Than at the prospect of impeachment. Think about that. Which may speak to Something Else beyond his greed and his grievance when deprived of a money making toy, namely how little pressure and sense responsibility the president is feeling right now. For wednesdays insurrection an attack on the seat of our democracy. Because lets not pretend here. With five people dead, a nation traumatized and the fbi warning there could be more to come so far, there has been no real reckoning. Until this weekend, the white house and federal buildings, there wasnt simple recognition that lives were lost in the attack, let alone a reckoning with it. Certainly not from the hospital. There were no daily briefings either from the acting attorney general, whoever he is these days, or the fbi director and from the White House Press secretary. Nothing on camera since this nonaccountability no questions asked moment last thursday. Now it is time for america to unite, to come together, to reject the violence that we have seen. We are one American People under god. Thank you very much. That was it from her. Nothing on camera from her since then. We did hear from the first lady who put out a statement today. In it she named the five killed and she condemned the violence. An election which was free and fair. No accountability there, nor from the republican marco rubio, a member of the Senate ForeignRelations Committee who called the insurrection disgusting, says it, quote, runs counter to everything he stands for. That said, hes against holding the president accountability because it would divide the country. So its unfortunate that instead of unifying us right now biden and the democrats have chosen to use this as an opportunity to talk about ridiculous things like lets impeach a president who isnt going to be in office in about nine days. The left has decided this is an opportunity to destroy the right. So if you ever voted for donald trump, if you ever supported anything he did, you are just as guilty as the people who went into that capitol. There is maria nodding her head just like she did in all those trump interviews. It is an unfortunate thing for senator rubio to say. No one is saying that anyone who ever supported President Trump is as guilty as those that attacked the capitol. 75 Million People voted for the president in the last election. Hard to imagine that most of them arent sickened by seeing thugs are bats and zip ties Beating Police officers and carrying Confederate Flags and talking about hanging the Vice President. What people are saying is there need to be kons agaiconsequencet we witnessed on wednesday. For the president and his enablers whose lies led to the attack. This wasnt some outrage of the week from this white house. That were used to, something we can just move along from. No, this has never happened in the history of this country, and it wouldnt have happened if not for the lives and actions and encouragement of this president. It is that simple. To make sure it never happens again, people need to be held accountable. This was mayhem and murder in the capital, instigated by the president and by this guy. If were wrong, we will be made fools of. But if were right, a lot of them will go to jail. So lets have trial by combat. Today the new York Bar Association said it is now looking into the possibility of expelli inling giuliani because lawyers arent supposed to incite violence. But arguments against holding the president accountable get even weaker than senator rubios. Remember after the first impeachment when senator Susan Collins said the president has learned his lesson and was unlikely to misbhooif again, that didnt hold up so well, did it. Imagine saying the exact same thing, only yesterday. Personal view is that the president touched the hot stove on wednesday and is unlikely to touch it again, and if thats the case, we get every day we get closer to the haas day of his presidency, we should be thinking more about the first day of the next presidency than the last day of his presidency. Look forward, not back says the senator who once pronounced himself, quote, deeply troubled by the long delayed bipartisan and authoritative report on the benghazi attacks. He wanted to work with my colleagues to uncover the attacks. But as far as an attack on the capit capitol by the president , dont worry, he is just a child that touched a hot stove. He wont do it again. In fact, his fellow republicans are talking about the real assault on democracy comes not from armed right wing mobs but instead from the social media platforms who no longer want anything to do with them. Unfortunately its far worse than what i could even imagine. The effect of this is that there is no longer a free and open social Media Company or site for any american to get on any longer. Because these big companies, apple, amazon, google, they have just destroyed what was likely parler is likely a billion dollar company. Poof, its gone. Until the pga took the president s tournament away, getting bounced from twitter was said to be the president s big grievance in the wake of the president s attack. Which is not like hes been muzzled or anything. He does have a Briefing Room right in his house. How many of us can say that . If the president wants to get a message out or a personal one like losing a golf tournament, he could just walk downstairs, turn on the lights and have it. Meantime, manu ra nu rnu raju ig that the president bearing some of the blame for wednesday. Mccarthy also said that trump acknowledged to him that he, meaning the president , bore some responsibility for the attack or the riot. With us now, Ohio Democratic senator brown. Senator brown, how believable is it in your view that President Trump acknowledged to congressman mccarthy