Jr. , Paul Manafort and a pack of russians offering dirt on Hillary Clinton at a meeting everyone then proceeded to mislead the public ability. So with all that in mind, axios asked a very reasonable question, one that should not be necessary to ask, but seems to be given the times, would he do it again . Heres what he said about that and about 2016. The email that i got in my iphone at the time basically said show up at 4 00. I didnt scroll down. I never would have thought about that. It had russia in the message. Literally get thousands of emails a day. It said show up at 4 00. Would you do it again . The reality is we were not given anything that was salacious. Now, he could have answered, no, i would report it. But he didnt and its staggering that he didnt given what the Mueller Investigation concluded. Heres what mr. Mueller said last wednesday. I will close by reiterating the central allegation of our indictment that there were multiple systematic efforts to interfere in our election. And that allegation deserves the attention of every american. Joining me now, cnn senior political analyst and adviser to nixon, ford, reagan and clinton, david gergen and former federal prosecutor Jeffrey Toobin and vicki ward author of the inside account of jared and cush in other words and ivanka. If the russians came offering help again during the campaign. Im not so sure this is how National Security is supposed to work with someone with top secret security clearance. Well, its atrocious, its terrible. But its also consistent with how the Trump Administration and trump personally is responding to the mueller report. I remember Rudy Guiliani. Rudy guiliani said, im going to ukraine to get dirt on joe biden. Now, there was a outcry and he said, well, i guess i wont go to ukraine. But there was certainly nothing wrong with that. The trump universe obviously thinks that it is perfectly appropriate to if et the help of foreigners to win president ial elections. Thats illegal. They managed to skate in 2016 as a result of the a boarded meeting at trump tower. But, obviously, if someone else comes calling, theyll take it again. He defended himself saying they didnt get something salacious. He was upset. Everyone at that meeting were disappointed. Vicki ward, you looked into Jared Kushner so long so deeply. How does he consider the rules and how they apply to him . Again he has top secret security clearance. One would think that requires him to come forward if the russians were to come calling . Right. I think you know you saw specific, especially in the second part of that interview when Jonathan Swan really started pushing the questions again and again, particularly about mohammed bin salmon and middle east. You saw the look on Jared Kushners face while he was being asked the questions and it was like this glazed disdain kind of like a mannequin. I think that was extremely telling. It tells what you he thinks of the rules. My sources say that the answer he gave about whether or not he had discussed his security clearance with the president is the biggest headline of that interview and the one that will come back to haunt him. Jared kushner who has been nicknamed the secretary of everything, the idea that a guy in President Trumps ear 24 7 did not discuss his security clearance, which he didnt have remember in 2018 for weeks and weeks and weeks is according to my sources who were in the white house with him preposterous. He told Jonathan Swan he never spoke to the president about security screens. Lying to a journalist isnt illegal. Lying people interviewing for the clearance s. David gergen. To the seriousness of this. I wanted to play Robert Muellers statement the other day because it was so serious. It was the beginning the and the end of Robert Muellers statements. The russians attacked the electoral system and everyone better take this seriously. Jared kushner doesnt seem like he is included in that everyone. I agree. Listen, i agree about what dickey and jeff have vicki and jeff just said. I think at the end of the day in the mueller report, mueller found insufficient evidence to bring charges against kushner. That included the trump tower meeting. Having said that, listen, i think its appalling that he hasnt learned apparently any lessons from this whole experience. And its also very important to point out that when this occurred, the meeting in trump to you ore kurd, as pointed out today, when it occurred, he was a civilian but now in answering the questions from axios, he is in the government with a top secret clearance. By law, jeffrey can im sure provide the details, but by law if are you in that position in the government and a red flag goes up or anything suspicious and something you could reasonably consider suspicious coming from foreign soil, you are required, you are required to report that. And he, here he says, oh, i dont think so, id probably do the same thing again, shortened it up. Jeffrey, quickly . I think thats right. You could quibble around the edges, certainly david has the obligation correct. Even