaps he is simply telling him this does not implicate or make your Attorney Client privilege any less because were not after him about what concerns you. That may be a nonpolitical way to try to say this is not an issue for you. And separate from the Mueller Investigation. Separate. If he sign aued off on the r. And perhaps he felt the need to explain that to a president thats very upset about it. As you said good news for theth, its still, if i was the president i would still be concerned if my attorney that allegedly only had three clients, one of those clients saying i was never a client. The other one seemed to have a shortterm need for a hush agreement, the president is his longest term client. You know, if i had that relationship with a friend or attorney who was under investigation i would still be nervous. And the key here is what you said, friend or attorney. Because what he was to donald trump is going to be key in whats going to make him nervous. Is Michael Cohen somebody that works for him and is an attorney or somebody that happens to have a law degree. That does not attach the attorneyclient privilege. If most of their interactions were about business or not confidential or somebody else in the room or things that did not attach to privilege then youre asking the same question that President Trump is probably asking, were you acting as my friend or my lawyer. If it was my friend i have a lot of information now that could be disclosed and making me or people a member of the Trump Organization very vulnerable. I didnt mean to interrupt you but im sure that most of those conversations probably weaved in and out of privilege and nonprivilege. Recorded conversations with other people, with third parties, who knows what is in those conversations. Reasons for the president to be concerned. The president came out on Air Force One and said Michael Cohen is my attorney. Talk to my attorney. So thats sort of pretty cut and dry. Thank you very much. Up next, Breaking News on the new Pecking Order in the west wing of the white house. Two new senior staffers getting the green light to bypass Chief Of Staff john kelly and the Justice Department gives congress memos written by fired fbi director james comey about his most controversial conversations with President Trump. And that more. The full interview coming up in this hour. This is what getting your car serviced at lincoln looks like. Complementary pickup and delivery servicing now comes with every new lincoln. I won. Giving you, the luxury of time. Thats the lincoln way. I just need some rest. Im just worried about the house. And taking care of the boys. [ door slams ] hes still asleep. Zach . Zach . [ dog barking ] [ sighs in relief ] zach talk to me. Its for the house. I got a job. Its okay. Dad took care of us. Principal. We can help you plan for that. Nondrowsy claritin 24 hour relief when allergies occur. Day after day, after day. Because life should have more wishes and less worries. Feel the clarity and live claritin clear. Before discovering nexium 24hr to treat her frequent heartburn, claire could only imagine enjoying chocolate cake. Now she can have her cake and eat it too. Nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for allday, allnight protection. Can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn . Though the president hasnt told them that theyre reporting directly to him, that is certainly the sense of functionality in the west wing that they are reporting to the president and not the Chief Of Staff john kelly which makes that interesting now they have been on the rise for the last few days. We saw that obviously there with his scuffle with the United Nations ambassador nick kkki ha. Some saw that as a sign of his a asendance. She does outrank him being a Cabinet Member and then he is asserting his authority by hiring and firing and clearinghouse with the National Security in particular one aid in particular that Homeless Security Adviser that recently left the white house and im told by sources that when he told him he was dismissing him, he was stunned and said he wanted to speak to the Chief Of Staff john kelly but bolton made
clear this is his decision to make and not john kellys. What does this mean for kellys future or lack there of in the west wing . Well, thats the question. What does it do to his standing in the west wing . Because whenever he became Chief Of Staff everyone was reporting directly to him including ivanka trump and Jared Kushner and now were seeing the change and theyre reporting that john kelly is what aids see as a downward slide in the west wing because he used to hold Staff Meetings three times a week. Now he only does them once a week. He used to travel with the president on every trip and now he does not do that and he used to have a toe in every decision but were seeing people be able to overrule john kelly by getting rid of staffers like