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CNNW At This Hour With Berman And Michaela December 25, 2014
Weve got a report for you. Didnt find everything you were looking for under your tree in the pre
Holiday Shopping
either . Guess what . You might be in luck. There are mega, mega deals to be had tomorrow that you cannot afford to miss. You know what . Theyre not your every day after christmas sales either. Were talking almost everything off. Its all now. Hi everybody. Merry christmas. Im ashleigh banfield. So nice to be with you. John berman and
Michaela Pereira
are off with their families today. We have all those stories i just told you about and a whole lot more. Lets talk with the comedy, after a massive hack attack, a lockout by major theaters and even prodding by the white house, the movie now famously called the interview has finally hit big screens and small screens, too. Leading man seth rogen and director
Evan Goldberg
dropped in on a screening early today in l. A. At one of about 300 independently owned theaters that have agreed to show the controversial film. If it wasnt for theaters like this and people like you guys, this literally would not be happening right now. [ cheers and applause ] the salty christmas language. How about that. Raising the curtain is not without risk, folks. The movie is about a fictitious plot to assassinate north koreas dictator. It has certainly sparked warnings, not just for those hacking
North Koreans
, but also by the fbi of possible retribution by supporters of pyongyang including online hacks and even as far as criminal violence. Rosa florez joins me outside a theater in manhattan that is going to be showing actually the lights have probably gone off on that one. Youve seen the people who showed up early to take in this movie. What are they saying about it . Reporter the first thing they say, ashli lfrnltseigh, a t of people didnt think this movie would make a marquee in the
United States
. Now we know more than 300 theaters around the country, like this independent theater, small theatre. This particular theater has seven showings today. You can see the movie poster right here. This is fresh off the presses. It just actually went up. You pay 12, you can go into this theater. Here is one of the fascinating things. People here say they want to laugh really hard and they hope they can do that with their 12 at the door. Then they say this is part of what they say is a patriotic duty. Theres support for freedom of speech. I talked to a very interesting couple. I want you to hear what the husband had to say about buying the tickets at home. Take a listen. When we ordered the tickets, we ordered it online, and my wife decided that maybe i should use my credit card rather than hers over this issue. But i think its pretty unlikely as well. It takes a lot of work to hack, and usually they hack central sources to do it. You can go after a
Corporation Like
sony or other people. But to go after specific individuals who order tickets online is not worth it and not a lot of fun for hackers anyway. Reporter of course because of the controversy surrounding this film, thats what some folks are talking about, possible hacks, possible attacks at theaters that are showing this film. Ashleigh, a lot of people are using cash instead of a credit card to be on the safe side. Good thing you mentioned that. We have a security analyst coming up in a few moments that will talk about the security issues, not just the criminal violence but also the hacking threats. While ive got you there, rosa, ill ask you to ask your photo journalist to pan around for a moment. Yesterday i spoke with john miller of the nypd who said, yes, if there are theaters in new york showing the movie, we will have a presence of the nypd there. Not like a massive s. W. A. T. Presence, but we want people to know theyre safe. Did you see that evidence when you arrived there today . Reporter take a look around. You can see right now theres actually no one at the box office, actually just one person. You dont see nypd anywhere. You dont see a police presence. You dont see what you were just talking about moments ago. Here is what we do know, ashley, the fbi emailed this theater and other theaters around the country. They called the theaters. New
York City Police
also made a presence here and why was the reason behind that . Here is what happened. Theyre giving theaters information about how to identify suspects, how to identify suspect activity. Theyre giving them posters so they can put on some of these theaters letting people know what they should be looking for, the height and weight of a person, what theyre wearing, specifics about vehicleses so they can report suspect activity. We dont see nypd around. Its been very safe, very quiet. People just wanting to go to the movies. Maybe its annish issue of a lot of theaters decidinging to join the bandwagon. When you get hundreds, the threat is somewhat diminished. Rosa, keep an eye on things and give us the reviews after the moviegoers come out. Rosa florez live on this
Christmas Day
. You got the good assignment, too, my friend. Rosa was talking about this, fbi and department of
Homeland Security
issuing the joint bulletin to theaters and also to
Law Enforcement
agencies around the country. The
Law Enforcement
sources tell cnn there have been no new threats from whomever it was sending out all that ugly and hostile language before. I want to bring in our intelligence and security analyst bob behr. Im not sure which threat anyone should be more concerned about, the possibility of facing criminal violence at a theater that decided to air this or the possibility of facing some cyber threat because were all using our credit cards perhaps to buy the tickets, using the cred credit cards to go online and watch the movie, does that open the pipeline to being hacked. Cyber threats is what we should be worried about. I dont think were done with this with north korea. After our interview yesterday i got a text at
Homeland Security
i was very critical of
Homeland Security
. He said, uhoh, you better watch your email. It was funny. I think its where we have to worry about another cyber bomb. North korea has no way to project power to the
United States