if its not a legal requirement, its a moral requirement. Working in the government, if the russians are offering you help, you report it. Another interview that deserves attention when Jonathan Swan from axios asked if he thought the president was racist. Kushner first answered no, his whole life hes lived pa long life and he was never racist. Jonathan someone pushed him. Listen. Have you ever seen him say or do anything that you would describe as racist or bigoted . So, the answer is, no absolutely not. Was birtherism racist . Up, look, i wasnt really involved in that. I know you werent. Walls it racist . Like i said, i wasnt involved in that. I know you werent. Was it racist . Up, look i know who the president is and i have not seen anything in him that is racist. So again i was not involved in that. Did you wish he didnt do that . Like i said i was not involved in that. That was a long time ago. It was like i dont know it was 2015, who can remember 2015, 16 . Its ancient history. Who a disgrace . You know the answer is, yes, donald trump made his political career on a racist claim about the first africanamerican president of the United States and when the history books are written about donald trump, everybody will focus on that. And the gymnastics, the verbal and logical gymnastics he was doing there to separate himself from birtherism is particularly interesting. You write about there in your book. You examined the charlottesville episode and how Jared Kushner and ivanka trump try to publicly distance themselves from that. Its pr. Its messaging and its not real. What i say in the book is that actually when gary cohn who was so upset what donald trump said about charlottesville, there being very fine people on both side, gary cohn went to author his resignation, he didnt change his mind. Jared kushner listened to him in silence. Ivanka trump actually refuted what her father had said, no, no, my father never said that again with the muslim travel ban, Jared Kushner supported the travel ban until it was bad pr for himself and his wife. There was a meme of them in black tie over the internet while there were crowds of people stranded over airports during that time. It was only when the pr went bad that Jared Kushner sort of publicly stuck his hand up. So i dont think he agrees with the president at all. David, you run communications in the white house before. Would you had advise Jared Kushner to give more interviews like that . Ha, well i must say i was pleased he did reach beyond fox to sit down with axios. After that i thought, why did he do that . This interview did not help him or the white house. If you are in the white house in his defense on the birther thing, if he wanted to stay in the inner circle around donald trump, if he had said that was racist, he would have been right historically, he would have been out of the inner circle. Thats just the way it is around this president. But the other thing about this interview, which startled me, he said one of the main legacies were going to leave is we demonstrated how we could bring in people who ordinarily dont work in government and how wonderfully they would perform. Most of the world thinks this is a group of incompetents, the president , himself, recently said his first secretary of state was as dumb as a rock. David gurg him, Jeffrey Toobin, vicki ward, much more to discuss on this over the next two days. Thanks, for being with us. Next, President Trumps day in london. How it went and how the rest of the trip may go at dinner and bummingham palace. Bummingham. I get in trouble for saying the h. Later joe bidens cane choice to keep his adjei experiences rare. What his democratic opponents are trying to say as they try to takele down a peg. Until the minute i said it. This is the couple who wanted to get away who used expedia to book the Vacation Rental which led to the discovery that sometimes a little down time can lift you right up. Expedia. Everything you need to go. So should the way you bank. Virtual wallet from pnc bank. Just one way pnc is modernizing banking to help make things easier. Pnc bank. Make today the day. Pnc bank. Dna results fromt you ancestry. Er with your i was able to discover one cousin, reached out to him, visited ireland, met another 20 cousins. 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The fact that it was in Buckingham Palace and the president avoided protests by choppering there may have helped as well. In any case, the visit gets more delicate from here on out. Host of Amanpour Christiane amanpour. So christiane what do you make the day went . Reporter on the honest with you the day has gone so well for President Trump and his host here there seems to be absolutely no outward semblance of any discomfort or anything other than a really warm and highly well received in terms of who he met and the royal family visit so far. Talk to me more about that. Because this was a decidedly different day hell have for the rest of the week. Inside the confines of the day, the royal reception, the state visit part of