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CNNW At This Hour With Berman And Bolduan June 2, 2016

Hello, everyone. Im kate bolduan. And im john berman. In a few hours Hillary Clinton will fire a trumpseeking missile, maybe a few, in fact. The Clinton Campaign is billing this as a major speech in san diego designed to hammer the Presumptive Republican nominee on Foreign Policy. Her Senior Adviser tells cnn she will explain why she believes trump has dangerous ideas, and she believes hes unfit to be president. So one way shes going to counter that is clinton is expected to trumpet her record as secretary of state, but trump isnt waiting around. Already firing a preemptive strike slamming clintons Foreign Policy record and saying she has no actual talent. Cnns Jason Carroll is in california where the two candidates are squaring off. Jason, team clinton is building this speech up quite a bit. What are you learning about it . Reporter yeah, yeah. A lot of namecalling sort of going back and forth ahead of this speech. Jake sullivan, Hillary Clintons senior policy adviser, is the one who is really weighing in on this giving a lot of details about what were expecting to hear from clinton when she gives her speech in san diego. According to what he is saying, clinton will focus extensively on donald trump and what donald trump has said about Foreign Policy, and let me give you a quote here. He says clinton will rebuke a litany of dangerous policies that trump has espoused ranging from Nuclear Proliferation to endorsing war crimes, from denouncing nato to banning muslims from the united states. Thats just part of it. Sullivan also saying what you will hear in clintons speech is a confidence in america. He says a confidence that youre not hearing from trump going forward, and saying that clinton will talk about the countrys capacity to, quote, overcome challenges. He says a stark contrast to what trump has been doing and he called what trump has been saying, quote, incessant trash talking of america. So this is what will were expecting to hear from clinton when she takes the stage in san diego. You know, its interesting, jason, because overnight trump said he got a copy of Hillary Clintons speech which, frankly, i doubt. However what . He was sort of rebutting the speech already. What did he have to say . Reporter well, look, i mean, look, what hes trying to do is get ahead of this and trying to once again criticize clinton, basically quoting Bernie Sanders at one point saying that she has, quote, bad judgment, but if you really think about whats happening here, guys, its trump who is really going to be on the defense. Hes going to be on the defense about some of those comments he made about south korea and japan arming with Nuclear Weapons and a flipflop he did on that particular issue. Just want you to listen to some of the sound weve put together on that particular issue. They said i want japan to nuke. I want japan to get Nuclear Weapons. Give me a break. North korea has nukes. Japan has a problem with that. I mean, they have a big problem with that. Maybe they would be better off if they defend themselves from north korea. Why nukes . Including with nukes, yes, including with nukes. Reporter so clearly a bit of a flipflop on that issue and a little bit more on that, back in april in racine, wisconsin, i attended a trump event there as well where trump once again basically said the same thing about south korea and japan as well in terms of, you know, having arms. So trump is really going to have to do some explaining on that particular issue. Clinton expected to hit him hard on that issue as well. One of many to be sure. A lot going to happen today. Jason, thank you so much. Lets talk more about this right now with cnn political director david chalin jolan from washing. The timing of this speech were curious about. The fact shes in california, still fending off Bernie Sanders in a primary. Why give this National Security speech taking on trump now . Because as you can see from what shes been doing over the last several weeks, shes aware and dealing with the sanders challenge but shes been entirely focused on donald trump and i would say starting with her interview with chris cuomo where she for the first time said she assessed donald trump to be unqualified for the job, she has been making a sort of take down trump case every day. It is the message she is driving. Gone as the message of the day is the here is my plan on criminal justice reform, small round tables about immigration reform. Its not the message theyre driving anymore the way that they were during the nomination season. Right now the Clinton Campaign sees themselves in a window of time to try to discredit donald trump so that he is not seen as a real viable alternative to her come the fall. Thats what theyre trying to do. Its interesting because its a Foreign Policy National Security speech which, you know, for voters is not the top one, two, or three issue, is it, david . Well, its not, john. You know voters tend not to vote on National Security or Foreign Policy issues unless theres an event right around there. If you look at the polls right after San Bernardino and paris last fall, National Security was Foreign Policy was the top issue for voters. The economy is right now and jobs, and we know that people tend to vote absent a Big International crisis around an