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So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous whether its ultraviolet or just a very powerful light, and i think you said that hasnt been checked, but youre going to test it. I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do, either through the skin or in some other way, and i think you said youre going to test that, too. It sounds interesting. Right. And then i see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do Something Like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning . Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So youre going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds sounds interesting to me. As you might imagine, the president talking about people being injected with disinfectants prompted the makers of lysol to warn against it and just about every scientist and doctor to do the same. More than 100 people called into a maryland hotline asking about that. This morning the white house said the president had been taken out of context, which is not true. Then when later asked about it, the president lied directly to the American People. No, i was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen. I was asking the question of the gentleman who was there yesterday, bill, because when they say that something will last three or four hours or six hours, but if the sun is out or if they use disinfectant, it goes away in less than a minute. Did you hear about this yesterday . But i was asking a very sarcastic question to the reporters in the room about disinfectant on the inside. He wasnt talking to reporters and he wasnt being sarcastic. Tonight he took no questions. Joining us now is kaitlan collins, dr. Sanjay gupta and kathleen sebelius, democratic governor of kansas who served as health and Human Services secretary in the obama administration. Secretary sebelius, look, the countrys in a major health crisis. The president of the United States suggesting that people might be injected with disinfectant then lies about it. I mean, how dangerous is all this . Well, anderson, i think its incredibly dangerous. You ended the last segment with a heartbreaking story about a young widow and her two children and her beloved husband who just died. We ended this week with 50,000 american deaths. They have doubled over the past ten days and we have a president who from the podium is pitching americans to take specific medication that is not proven effective and may, indeed, cause them harm, and now is talking about lighting inside their body, ultraviolet light and maybe injecting people with disinfectant, which is, again, dangerous, could kill them. So i think it is incredibly harmful and must be shocking to any of the Health Advisers who try to make some sense out of whats coming out of his mouth. Kaitlan, you were in the Briefing Room when the president walked out without taking any questions. Think the head of the fda took one question. But that was it. The Vice President didnt take any. Dr. Birx not there. Dr. Fauci not there. Typically, remember, the were just only held by the Vice President and the other doctors on the team at the beginning, and i remember the president first came out and he seemed so joyous to be engaging back and forth with the press. It was a very long briefing the first time the president came out and, of course, it was a rare appearance for him in the Briefing Room. Think it was the first time he had actually taken questions in the Briefing Room. Its really just notable to see how far that has change from where we were that day to where we were today where the president took no questions, the fda commissioner only took one question. And, of course, what weve been hearing from aides and allies of the president is that they dont think he needs to be doing these marathon briefings every single day. They think hes obviously exhausted from dealing with the coronavirus, having these meetings every day, but a lot of them also dont think theyre helpful to the president because often its this long briefing that happens during prime time hours where the president often talks about the ratings. He ad libs from the prepared remarks that the aides and the scientists have prepared to him over their latest developments and a lot of people around the president dont think theyre helpful to him. I think a lot of people can point back to yesterday as a highlight of that point that theyve been trying to make. But, of course, its ultimately the president s call if he wants to come out to these briefings and often he decides even when there is not a briefing scheduled that he wants to have one, like he did two weeks ago. The irony is theyre not helpful to the president he cannot help himself but to muse aloud about his thoughts on medical issues which is he not qualified to talk about as if theyre real suggestions. Sanjay, the medical community obviously reject these ludicrous, dangerous recommendations. The cdc put out a statement. Lysol had to put out a warning. Ever since this has happened, you and i have been discussing this. I still find this unbelievable that the greatest country in the world is facing this situation and this is what is being discussed from the upper echelons of our government. At a time when its critically important for these scientists to be focussing on really important things. I mean, you know, i i guess i there is a little solace in the fact that i think the Scientific Community for the most part spoke with one voice in response to this, not just public in the public sphere, but also in the private sphere. You heard a lot of people coming forth and really making sure that people understood and that people would be kept safe from this. I, you know, find it concerning, as you and i have talked about, anderson, these great scientists, really renowned scientists, youre right, we have some of the greatest scientists in the world in this country and some of them are working on that Coronavirus Task force. Great leaders in hiv aids. Anthony fauci, 40 years running Infectious Diseases for this country. Stephen hahn running the Cancer Center before this. Really, really renowned scientists. Im worried sometimes theyre not speaking as forcefully as they probably should, but i also, you know, take some sal ace in the fact that theyre in the job and they want to stay in the job because this is really important right now. I mean, there are six significant vaccine trials that are happening. One of them we just reported on. Many therapeutic trials. Some of them have not shown promising results yet. But one of those clicks, that could be a way out of this mess. We need these scientists to be in these jobs. Hopefully they didnt get too sidetracked by all of this. Im sure the people working in the labs hopefully kept working in the labs on the work that they have to do, but it is a huge distraction. I mean, the number of texts that i got from people, my sources today, about this issue. Im asking about medications. Im asking about whether mrna is going to be a good vaccine candidate or not and were talking about lysol. I mean, that is not, you know, i guess maybe we should stop talking about it as well because its not its of no use to the american public. Yeah, well, by the way, this is of course the president. Tomorrow hes going to talk more about it because hes going to try to, you know, spend the night stewing about it, formulate some new lie and then go after it tomorrow. Secretary sebelius, i mean, in a normal time shouldnt scientists be able to speak directly to the American People not filtered through the lens of, you know, the white house or the Vice President s office . I mean, shouldnt there be cdc briefings and hhs briefings and, you know, directly scientific information and questions being asked and answered . It would be really helpful if we would have anthony fauci, dr. Debbie birx, both of whom are excellent and have incredible reputations. And then a, you know, whether its dr. Redfield or somebody from the cdc should be by their side every day. Theyre the epidemiologists. Thats who we should be hearing from. Periodically, you want a government leader to talk about logistics, give clear guidance, National Guidance on issues like stay at home rules and what kind of help could be coming from the federal government, but when you want the medical advice to come from the scientists. You want people like sanjay gupta talking about medicine. And not hearing it from, you know, the head of lysol. I just i find it just so troubling. And i really dont, you know, the president again has touted the fact that his uncle was a doctor. My uncle was a doctor. That doesnt make me wellequipped to give medical advice. I would never do that. And what hes doing is incredibly dangerous because hes promoting drugs and now potential cures of some kind which can be very, very harmful to people. And just saying, you know, well, talk to a doctor, but i have these great ideas, and lets go follow this. And as dr. Gupta just said, the notion that scientists could be misdirected into some errand to follow whatever the president woke up in the morning thinking about is also troubling. 24 7 we need people to be focus on finding a medication and certainly finding a vaccine. And those two things will take all the time and energy that we have. Yeah. Kaitlan, i just want to play something that dr. Birx said on fox news today about these comments from the president. When he gets new information, he likes to talk that through out loud and really have that dialogue. And so thats what dialogue he was having. I think he just saw the information at the time, immediately before the press conference, and he was still digesting that information. I mean, yeah kaitlan, the president is putting the White House Task force Public Health officials in incredibly difficult positions. Obviously shes trying to put the best face on it. Im not sure, you know, that thats a great explanation that, well, he just happened to randomly hear this information and therefore decided to speak about it in front of the world. Yeah, i dont think any of the doctors would suggest the president digesting information in front of cameras at the podium where aides, like i said, theyve put together these carefully prepared remarks, and then its when the president goes off script that moments like this happen. And anderson, really this whole week we have seen where the president has put these doctors and these scientists in these positions where dr. Birx is trying to explain that, and that was that was we should note, taped before the president made his comment that it was sarcastic, what he was saying to reporters. Now that dr. Birx is saying that he was just, you know, digesting that information. Weve seen it multiple times this week with dr. Fauci where the president said he disagreed with him about whether or not the u. S. Had the proper amount of testing. They contradicted each other about coronavirus returning in this fall. He had the cdc director come out to correct his quote that the cdc director said was accurately quoted in the washington post. So you really see what these doctors, you know, what their experience like is with the president. When he wants them to come out to these briefings, he picks them to come out there and then it ends up with dr. Birx trying to explain that comment today in an interview. You know, kaitlan, im glad you mentioned that it was before the president then went out and lied about, you know, it being sarcastic, because its another example of how all those around the president skewer themselves and debase themselves by coming up with stories, cover stories for the president that are not coordinated. So kaley mcglyyleigh mcenany sa was taken out of context. He says, oh, no, is it was all sarcastic and i was talking to reporters. You know, everybody ends up with mud on their face because the president theyre just trying to cover for the president and its sad that our scientists are put in this position that they are trying to do this. I just want to end on just a completely unrelated mildly happy note, which is the nicest thing that happened to me today besides talking to you all and besides talking to that amazing mom who just lost her husband a few moments ago. Sanjay, your daughter made me a mask, and it is the best mask ive ever seen. Its got little, like, cowboys on it. It reminds me of, like, pajamas i had from the 1970s and it makes me so happy. So i want to thank you and thank your daughter salil for making it. Ive gotten two requests from very famous people who are friends of mine who saw that picture and immediately are asking if she can make them mach masks as well. Ill send you an email about it. Thank her. If shes watching, thank you. She is watching. Thank you. Shell get to work, anderson, but can i just say she is a huge fan of yours. What you just did will absolutely make her day. All right. So thank you for that, anderson. Sanjay, thanks. Secretary sebelius, thank you, as always. Kaitlan collins, thank you as well. Joining us now Connecticut Governor ned lamont. The president went out of his way to offer this crazy medical advice. I dont want to spend a lot of time on this because there are more important things to talk to you about. Just as a governor of a state, do you worry about people in your state hearing this and thinking in a desperate situation, oh, lets try this . I worry about people hearing that and taking him literally and how dangerous that is. Im really struck by your last segment. Katies husband jonathan was a state employee. They met in danbury, connecticut, and he was a front line worker, he was an essential worker and he put himself at risk even though he had a kid at home who was at some risk as well. 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