except going after us through the internet. But you know something, i always like to come back to that old adage, the strength in numbers. If there are virtually millions of people who either decide to go out and use their credit card to see this movie at a theater or download the movie from various different digital avenues, does it become a little harder to attack that army of consumerism . I think the big mistake in this is for sony to have originally said anything about pulling the movie or the theaters. I think they should have just forged ahead. Said, listen, if the fee ters wont show it, well put it online. Thats the way to defeat a dick they toreship like north korea. We have the
First Amendment
and freedom of speech. We have to fight that at all levels. For google and microsoft to put this out online and these theaters is really sort of it is a patriotic end. Is it possible that if these hackers decide to do something more retributive and start rehabbing attacking whoever might be showing the movie or purchasing the movie online, does that perhaps open them up to increased pipelines of investigation, meaning theyre sending themselves out there and putting themselves out there more and more and more, and it gets a little easier to be caught . They also make it more sophisticated, that they can mask these attacks, lawn ch them from anywhere in the world, using different coding and the rest of it. They can probably hide this. Its the anonymity in these attacks that make them so difficult to respond to. But on the other hand, i think if you look to motivation, clearly they were upset about this movie. We all know they were. Who else could it be except north korea . One other quick question. Im sure you were looking at that live shot as i had rosa florez on just before you at a manhattan theater, and despite the fact that nypd said this is a work in progress, last minute, the announcement of the interview was in the last day and a half. Are you surprised there wasnt pris presence outside of at least that theater . Theres always the possibility of physical violence. The
North Koreans
really dont have a network in this country. That was sort of beyond their range. I think alerting the theaters, and there may have been somebody under cover. Exactly as you said, you cant send squads to these theater es and post them out front and scare people. I think this was handled at the right level. Ultimately theres no way to protect the
Movie Theater
short of putting in metal detectors and what have you. I think the response is right. Im happy weve gotten through this so far. Ever since i was about 14 years old or so, i began to sleep in on christmas, and i could not believe the number of people i actually saw going to a movie at 10 00 this morning on christmas morning. But im glad you woke up early in california to be on the show with us. Can you stick around . Of course. Lovely. Merry christmas. Merry christmas. Ahead this hour, the
United States
says it was not isis, the group that shot down a coalition plane, no. But that terror group is claiming they did that and also holding a jordanian pilot captive. Were going to settle the score on this story and the rumors. Latest from the region in a moment. Its another uhoh at the centers for disease control. This time a lab tech may have been exposed to ebola. Is there an internal safety problem going on there . Because once you hear the list of whats been going on there and the mistakes that have been made in just the last year, you may shake your head. Back after this. Im colonel mark burnett, serving here in kuwait. Id like to wish a
Merry Christmas
to my mother and my brother in madison, wisconsin. Merry christmas everybody. [ kevin ] this is connolly, cameron, zach, and clementine. We have a serious hairball issue. We clean it up, turn around, and there it is again. Its scary. Little bit in my eye. [ michelle ] underneath the kitchen table, underneath my work desk, weve got enough to knit a sweater. [ doorbell rings ] zach, what is that . The swiffer sweeper. The swiffer dusters. Its some sort of magic cloth that sucks in all the dog hair. Its quick and easy. Pretty amazing that it picked it all up. I would totally take on another dog. [ kevin ] really . [ kevin ] really . How youre going to survive ianother harsh winter,d or stay dry from torrential rain showers, or savor the last warm rays of sun. Step inside the jeepĀ® grand cherokee. And wonder no more. This is the jeepĀ® grand cherokee. The most awarded suv ever. Wellqualified lessees can lease the 2015 grand
Cherokee Laredo
for 369 a month. Is a really big deal. U with aches, fever and chills theres no such thing as a little flu. So why treat it like its a little cold . Theres something that works differently than overthecounter remedies. Attack the flu virus at its source with prescription tamiflu. And call your doctor right away. Tamiflu is fda approved to treat the flu in people 2 weeks and older whose flu symptoms started within the last two days. Before taking tamiflu tell your doctor if youre pregnant, nursing, have
Serious Health
conditions, or take other medicines. If you develop an allergic reaction, a severe rash, or signs of unusual behavior, stop taking tamiflu and call your doctor immediately. Children and adolescents in particular may be at an increased risk of seizures, confusion or abnormal behavior. The most common side effects are mild to moderate nausea and vomiting. Ask your doctor about tamiflu and attack the flu virus at its source. Translator he is now in the hands of
Islamic State
fighters. I dont want to describe him as a hostage. Hes a guest. I asked them in the name of god and i ask for the dignity of the prophet muhammad, peace be upon him, to receive him as a guest and treat him well. That is hard to watch, the father of a jordanian pilot, pleading with the people with isis, those militants, to put mercy in their hearts and release his son back to him. The 26yearold was captured yesterday when his plane went down during a mission over the selfproclaimed isis capital of rack ka in syria. Isis claimed it had shot the plane down but not so fast. The
United States
military says, quote, evidence clearly indicates, end quote, that militants did not take down that aircraft. U. S. Central command adding this, quote, we will support efforts to ensure his safe recovery and will not tolerate isils attempts to misrepresent or exploit this unfortunate aircraft crash for their own purposes. Joining me live, our pentagon correspondent
Barbara Starr
and
National Security
analyst and former cii operative bob baer is back with us. Barbara, first to you, the americans are quick to clarify that they didnt shoot the plane down, that they dont have that kind of capacity. The question becomes, is that propaganda . What would happen with the coalition if they knew there were capacities for isis to start fighting their pilots from the air . Look, i think everybody pretty much understands that its a great likelihood that some isis fighters do have shoulder fired surfacetoair missiles. Is the u. S. Putting out propaganda . Is the u. S. Flat out telling a bold lie . I dont think the fourstar commander of the u. S. Central command would allow any statement to go out in his name, general lloyd austin, unless he was 100 sure of his facts. Hes saying the statement went out in his name, hes saying isis did not bring it down, they did not shoot it down. We doublechecked and triple checked, other military sources saying the
Syrian Regime
did not shoot it down. The question is what did bring this plane down . Was it a mechanical error . Was it some type of pilot error situation . Was there
Something Else
that brought it down . How would they know . Theres only so many ways they would know this. Either the pilot made a mayday call or they track a combat aircraft throughout a mission. They might have seen something in terms of some sort of mechanical failure, some sort of radar that told them there was a problem with the plane. I think its very unlikely that the u. S. Military put something out so adamant and so specific unless it was sure what it was talking about. Well, the kingdom of jordan certainly has a very sophisticated air force. Perhaps theyve got that kind of technology and shared it quickly. I have a question for you about what the americans said. We will support efforts to ensure his safe recovery. There was a lot of video that accompanied that hostage taking. And video in the past with those executions of journalists and hostages has been very helpful in determining location and even identities. We dont even have anybody masked. There are people completely unmasked and crowing about this hostage grabbing. Is that something the pentagon is talking about . Is that something theyre using right now to try to track that hostages whereabouts . What we also know, typical operating procedure, bob knows this better than anybody, when a combat aircraft is in action, there are intelligence assets that watch that aircraft throughout a mission. They saw where it went down. They couldnt get to the pilot because isis very quickly, these fighters were on him and grabbed him. This is rack ka. The problem is, of course, there are no
Coalition Personnel
on the ground. This is the isis stronghold and isis knows it. Perhaps theyre not terribly afraid to show their faces. Its going to be very tough to get him back with any kind of brute force. Theres always the option of trying to send in a rescue force. But in the middle of isisheld territory that might be a very tough proposition. Bob, jump in there. It is hard enough to get the civilian hostages back. Many of them presumably being held in and around the stronghold of raqqa. Is there a difference when the hostage is a soldier and then, while were talking about that, not an american soldier . No, theres going to be no difference. Jordan is our ally in this. Well do everything we can to get that pilot back. The problem is, the longer it goes on, the more likely it is that the
Islamic State
has moved him someplace secure. Without radios, its difficult to see from overhead, in a builtup area, for instance, in raqqa or even in the desert. I think theyre getting very good at this. I think the chances of getting him back any time soon are fairly remote, at least by rescue. Now, the jordanians do have the spiritual leader of the
Islamic State
, the true spiritual leader in jail in jordan. Are they going to negotiate for his release . They may do that, in fact. Well just have to wait and see. Im sure that will all be done under cloak and very, very quietly if its done at all. Spoiz the question i have for you is when you said america will do everything it can again, we will support efforts to ensure his safe recovery. What exactly is that . What is everything we can . Well, it would have to be, of course, a commando raid once they with fair certainty know where he is. In raqqa . A commando made with american troops . Lets never forget abad bad, in a pakistani town, we had incredible assets, bring an incredible amount of force to a small area like that. You send a couple hundred people in like that, we could probably do it. The question always is intelligence. The military likes to go in with what they call eyes on, they can actually see the hostage. They dont like to go in and take an empty building. The chance of getting, as barbara said, getting that intelligence is fairly remote, almost none. Barbara, weve had some successes and failures with these commandostyle raids to free hostages. In the most recent one, two hostages were killed. Does america and perhaps this is the question pentagon the mulling about, would they have the stomach for losing american commandos to rescue a jordanian pilot . Its not really a question of whether the pentagon has the stomach for it. U. S. Military forces, special force, they are part of this coalition. If the president of it sounds trite, but its actually true. If the president of the
Holiday Shopping<\/a> either . Guess what . You might be in luck. There are mega, mega deals to be had tomorrow that you cannot afford to miss. You know what . Theyre not your every day after christmas sales either. Were talking almost everything off. Its all now. Hi everybody. Merry christmas. Im ashleigh banfield. So nice to be with you. John berman and
Michaela Pereira<\/a> are off with their families today. We have all those stories i just told you about and a whole lot more. Lets talk with the comedy, after a massive hack attack, a lockout by major theaters and even prodding by the white house, the movie now famously called the interview has finally hit big screens and small screens, too. Leading man seth rogen and director