election, people tend to vote on more pocketbook issues, but yes, this is a National Security speech. Yes, shes going to contrast her Foreign Policy with his, but this is a character speech, right . She is using Foreign Policy, which in the last nbc wall street journal poll is seen as strength for her by some i think 27 points or something she beats him on handling Foreign Policy. Use something that she has experience in, but really to make the character assessment of donald trump that shes trying to sell to voters. I think youre right. I think Foreign Policy is a vessel here, something shes using to get Something Else with donald trump. David chalian, thank you so much. Hillary clinton doing this National Security speech today, and a lot of people talking about it, a lot of people writing about it including thomas freedman, the New York Times columnist, very famous. He was on new day this morning. Does anyone here believe please raise your hand that mexico is going to build a wall on this border . Does anyone believe that we can carpet bomb isis out of existence . That all that is missing is a few extra bombs . Is that telling it like it is. It sounds like straight talk. Its full of testosterone. Thats all it is. I heard your previous discussion all about how obama is weak p. Look, were in a world today, if im running for president and someone said who do we respond when the phone rings at 3 00 a. M. In the morning . Do you know what my answer is . Dont answer it. Thats what my answer is because we have never been in a world since i have been covering Foreign Policy, 35 years, that is as messy as it is now and why is it so messy . Because we have gone from having to manage strength, the strength of our opponents, the strength of our country, to managing weakness, and managing weakness, okay, weakness in allies, weakness in america, and weakness in countries that are falling apart. Were twhere the only option yo have is nation building and to rebuild them, that is hell on wheels. Lets discuss with our fanl. John jay la valle is a donald trump supporter. Susan dell pores del percio. Errol louis is a political commentator and political anchor. John jay lavell, lets start with you. You have three names, you get the three names. Susan del percio. Essentially said on the issue that is donald trump talks about on Foreign Policy a lot, for instance, you know, bombing the hell out of isis, building the wall, he just calls it bs. Your response . Well, hes not your traditional politician. The traditional politicians, they know what to say, they know how to say it. Donald trump its going to evolve and youre going to watch how he takes stances on issues, but taking National Security advice from Hillary Clinton, thats like taking Financial Investment advice from bernie madoff. You say evolve but does that mean saying different sides of the very same issue. Take the japan nukes. He said very clearly maybe japan should have nukes and last night he said, no, i never said that. Is that evolution or is that just total flipflopping . When he started the campaign, hes now bringing in people, theyre advertising him on the details, and hes youre going to see the positions hes going to take, but what were looking at is a candidate, his opposition, Hillary Clinton, who has supported a failed Foreign Policy. She has breached National Security. This is not the type of person that we want to stand behind. She had a great nights sleep when you say hes going to bring people in and he doesnt have his Foreign Policy positions yet . Hes going to learn them . Oh, no, he is laying them out, and did he that in his speech several weeks ago and hes going to continue to do so. But, you know, you have vind individuals who are career politicians. Theyre told what to to say, how to say it. This is a successful businessman who is looking at a country and were weak, and mr. Friedman was exactly right, talking about managing strength versus managing weakness. Were managing weakness because of a failed administration because of failed policies. We have to get america healthy again. We have to be healthy at home, and then we can become the positive influence that we always have been across this world. And where john is laying this out, pete, he says donald trump approaches this from an outsiders perspective. Hes not only contrary to the Foreign Policy views of Hillary Clinton. Hes also contrary to the Foreign Policy views of the man you work for, george w. Bush. He hits george w. Bush often on his Foreign Policy approach. How much of a concern is this, Donald Trumps Foreign Policy views, for the traditional republican voter . Well, its certainly a vulnerability and i think Hillary Clinton is trying to expose that. Shes trying to revach out to te more hawkish republicans in the party, more moderate republicans who detest donald trump and the idea that he could potentially be commander in chief and i think shes reaching out to independents. Weve seen that the who attacks, the character attacks havent worked against donald trump to this point. I think she needs to start making that pivot if she wants to touch on vulnerabilities to the who attacks, and thats what this is. This is the attack on the what, on where he stands. You say evolve but we need to know its what is it june now . Yes. And the election is in november. Where does he stand on these issues . How much more room does he have to evolve on the issue . What do you think, errol . Well, evolve might not be the right word. That is and thats an important thing. Yeah. He needs to settle on a policy and maybe stick to it. Theres nothing wrong with being simple or even, you know, sort of speaking in plain language. I think back to ronald reagan. Whats your policy with the soviet union . We win, they lose. Its clear, its understandable. Its not highflown language and then you sort of build on that scaffolding of a core principle. Whats missing here is the core principle. Until we get that people wont be able to make a solid judgment and trump leaves himself open to what Hillary Clinton is going to try to do today which is to disqualify him to say hes not even part of what has been a bipartisanship consensus for the last 70 years thats kept the peace and that you cant play with this. This is not something for negotiation or for flipflopping or for evolving or whatever you want to use. We need Core Principles so we know where this country is going to go. For a lot of people that makes him somebody who is outside the pale, that you cant vote for him. Its probably not a lot of people, but however many there are, Hillary Clinton wants them in her camp. Susan go ahead. But to follow up on that point, errol, i think the speech also does one two other things for Hillary Clinton. One, last week everyone was wondering is she going to punch back . How is she going to fight these attacks . Right. This is really she was waiting for a pitch. This is her kind of pitch. She can hit donald trump hard on Foreign Policy. Shes also to petes point trying to appeal to moderates and some hawkish republicans. Donald trumps response is to double down on his rhetoric. He needs to start broadening his support. It seems like hes still trying to get all of the republican support together instead of looking at ways to maybe bring down his negatives with women, to get other support. Hes not doing that, and thats what he really needs to do whether its on Foreign Policy, domestic policy. He must start appealing to a broader base of voters. Its interesting you say Hillary Clinton is trying to appeal to republicans and moderates here, but isnt there a risk perhaps, and Foreign Policy has changed so much over the last eight years, right . Hillary clinton voted for the iraq war and thats seen as a big weakness. Theres a big group in the Republican Party thats more isolationist than interventionist. Maybe being a hawk isnt what it used to be. I think you have to ask if you had a son or daughter going into the military, who would you want to be commander in chief leading them . Donald trump talks big about bombing isis and being very aggressive, but would you want him basically responsible for your child . Or do you want Hillary Clinton who is known as a hawk and has a more traditional Foreign Policy and would you trust her with basically your child going into war . John, do you think that this issue, Foreign Policy, is Donald Trumps weakest area . I think naturally its going to be. I mean, hes a businessman. Obviously hes an international businessman. But what you have to understand is the mindset of the individual. As a successful businessman, hes built his success on taking issues one at a time, bringing in the best and brightest minds. In his world the real estate world, and getting advice from the best and the brightest and then making a decision. Do you think hes getting the advice from the best and brightest on Foreign Policy . Were going to be talking who is among the best and the brightest. But those are the people that are now going into his camp and now advising him. Thats why im talking about evolving. Its evolving as the campaign evolves. Hillary clinton has hundreds of people on staff. Hes got a couple dozen people on staff. But what im saying is, you know, the traditional politician takes a position and loves to talk and loves to dig in and never wants to move because i dont want to be a flipflopper. The world could change. Donald trump is going to look at issues, bring the best and the brightest into the room, and then hes going to make a decision. Its not traditional politics, but traditional politics is failing america. Can i ask a question we need to be better. To both pete and susan. Its pretty much just a yes or no. You posed a very interesting question there. Fudd a son or daughter in the military, would you feel more comfortable with donald trump or Hillary Clinton. Im interested in your answers because youre both republicans with republican candidates and republican administrations. Who would you feel more comfortable . At this point i would say Hillary Clinton because donald trump doesnt have any policy and hes too erratic. Im worried what does he mean about just bombing isis . How is he going to give nukes to japan . Those are things that are not or allow them to have them. Those are big concerns. Lets say i struggle with it every day, and im not when we talked to you during the indiana primary. Absolutely. And there are Hillary Clinton is not the best messenger on Foreign Policy, but i dont necessarily see myself waking up in cold sweats that a misfired tweet is going to put us in a bad situation if shes come on, you have to give the yes or no. I did. It was hard. Take it. Yes or no. Today. Yes or no on hillary or trump. 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