it. Why do you think it went so well . Reporter well look what happened, the last public event of the day was the state banquet at Buckingham Palace. The pictures in there were just stunning, superb. Its the kind of environment that the president we have learned to know enjoyed. It was the kind of reception that he enjoys. And speaking to the queen, he just looked incredibly comfortable and the queen looked comfortable and you know prince charles, his wife, the duchess of cornwall. You saw melania trump, the first lady, everybody seemed to be just having a fairly good time and the speeches were remarkably well placed. The queen welcomed the president really using this moment, which is the 75th anniversary of the joint operation which was dday to rid europe of the nazi menace and that is very important and that is very, very much front and center. So the queen highly you know highly was attuned to that. Theyre all going to see each other again on the beaches of normandy and the president gave a very, very good speech in response. The flip side of this reception is the president s spat with the london mayor sadiq khan, who youve had some fascinating discussion with. He wrote a scathing oped saying it was quote unbritish to roll out the red carpet for donald trump. This set off the president works tweeted his ire towards the mayor right as he was landing. This tension has been drawing for some time. Hasnt it . Reporter you know, john, yes it has. For whatever reason the president has taken an instant dislike to the mayor. Hes the first muslim mayor of london. Hes a labor party mayor. Not the Government Party and you know, sadiq khan you know fired back. I think it was mostly based from sadiq khan in the beginning to a great exception with the president s muslim ban. That really ticked off a lot of the world. That spat has been going on for a long time so really nothing new, the spat. And again, these verbal fisticuffs over twitter were dispensed with. Once the president landed, there has been no more of that. Just to finish up on the royal visit, because there will be those in the United States who may not follow the royals so closely who will ask, given the attention from donald trump and some government officials in the uk, given his insertion of himself into the whole brexit debate, why then would the queen bend over backwards to provide such a glorious ceremony like this . Reporter well, because she is the queen of england and that is what she does. And she also i might add and you can see it, both in Donald Trumps demeanor, in melania trumps demeanor, in africa in the demeanor of everybody who is ever in her presence that she has a remarkable effect on people and that there is an immediate calming effect. There is an immediate aur avenue of respect everybody has for her. Look at donald trump greeting her. The queen, saying you know all the right things. Donald trump sort of in a half bow toward her. He respects her. You know, this is not the first time theyve met in close contact like this. Frankly, he came over this time last year. It was called a working visit, but he got a lot of pomp and circumstance. And the queen, look, she has seen her share of lets say controversial world leaders. She has been on the throne for more than 60 years and she hasnt become who she is by any, inserting any personal feelings into this. Other than the feeling of welcome and knowing that america is a very, very, very close ally. All right. Contradiction amanpour, thank you so much. Tomorrow will be fascinating. Appreciate it. It will. All right. A lot more ahead on one aspect of the runup to his visit. What he said about Meaghan Markle on tape, which hes now trying to say he never said. If you are not sure who to believe him or your lying ears, stay tuned. Were keeping them honest in talking to a Senior Member of the trump 2020 campaign. With advil liquigels, what stiff joints . What bad back . Advil is. 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So shop now President Trump toasted Queen Elizabeth tonight and we know it because we heard and saw it. In fact, there it is right there. He also called the duchess of sussex nasty. Hes trying to claim he didnt, even though we heard that, too. Keeping him honest is a funny thing about eyes and ears. The president has the same ear wes all have. His seems to think ours work differently. How many vp soul how they will hear the way he wants it. In fairness, all president s and politician versus a little of. The difference is most politicians, in fact, most people draw the line at trying to make others unhear or unsee what is right in front of them. This president on the other hand does not. And thats important not because president s dont sometimes feel the need to shave the truth or on rare occasions even lie, as a great philosopher otter of delta house put it, they do. It is until this president none has so fragrantly deliberately and repeatedly lie when the truth is so plain to see even by gas light. So keeping them honest. Heres a portion of what he told the uks sun newspap