that he bore some responsibility for what happened . I mean, beyond the fact the president hasnt done this publically, it would also, i guess, jeopardize his legal exposure in all this. After three years and 355 days, were going to start and not to mention his business past, his past as a private businessman were going to believe that hes going to take responsible for something and acknowledge anything thats his fault when he wont even say it . Of course we dont believe it. That we dont expect. What we need to do is hold him accountable and Kevin Mccarthy accountable. Cruz and hawley who should be expelled, hold them accountable, the six senators who voted who sided with the attackers with the terrorist after the tack, the 139 house members who sided with the terrorists after the attack on her democracy, on our capitol, thats and giulianis of the world and the eric trumps that incited the violence and the president of the United States. Of course thats why impeachment. You tweeted over the weekend, you said both josh hawley and senator ted cruz have betrayed their oaths of office. Im calling for their immediate resignations. Do you it is unlikely theyre going to resign or be expelled. What consequences do you believe, if any, they could actually face for their actions and the actions of the other people you spoke of . Well, the public humiliation doesnt seem to matter much. Even some of their allies. Senator hawleys mentor, senator danforth has said well, i dont remember the exact words, but that he wished he hadnt encouraged him to run for the senate. Theyre hearing that, but the senate as a body needs to take action. I know senator mcconnell wont. But if hes not going to resign, which he wont, they will continue to be like trump and take in responsibility for anything, even though we saw their words. We saw the picture of hawley who george will says there is a huge kaz m between his ambitious and his achievement then we should take action on expulsion. What would it say not just to the nation if there arent consequences for those who enabled a sitting president to attempt to overturn an election . Thats one of the fundamental reasons i believe we should impeach and we should expel those two senators and take some kind of action which we could discuss on the other 139 house members is our standing in the world. The greatest democracy people have seen and people are shaking their heads wondering about us, wondering about those awful, awful pictures. We see something on video, a new video every day of assaulting and kicking Police Officers. Theyre trying to crush another Police Officer. Theyre chasing an africanamerican Police Officer who should get great credit for heroism as many officers should against these white supremacist mobs. It should be who we are as a nation that we hold accountable the thugs that came into the capital, those who planned it and who were organized and clearly had training, planning to kill and those who incited and the aiders and abetters from cruz to jordan to hawley to all those senators that stood up and said there was still you know, biden may be president , but there was fraud. Well, every senator, every republican senator and house members needs to look into the camera and say joe biden is a legitimatically elected president. There was no fraud and im sorry the president lied about it. Every single one of them has a responsibility to do that to really restore democracy in the eyes of the American Public, most importantly but also, as you suggest, anderson, in the eyes of the world. What happens in the next i mean, how concerned are you about what may happen in the next two weeks, three weeks . Im very concerned about what happens leading up to the 20th. And on the 20th. Thats why Law Enforcement has to be absolutely ready. We know that a number of them and maybe more are coming back. We my colleagues have heard comments from passengers to terror reform people who had assaulted the capitol that were flying back to the states and heard their comments about theyre coming back on the 20th ready to go. Thats why they need to start now so they dont come back with guns and break the law and attack democracy again, that they will pay a serious, serious price. The people who incite them, the people who participate and the people who continue to aid and abet them. Finally on impeachment, i mean, unless pence decides to invoke the 25th amendment, the house is poised to impeach the president the second time. What sort of a time line would you want to see for a trial in the senate . There is talks of a senate mechanism to force a trial immediately. Is that realistic . What is the time line here . I think you do it immediately because you really do want to sn show that we are serious about accountability, that this was the most egregious heinous attack on the American Public that we have seen. But i also know that the senate can do two things at once. We still organize. We get our committees going. We begin to approve people like congresswoman fudge to be hud secretary and chairman of the economic down cell and janet yellen as treasury secretary and it means we move immediately on the next coronavirus package so we dont see mass evictions, peoples apartments in the middle of the winter in the middle of the pandemic. We need to do all of those things. Mitch mcconnell now has a senate that works about two and a half days a week. Were going to work harder. Were going to do more things. Were going to deliver for the country. We can do impeachment while were doing these other things that deal with this, to combat the coronavirus and rebuild the economy starting now, starting january 20th at noon. Senator brown, i appreciate your time. Thank you. Breaking news from the white house. I want to go