Evan Goldberg<\/a> dropped in on a screening early today in l. A. At one of about 300 independently owned theaters that have agreed to show the controversial film. If it wasnt for theaters like this and people like you guys, this literally would not be happening right now. [ cheers and applause ] the salty christmas language. How about that. Raising the curtain is not without risk, folks. The movie is about a fictitious plot to assassinate north koreas dictator. It has certainly sparked warnings, not just for those hacking
North Koreans<\/a>, but also by the fbi of possible retribution by supporters of pyongyang including online hacks and even as far as criminal violence. Rosa florez joins me outside a theater in manhattan that is going to be showing actually the lights have probably gone off on that one. Youve seen the people who showed up early to take in this movie. What are they saying about it . Reporter the first thing they say, ashli lfrnltseigh, a t of people didnt think this movie would make a marquee in the
United States<\/a>. Now we know more than 300 theaters around the country, like this independent theater, small theatre. This particular theater has seven showings today. You can see the movie poster right here. This is fresh off the presses. It just actually went up. You pay 12, you can go into this theater. Here is one of the fascinating things. People here say they want to laugh really hard and they hope they can do that with their 12 at the door. Then they say this is part of what they say is a patriotic duty. Theres support for freedom of speech. I talked to a very interesting couple. I want you to hear what the husband had to say about buying the tickets at home. Take a listen. When we ordered the tickets, we ordered it online, and my wife decided that maybe i should use my credit card rather than hers over this issue. But i think its pretty unlikely as well. It takes a lot of work to hack, and usually they hack central sources to do it. You can go after a
Corporation Like<\/a> sony or other people. But to go after specific individuals who order tickets online is not worth it and not a lot of fun for hackers anyway. Reporter of course because of the controversy surrounding this film, thats what some folks are talking about, possible hacks, possible attacks at theaters that are showing this film. Ashleigh, a lot of people are using cash instead of a credit card to be on the safe side. Good thing you mentioned that. We have a security analyst coming up in a few moments that will talk about the security issues, not just the criminal violence but also the hacking threats. While ive got you there, rosa, ill ask you to ask your photo journalist to pan around for a moment. Yesterday i spoke with john miller of the nypd who said, yes, if there are theaters in new york showing the movie, we will have a presence of the nypd there. Not like a massive s. W. A. T. Presence, but we want people to know theyre safe. Did you see that evidence when you arrived there today . Reporter take a look around. You can see right now theres actually no one at the box office, actually just one person. You dont see nypd anywhere. You dont see a police presence. You dont see what you were just talking about moments ago. Here is what we do know, ashley, the fbi emailed this theater and other theaters around the country. They called the theaters. New
York City Police<\/a> also made a presence here and why was the reason behind that . Here is what happened. Theyre giving theaters information about how to identify suspects, how to identify suspect activity. Theyre giving them posters so they can put on some of these theaters letting people know what they should be looking for, the height and weight of a person, what theyre wearing, specifics about vehicleses so they can report suspect activity. We dont see nypd around. Its been very safe, very quiet. People just wanting to go to the movies. Maybe its annish issue of a lot of theaters decidinging to join the bandwagon. When you get hundreds, the threat is somewhat diminished. Rosa, keep an eye on things and give us the reviews after the moviegoers come out. Rosa florez live on this
Christmas Day<\/a>. You got the good assignment, too, my friend. Rosa was talking about this, fbi and department of
Homeland Security<\/a> issuing the joint bulletin to theaters and also to
Law Enforcement<\/a> agencies around the country. The
Law Enforcement<\/a> sources tell cnn there have been no new threats from whomever it was sending out all that ugly and hostile language before. I want to bring in our intelligence and security analyst bob behr. Im not sure which threat anyone should be more concerned about, the possibility of facing criminal violence at a theater that decided to air this or the possibility of facing some cyber threat because were all using our credit cards perhaps to buy the tickets, using the cred credit cards to go online and watch the movie, does that open the pipeline to being hacked. Cyber threats is what we should be worried about. I dont think were done with this with north korea. After our interview yesterday i got a text at
Homeland Security<\/a> i was very critical of
Homeland Security<\/a>. He said, uhoh, you better watch your email. It was funny. I think its where we have to worry about another cyber bomb. North korea has no way to project power to the
United States<\/a> except going after us through the internet. But you know something, i always like to come back to that old adage, the strength in numbers. If there are virtually millions of people who either decide to go out and use their credit card to see this movie at a theater or download the movie from various different digital avenues, does it become a little harder to attack that army of consumerism . I think the big mistake in this is for sony to have originally said anything about pulling the movie or the theaters. I think they should have just forged ahead. Said, listen, if the fee ters wont show it, well put it online. Thats the way to defeat a dick they toreship like north korea. We have the
First Amendment<\/a> and freedom of speech. We have to fight that at all levels. For google and microsoft to put this out online and these theaters is really sort of it is a patriotic end. Is it possible that if these hackers decide to do something more retributive and start rehabbing attacking whoever might be showing the movie or purchasing the movie online, does that perhaps open them up to increased pipelines of investigation, meaning theyre sending themselves out there and putting themselves out there more and more and more, and it gets a little easier to be caught . They also make it more sophisticated, that they can mask these attacks, lawn ch them from anywhere in the world, using different coding and the rest of it. They can probably hide this. Its the anonymity in these attacks that make them so difficult to respond to. But on the other hand, i think if you look to motivation, clearly they were upset about this movie. We all know they were. Who else could it be except north korea . One other quick question. Im sure you were looking at that live shot as i had rosa florez on just before you at a manhattan theater, and despite the fact that nypd said this is a work in progress, last minute, the announcement of the interview was in the last day and a half. Are you surprised there wasnt pris presence outside of at least that theater . Theres always the possibility of physical violence. The
North Koreans<\/a> really dont have a network in this country. That was sort of beyond their range. I think alerting the theaters, and there may have been somebody under cover. Exactly as you said, you cant send squads to these theater es and post them out front and scare people. I think this was handled at the right level. Ultimately theres no way to protect the
Movie Theater<\/a> short of putting in metal detectors and what have you. I think the response is right. Im happy weve gotten through this so far. Ever since i was about 14 years old or so, i began to sleep in on christmas, and i could not believe the number of people i actually saw going to a movie at 10 00 this morning on christmas morning. But im glad you woke up early in california to be on the show with us. Can you stick around . Of course. Lovely. Merry christmas. Merry christmas. Ahead this hour, the
United States<\/a> says it was not isis, the group that shot down a coalition plane, no. But that terror group is claiming they did that and also holding a jordanian pilot captive. Were going to settle the score on this story and the rumors. Latest from the region in a moment. Its another uhoh at the centers for disease control. This time a lab tech may have been exposed to ebola. Is there an internal safety problem going on there . Because once you hear the list of whats been going on there and the mistakes that have been made in just the last year, you may shake your head. Back after this. Im colonel mark burnett, serving here in kuwait. Id like to wish a
Merry Christmas<\/a> to my mother and my brother in madison, wisconsin. Merry christmas everybody. [ kevin ] this is connolly, cameron, zach, and clementine. We have a serious hairball issue. We clean it up, turn around, and there it is again. Its scary. Little bit in my eye. [ michelle ] underneath the kitchen table, underneath my work desk, weve got enough to knit a sweater. [ doorbell rings ] zach, what is that . The swiffer sweeper. The swiffer dusters. Its some sort of magic cloth that sucks in all the dog hair. Its quick and easy. Pretty amazing that it picked it all up. I would totally take on another dog. [ kevin ] really . [ kevin ] really . How youre going to survive ianother harsh winter,d or stay dry from torrential rain showers, or savor the last warm rays of sun. Step inside the jeep\u00ae grand cherokee. And wonder no more. This is the jeep\u00ae grand cherokee. The most awarded suv ever. Wellqualified lessees can lease the 2015 grand
Cherokee Laredo<\/a> for 369 a month. Is a really big deal. U with aches, fever and chills theres no such thing as a little flu. So why treat it like its a little cold . Theres something that works differently than overthecounter remedies. Attack the flu virus at its source with prescription tamiflu. And call your doctor right away. Tamiflu is fda approved to treat the flu in people 2 weeks and older whose flu symptoms started within the last two days. Before taking tamiflu tell your doctor if youre pregnant, nursing, have
Serious Health<\/a> conditions, or take other medicines. If you develop an allergic reaction, a severe rash, or signs of unusual behavior, stop taking tamiflu and call your doctor immediately. Children and adolescents in particular may be at an increased risk of seizures, confusion or abnormal behavior. The most common side effects are mild to moderate nausea and vomiting. Ask your doctor about tamiflu and attack the flu virus at its source. Translator he is now in the hands of
Islamic State<\/a> fighters. I dont want to describe him as a hostage. Hes a guest. I asked them in the name of god and i ask for the dignity of the prophet muhammad, peace be upon him, to receive him as a guest and treat him well. That is hard to watch, the father of a jordanian pilot, pleading with the people with isis, those militants, to put mercy in their hearts and release his son back to him. The 26yearold was captured yesterday when his plane went down during a mission over the selfproclaimed isis capital of rack ka in syria. Isis claimed it had shot the plane down but not so fast. The
United States<\/a> military says, quote, evidence clearly indicates, end quote, that militants did not take down that aircraft. U. S. Central command adding this, quote, we will support efforts to ensure his safe recovery and will not tolerate isils attempts to misrepresent or exploit this unfortunate aircraft crash for their own purposes. Joining me live, our pentagon correspondent
Barbara Starr<\/a> and
National Security<\/a> analyst and former cii operative bob baer is back with us. Barbara, first to you, the americans are quick to clarify that they didnt shoot the plane down, that they dont have that kind of capacity. The question becomes, is that propaganda . What would happen with the coalition if they knew there were capacities for isis to start fighting their pilots from the air . Look, i think everybody pretty much understands that its a great likelihood that some isis fighters do have shoulder fired surfacetoair missiles. Is the u. S. Putting out propaganda . Is the u. S. Flat out telling a bold lie . I dont think the fourstar commander of the u. S. Central command would allow any statement to go out in his name, general lloyd austin, unless he was 100 sure of his facts. Hes saying the statement went out in his name, hes saying isis did not bring it down, they did not shoot it down. We doublechecked and triple checked, other military sources saying the
Syrian Regime<\/a> did not shoot it down. The question is what did bring this plane down . Was it a mechanical error . Was it some type of pilot error situation . Was there
Something Else<\/a> that brought it down . How would they know . Theres only so many ways they would know this. Either the pilot made a mayday call or they track a combat aircraft throughout a mission. They might have seen something in terms of some sort of mechanical failure, some sort of radar that told them there was a problem with the plane. I think its very unlikely that the u. S. Military put something out so adamant and so specific unless it was sure what it was talking about. Well, the kingdom of jordan certainly has a very sophisticated air force. Perhaps theyve got that kind of technology and shared it quickly. I have a question for you about what the americans said. We will support efforts to ensure his safe recovery. There was a lot of video that accompanied that hostage taking. And video in the past with those executions of journalists and hostages has been very helpful in determining location and even identities. We dont even have anybody masked. There are people completely unmasked and crowing about this hostage grabbing. Is that something the pentagon is talking about . Is that something theyre using right now to try to track that hostages whereabouts . What we also know, typical operating procedure, bob knows this better than anybody, when a combat aircraft is in action, there are intelligence assets that watch that aircraft throughout a mission. They saw where it went down. They couldnt get to the pilot because isis very quickly, these fighters were on him and grabbed him. This is rack ka. The problem is, of course, there are no
Coalition Personnel<\/a> on the ground. This is the isis stronghold and isis knows it. Perhaps theyre not terribly afraid to show their faces. Its going to be very tough to get him back with any kind of brute force. Theres always the option of trying to send in a rescue force. But in the middle of isisheld territory that might be a very tough proposition. Bob, jump in there. It is hard enough to get the civilian hostages back. Many of them presumably being held in and around the stronghold of raqqa. Is there a difference when the hostage is a soldier and then, while were talking about that, not an american soldier . No, theres going to be no difference. Jordan is our ally in this. Well do everything we can to get that pilot back. The problem is, the longer it goes on, the more likely it is that the
Islamic State<\/a> has moved him someplace secure. Without radios, its difficult to see from overhead, in a builtup area, for instance, in raqqa or even in the desert. I think theyre getting very good at this. I think the chances of getting him back any time soon are fairly remote, at least by rescue. Now, the jordanians do have the spiritual leader of the
Islamic State<\/a>, the true spiritual leader in jail in jordan. Are they going to negotiate for his release . They may do that, in fact. Well just have to wait and see. Im sure that will all be done under cloak and very, very quietly if its done at all. Spoiz the question i have for you is when you said america will do everything it can again, we will support efforts to ensure his safe recovery. What exactly is that . What is everything we can . Well, it would have to be, of course, a commando raid once they with fair certainty know where he is. In raqqa . A commando made with american troops . Lets never forget abad bad, in a pakistani town, we had incredible assets, bring an incredible amount of force to a small area like that. You send a couple hundred people in like that, we could probably do it. The question always is intelligence. The military likes to go in with what they call eyes on, they can actually see the hostage. They dont like to go in and take an empty building. The chance of getting, as barbara said, getting that intelligence is fairly remote, almost none. Barbara, weve had some successes and failures with these commandostyle raids to free hostages. In the most recent one, two hostages were killed. Does america and perhaps this is the question pentagon the mulling about, would they have the stomach for losing american commandos to rescue a jordanian pilot . Its not really a question of whether the pentagon has the stomach for it. U. S. Military forces, special force, they are part of this coalition. If the president of it sounds trite, but its actually true. If the president of the
United States<\/a> orders u. S. Forces into action, they go. Thats what a coalition is all about. As bob just said, these types of situations to get hostages back are very problematic from an intelligence point of view. Youll remember several months ago actually we learned after the fact that u. S. Commandos did go in to syria to try and rescue the american hostage journalist james foley and others. They went to an area that they had, they thought they had good intelligence, that thats where he was. And the hostages had been moved a short time before that. So that just underscores how tough it is. For a president of the
United States<\/a> to make the decision, it is always on the basis of the u. S. Military recommending to him the risks at hand and the likelihood that they can achieve their goals. Tough conversation to have on christmas morning. Sorry about that folks. Certainly our hearts go out to that family. Barbara starr, bob baer,
Merry Christmas<\/a> to both of you. Still ahead, trouble at the centers for disease control. The agency says one of its own technicians may have been exposed to ebola. That is a big uhoh, and its just the latest in a strung of uhohs in a place that shouldnt have so many uhohs. So why is that happening . The story is next. You dont need to think about the energy that makes our lives possible. Because we do. Were exxonmobil and powering the world responsibly is our job. Because boiling an egg. Isnt as simple as just boiling an egg. Life takes energy. Energy lives here. Here we go again. Cdc announcing that a technician in one of the agencys atlanta labs may have just been exposed to the ebola virus. The agency said in a written statement that a small amount of material from an experiment accidentally got transferred from one lab to another by mistake. Thats right, mistake. Joining me, senior washington correspondent joe johns hopefully with some answers. I know the phones usually arent answered on christmas. This is a pretty serious breach. How did it happen . In the interest of overplaying this, were told this is a limited case, no risk to the general public. We dont fully know how serious it is yet. We dont know if anybody has gotten sick as a result of the accident. If you look at it from the standpoint of whether proper procedures are being followed at the cdc in atlanta, it is reason to be concerned. Cdc says one of the technicians will have to be monitored for three weeks after possibly being exposed to the ebola virus at one of the labs. This apparently happened on monday, discovered on tuesday. The cdc said in a written statement that a small amount of material from an experiment was mistakenly transferred from one lab to another and it might have contained live ebola virus. Cdc said the technician has no symptoms of the illness. Others who entered the lab and had been contacted and will be assessed for possible exposure. So far cdc says only one person needs monitoring at this moment. They dont think anyone outside the lab would be exposed. Before the break, joe, just before you came up live, i said and wait until you hear the list. In case people have forgotten, theres a list of things that have been going wrong. Back in june dozens of cdc workers potentially exposed to anthrax after the lab failed to i guess inactivate a dangerous bacteria before it was transferred to another lab. Then there was a government investigation that found dangerous biological materials were stored in unlocked refrigerators, and anthrax was believed to be transferred in unapproved zip lock baggies. I get it. I work in a business where we are all people, were fallible. But when youre talking about lethal consequences, it feels like the barometer should be much higher for them. These seem crazy, these errors. They seem crazy, but when you think about it, its pretty simple. Youre transferring a live virus, you think its dead virus, and its not. There wasnt an outside investigation by the u. S. Department of agriculture on that anthrax situation which it found those dangerous materials were stored in unlocked refrigerators, general lack of lab workers following safety protocols, and the investigator said the anthrax was transferred actually in ziploc bags which are not obviously approved to carry such material. I would think theyre not approved, right. I dont even reuse my kids for his sandwiches at school. Sometimes you put vitamins in them. The head of the cdc acknowledged at a coming hearing and there was a congressional hearing on this that there was a disturbing pattern and theyve been trying to refine the protocols and make sure that people are following them. That i think at the end of the day is going to be the answer, ashleigh. I wish you a
Merry Christmas<\/a>. Thank you, joe, thanks for working today. You, too. We all got the assignment, right . Its all good. Ahead this hour, who was naughty and who was nice in 2014 . Well separate the villains from the heroes. This guy, you think he might have hit the naughty list . Probably. Find out who else is on. Lieutenant colonel cunningham in bagram, afghanistan. Merry christmas and happy new year to my family in ft. Stewart, georgia and back in afghanistan. Merry christmas. In a germanengineered volkswagen. Like the sporty, advanced new jetta. And the 2015 motor trend car of the year allnew golf. If youre wishing for a new volkswagen this season. Just about all you need is a finely tuned. Pen. Get zero due at signing, zero down, zero deposit, and zero first months payment on select new volkswagen models. I have a cold with terrible chest congestion. I better take something. Theraflu severe cold doesnt treat chest congestion. Really . New alkaseltzer plus day powder rushes relief to your worst cold symptoms plus chest congestion. [breath of relief] oh, what a relief it is. And i quit smoking with chantix. I had tried to do it in the past. I hadnt been successful. Quitting smoking this time was different because i got a prescription for chantix. Along with support,
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Merry Christmas<\/a> he says. You might expect that a movie about doing away with the leader of north korea would be in pretty big demand, high, high demand on the flip side of 38th parallel. That would be south korea. As it turns out, the
South Koreans<\/a> dont seem to be absolutely gripped by todays release. Thats what kyung lah thought. She checked it out from seoul. Reporter while the
United States<\/a> is embroiled in the release of the interview. Here in seoul, south korea, the movie isnt on any big screens at all. Here on
Christmas Day<\/a>, its just another day at the movies for domestic films. Most of the movies shown in this country right now are local domestic made movies. The interview was never planned on being released here. Sony pictures saying they thought the sense of humor simply wouldnt resonate among koreans. But this man says now after all the controversy, hes actually interested in trying to see it. But this man says, fran. Larry i, he doesnt think the trailer looks very funny and he wouldnt pay money to actually see it. South koreans can see the movie. Theyre just going to have to stream it on their personal computers or their personal devices. Kyung lah, cnn, seoul. Thu kyung. Merry christmas to you as well. Youre one of the lucky ones if you made it to your family without any travel delays. Almost 3,000 flights, 3,000, were postponed because of rain and
Poor Visibility<\/a> all on christmas eve. Great for santa. Not good for you. Chicago, dallas, philadelphia, they all had flight delays as long as two hours. More than 380 flights were just canceled outright altogether, just gone. Aaa projected about 98 million americans would be traveling 50 or more miles this holiday season. If youre wondering, yes, that is a 4 increase from last year. Former president george h. W. Bush is spending this
Christmas Day<\/a> in a houston hospital. Hes going to stay there tonight as well. All of that after he experienced shortness of breath on tuesday night. The spokesperson says the 90yearolds prognosis remains very positive and hes staying another night just as a precaution. Two years ago president bush was hospitalized for bronchitis and a persistent cough and it got very bad. But his aide says this time its different. So were wishing you all good things president bush, if youre watching us from the hospital this morning. Merry christmas to you. Lets talk about the pope. Pope francis addressing the faithful this morning in st. Peters square. Almost a rite of passage, something most people look forward to on their tv sets. The annual christmas message. The head of the
Roman Catholic<\/a> church drawing attention this year to the plight of war refugees, particularly the more than 3 million children and adults displaced by the civil war in syria. He also noted the increased instability in iraq and the rise of the terror group isis, not by name, but certainly everyone knew what he was talking about. In the meantime, just last hour, take a look at your screen,
Britains Queen<\/a> elizabeth releasing her own christmas message. This is a great annual as well. She was offering special honor to those risking their lives to help other people. I have been deeply touched this year by the selflessness of aid workers and medical volunteers who have gone abroad to help victims of conflict or of diseases like ebola, often at great personal risk. The queen also spoke about reconciliation. She recalled a moment a century ago when german and british soldiers fighting world war i put down their weapons. Also getting into the holiday spirit, michelle obama, the first lady was on norads
Santa Tracker<\/a> hotline yesterday. She talked for about half an hour with children who were teeping tabs on the progress of the jolly man and this sleigh. Love this picture. Thats adorable. According to the white house an 8yearold named sarah asked mrs. Obama if the president believes in santa claus. Thats a good one, and she replied, ready, quote, the president believes in santa very much, yes. Thats one of the reasons why we try to help the kids who call, because weve got all this wonderful equipment. Theyre going to be at your house as soon as you are fast asleep. Thats when santa comes. He doesnt come until youre asleep, okay . I would personally like to thank mrs. Obama for that message. The naughty and nice list, i love this time of year. Naughty and nice doesnt even begin to cover it. Weve put together the list from the most dastardly to the most joyful
Inspiring Stories<\/a> and groups of people of 2014. Our top ten heroes and villains. Here is rachel crane. As the year comes to a close, its time to count down the top ten heroes and villains of 2014. Lets start with the villains. Number ten, hackers. Apple, snap chat, michaels, sony. Cnn money calls 2014 the year of the hack. More than half of
American Adults<\/a> have had their personal information exposed by data breaches. Number nine,
Vladimir Putin<\/a>. Russian president
Vladimir Putin<\/a> invaded and annexed crimea in march. Hes accused of fueling a bitter conflict in
Eastern Ukraine<\/a> and providing weapons that brought down
Malaysian Airlines<\/a> flight 17 killing all 298 people on board. Number eight, boko haram. In april boko haram militants kidnapped more than 200 teenage girls from a boarding school in nigeria. Despite hope this fall the girls would be returned, boko haram says the girls have converted to islam and have been married off. The groups attacks on villages in nigeria continue. Number seven, isis. That terror hit close to home this year when isis released five horrific videos of both british and american hostages being beheaded. The group took control of large areas of land in iraq and syria prompting president obama to order air strikes in september. Number six, the ebola virus. The symptoms of ebola are scary enough. The death toll is even scarier. Ebola has killed more than 6,000 people this year. We have to take the risk, or else our country will be wiped away. As we hit the halfway mark, its time to turn to the heroes. Number five is a sports hero, derek jeter. Derek jeters last game at
Yankee Stadium<\/a> ended with a game winning hit. On his way off the field, jeter wished his opponents in the postseason, showing the humility that makes the yankees captain a fan favorite. Number four 8yearold tyler doohan managed to rescue six people including two children from a burning mobile home in january. A lastditch effort to save his grandfather from the flames cost the boy his life. Number three, this cat. 4yearold jeremy was riding his bike when his neighbors dog attack. The familys cat tara intervened, risking one of her nine lives to save jeremys. She saved the day, chased him away and came back after the dog was gone. Number two, lauren hill. The ball goes down to lauren hill. When lauren hill hit a layup in her
First College<\/a> basketball game, fans erupted. Hill is dieing from a rare form of brain cancer. The game was moved up two weeks so she could play. Number one, our final hero, kevin vickers. The sergeant at arms was hailed a hero when he stopped an armed man at canadas house of commons. Vickers shot and killed the man after he stormed the parliament. Members of parliament saluted vickers with a standing ovation as he ushered in the start of a new session the next day. Thats my man, kevin vickers. Shout out, canada,
Merry Christmas<\/a>. Still ahead this hour, what were the top ten stories in entertainment this year. Stay with us, its coming at you. Are you headed out tomorrow to look for some of those awesome post christmas deals that are in almost every store. If so, you are in luck. Weve got great news for you about something a little different this year and tips for you brave souls. Grab yourself a pen and paper. