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CNNW At This Hour With Berman And Bolduan August 18, 2016

Bolduan. We want to begin with breaking developments in what some are jokingly calling the next watergate and what could be turning into an international tugofwar. Two american swimmers yanked from their flight before it took off from rio to the United States after new questions have surfaced about their story about being robbed. Olympians jack konger and gunner brenz ordered to stay in brazil until they speak with authorities about what did or didnt happen. Gold medalist ryan lochte flew back to the United States before the judges order and now it appears he might be changing some of his story. Cnn Senior International correspondent Nick Paton Walsh is joining me live from rio along with cnn sports analyst christine brennan, both in rio for us this morning. Christine, first to you, what are you picking up what are you learning . I think weve got a realhand those stories where what happens is we start to hear rumors. We hear more rumors and pretty soon well have the facts. Im guessing we will soon have the fact because the three u. S. Swimmers still in the state are speaking with authorities we believe later this afternoon. Theyre in a rio hotel. Theyre with u. S. Olympic Committee People and they have Legal Counsel and my sense is they are going to be able to tell us what happened. Whether the gun to the head story is accurate or not or what other story may be the true story. So im sensing that a crazy 48 hours or so might eventually come to an end here if those three americans do tell their story and we get a chance to find out what really happened here in rio. Yeah, a crazy 48 hours. Its turned into, no joke, an international incident, nick. As things are lining up, as youve been following this story, it sounds like brazilian authorities dont believe the story they were originally told. No, we now have two sides who really dont want to shift from their positions theyve taken early on. To point out further to what christine was saying, were hearing from the hotel where they are staying that Police Arrived through a back entrance there earlier on. They left in a car that only contained the police, nobody else, and then slightly after that, those two swimmers then left their hotel. Weve also heard those two have in fact had their passports taken from them last night at the airport. That of course makes it incredibly difficult for them to under brazils eyes leave the country here. Were getting this broadening sense i think, as christine was saying, the narrative slowly beginning to explain itself. There may well be a lengthy statement from police down the line. Weve heard from a source close to the investigation echoing slightly what we heard from the court order that the investigation may not necessarily be convinced a robbery took place here at all. We know the court was trying to assess further whether or not a false Police Report had been filed. Ryan lochtes lawyer says he has cooperated with anybody who asked him for information. That they will continue to do so. As of yesterday, when we got that statement, they said we havent within approached again for further information. Its become an international incident. The issue is brazil doesnt really want the idea as the swimmer suggested to be held publicly accepted that men disguised as Police Officers committed this Armed Robbery after they left the nightclub in the early hours of sunday morning. The swimmers have suggested that very adamantly, theyve tweaked slightly their story. Heres one discrepancy which Nbcs Matt Lauer heard about when speaking to mr. Lochte just yesterday it. He said thats when the guy pointed the gun in my direction and cocked it. And i pointedly said to him, you had said before it was placed on your forehead and cocked. He said no, thats not exactly what happened. I think he feels it was more of a traumatic mischaracterization. I think people listening at home might feel that was embellishment. Where are we going to go with this . Well, the obvious answer lies with what the Police Investigation deems has occurred and whether or not the swimmers say they agree with that. Mr. Lochte is in the u. S. Unlikely hell come back of his own free will. The three here theyre not facing necessarily if it turns out there was something misleading going on here, a massively huge misdemeanor. Still, its the public blicity d this, pitting these athletes against brazilian authorities thats made it an embarrassment for everyone, frankly. Just to the point that nick just ended on, it is not known what the answer is, thats obviously why theyre trying to get more information. If, as brazilian authorities seem to be leaning to believe they made this story up, if they made it up, how much trouble could they be in . Well, they could be in serious trouble. This would be a false report case. Just give you an example. Here in the United States if you falsely report a serious crime like a felony, you can be guilty of a felony. In brazil, if it were a sworn statement that was signed, and there are some reports that he signed a sworn statement, if that turns out to be a lie, that could be a serious crime under brazilian law. Help mig he might be facing as much as three years in jail. So it could be a serious matter if brazilian authorities put something together here. Now, the other thing i wanted to mention was, i think theres an argument theres more than one discrepancy. Matt lauer talked about the gun on the head. When i read the statement that lochte made, he didnt say that the gun was placed on his head. He he was a little vague about that. A good lawyer could argue he was just saying the gun was pointed at his head as opposed to actually touching it. The brazilian authorities are point to inappropriate behavior in the video. What do you see in that video . I see what looks to be inappropriate behavior for somebody whos just been robbed and almost had their life taken by people posing as Police Officers. It doesnt look right. But these are kids of course i mean, theyre young, theyre exuberant because they just won, you know, medals. There may be an explanation. Its now how a normal person would react in the aftermath of a serious robbery in a foreign country. Why there are continued questions here. Christine, beyond the legal fallout, whats the fallout for the biggest name here, ryan lochte . If it would come out they made this story up, you think it could be pretty big . Kate, yes. If the story is made up, big if, if the story is made up, i dont know any sponsor who would ever want to be attached to ryan lochte again. Hes 32. Hes won 12 medals. Wat one of the most decorated olympians ever. Happy go lucky guy. He wants to have a career after this. And while there are other issues that seem far bigger as in International Relations in these Olympic Games and the image of these games, when we kind of drill down to ryan and his future, if this is made up, kate, he is i cannot imagine any sponsor would ever want to be near him and the u. S. Olympic committee which of course uses all its olympic athletes to come back, why would they ever be involved with him again, again, if this story is made up. And that raises the stakes. One question Nick Paton Walsh was also getting at this, this type of crime, its a problem in rio. Theres a lot of talk about this leading up to the games. And brazil know, that. Rio officials know that. Do you think that is part of whats behind the Public Perception of what this incident with such highprofile people, the Public Perception of it, is that behind a strong, such an aggressive response . This is an aggressive response to Armed Robbery. Bear in mind the brazilian authorities are very sensitive to the reputation of their Police Forces for being fair and enforcing the law as it should be enforced. Prior to the olympics, they were doing raids on these povertystricken neighborhoods around rio to clean up rio to make it safe for the olympics. And they were very proud that by the time the olympics started, they had largely succeeded in that effort. So now a crime like this committcommit ed allegedly by olympic athletes would kind of and, you know, theres always this ting of antiamericanism. Its kind of nice to bring the big bad United States down if they are defaming your country by saying the police cant enforce the law properly. So there may be a lot of that playing in, you know, Police Forces are very aggressive in brazil and its not a place you want to get in trouble with the law. Christine says it seems like the parts that are moving, theyre moving fast now and there could be developments in the coming hour. 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Natures bounty happening today, Hillary Clinton set to meet with a group of prominent Law Enforcement officials from some of the nations biggest cities including new york and los angeles. A clinton aide telling cnn that they will discuss challenges for Police Across comes just days a donald trump accused her of being prejudiced against Police Officers and after milwaukee became the latest city to erupt in protest after a Police Involved shooting. Donald trump and his top lieutenants taking the show on the road in the first major event and first big test since the candidates shook up his campaign hierarchy. Hes heading to the battleground state of North Carolina for a rally tonight in charlotte. Cnn politics report sara murray has the very latest on donald trump and the overhaul. So, sara, what are you hearing, what trump are we going to hear tonight . Well, look, kate, we knew donald trump wanted to take his campaign in a new direction. Will we see that new direction tonight . That is an entirely different question. Hes be campaigning in North Carolina. Were hearing hes going to be delivering prepared remarks. This sounds more like the teleprompter trump. More like this establishment trump that Paul Manafort had been working towards. I think youre seeing the fact that the new deputies brought on board, steve bannon and Kellyanne Conway are trying to walk a fine line. They want trump to this have blunt, straighttalking style, but they want him to go after Hillary Clinton on the issues. Whether its dealing with isis. Whether its obamacare. So we will see if hes able to stick to this message of law and order tonight and still rally a crowd when hes speaking from prepared remarks, kate. Absolutely, sara, thanks. Now get back at it. Sara just ran in, shes still busy. Kellyanne conway telling cnn the controversial new campaign ceo steve bannon is just the person trump needs driving the train right now. Ill tell you what donald trump needs, he needs people who are like him in this sense, you have to be unapologetically, unflinchingly unafraid of Hillary Clinton and bill clinton and all that Clinton Campaign means. Because we feel like were up against a major machine here. And we you know, you need people girded for battle who are at least willing to, as we like to say, leave it all on the field, give it our best shot. Lets talk about this. Joining me carl higby, donald trump supporter and former navy s. E. A. L. Sara johnson, a former official during the 2012 campaign. The former Communications Director for cruz campaign. And espinoza, a Hillary Clinton supporter and head of progress texas. Mark preston, we heard from Kellyanne Conway, leave it all on the field, you got to be unleashed. So it sounds like even though we heard from murray just now, he will be speaking from prepared remarks. Unleash trump. Whats that going to look like . Well, you know, its interesting. Yesterday. Its going to look much different. We were talking about bannon who is basically the head of the campaign right now. Kellyanne conway plays an important role. Shes very well known in establishment politics. Shes a very good pollster. If anyone has not seen the interview she did this morning on new day, you should watch it because it shows how shes going to try to make trump comfortable with himself at the same time, giving him enough rope to try to do what he wants to do. The bottom line is Kelly Anne Conways job is going to be make trump feel comfortable to go out and sell his message. At the same time, though, he will then turn to her for advice. Believe me, hes going to need a lot of advice on the road because shes going to be traveling with him everywhere to try to keep him on message. No question it seems that Kelly Anne Conway is the best messenger that trump has. We saw that prior to her promotion and we saw that this morning. But, carl, when it comes down to it, a new donald trump, if he wasnt unleashed already, then what was the donald trump we were watching to this point . No, your right. What we saw, donald trump was the 100 watt light bulb shooting rays in every direction. Now Kellyanne Conway will take him so he can cut steel youre confident in that . Im confident. I think he was trying to bring the gap between establishment and his true base. When you bring in bannon, hes the guy trump needs to get on the offense. Carl acknowledges he dipped in the polls. That he dipped in the polls. Wow, thats amazing. Kellyanne conway also talked about the polls and said something very interesting about being down in the polls. She said its a motivator. She said, i think it helps us to be a little bit behind. It lights a fire under us. It reminds us of what we need to do to get this done. Do you agree . Absolutely. It does. Being behind gives you a little street fighting enthusiasm. A little behind or 14 points in battleground states behind . Lets just say she answers that question a lot better than michael cohen. Kellyanne conway brings a lot to the table. Her background he experience. She can tell donald trump who to attack and who to attract. She understands we need to attack Hillary Clinton for her support of obamacare and her ideas to expand it. Her failures in terms of Foreign Policy and inability to recognize radical islamic terrorism. And also the need to attract women, first and foremost that is one of her areas of expertise. Romney had the ten points down in the gender gap with obama. And mccain even more so. Its incumbent upon trump to bridge the gender gap and she can help do that quite a bit. Also indepen

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