to jim acosta for that. You have information about the relationship between the president and Vice President. Reporter yeah. We do know they had a meeting today. They had not spoken for several days in part because the Vice President and his team were so upset that trump did not reach out to pence during the siege on the capitol when Vice President pence was up there for that official tabulating of the electoral votes. I can tell you at this point, anderson, that theyre trying to mend that relationship. I talked to a source close to the Vice President this evening who said they are trying to turn down the temperature in this relationship between the president and the Vice President and that they feel like the point has been made, that they did make this concern known that the president did not reach out to the Vice President when she was essentially having his life threatened up on capitol hill last week. And at this point, what the Vice President and his team is saying, anderson, is theyre trying to send a message to the world that the u. S. Has a, quote, fully functioning government. The Vice President had a meeting with Covid Task Force earlier today and that sort of thing. But it is an extraordinary thing to say to a reporter, anderson, that what the Vice President and his team are going right now is trying to project to the world that this government is still operational, which i think speaks volumes. Yeah. I mean, is this government operational . Because it certainly doesnt seem to be from the outside. No. I mean, i think anderson when you look at how the president has behaved over the last several days, hes holed up behind closed doors. He is not coming out in front of the cameras. Obviously he doesnt want to take our questions right now. I talked to a source close to this white house earlier today who said the president does not feel any resource for what happened on january 6th. Now, of course, Kevin Mccarthy, the House Republican leader as you were just saying has been telling colleagues that he understands from the president that the president now feels like he bears some responsibility for all this. But anderson there is no way. Im not sure how much stock i would put in that. This is the take no responsibility president. I talked to two republican sources on the senate side this evening who said we have gotten zero indication that the president is taking responsibility for what happened here. Anderson, until the president comes out in the Briefing Room or in front of the reporters and takes responsibility publically, i think we should take all of that with a massive grain of salt. His first video message after seeing the images of what was going on, you know, said we love you. You know, you are very special people. Cnn chief political respondent joins us how. How do you square Kevin Mccarthy laying some of the blame of insurrection or saying the president is accepting some form of responsibility which seems highly dubious. Also still opposing impeachment and instead pursuing congressional censure. Does that send a Strong Enough message . There was a time and a place for censure. Its now passed as a result of what happened on the 6th. Were way beyond. Censure would be a wrapping of his knuckles. He needs more. He needs at minimum an albatross around him with an article of impeachment thats been voted by the house. Even if it doesnt pass the senate. So were way beyond a censure which is, as i say, a rather mild compromise thats often reached to get votes. And they have the votes in the house. Dana, do you buy this idea from Kevin Mccarthy . Do i buy the idea that they could think about a censure . No, no, sorry. That the president has remorse . No. No. I dont. Im with you and jim acosta in my skepticism for lots of reason. Not the least of which i spoej to people familiar with the president s thinking in the last 24 hours who say that there is no sense of remorse at all from the president. Maybe possibly he could be trying to look forward and hes less crazed about the notion of a stolen election. But as we know from our experience, lets just say that was the case with somebody he was talking to who i got information from. That could have been different five minutes later. Right. Because thats the me curiel nature of this president. John, cnn is reporting that bill barr, former attorney general both advised President Trump not to try to pardon himself. How bad an idea does something have to be for two of his ardent defenders to try to steer him away from . They may well have done that because they realized if he does it it will attract the attention of the department of justice to challenge their position developed back during the nixon years that no one can be a judge in his own case. The only way they can do that is with an indictment. I dont know that he will not be indicted otherwise. But i think if he doesnt follow that advice and does a selfpardon, i think its very likely he will be indicted is what theyre telling him. Dana, does it surprise you at all this reporting that the Vice President is attempting to, you you know, calm things down between him and the president or smooth things over. The reading was upbeat and a pence advisers saying the feeling is we made our point. What point is that exactly . Well, the point and should be that the president , you know, left the Vice President high and dry after inciting the mob to go there and in the videos that we have now seen actually calling for his head. And, you know, the point that the Vice President has been trying to make over the past, i dont know, week since last wednesday when he finally put out a statement saying that he would support the constitution and not be illegal action that the president wanted him to talk and not accepting the Ele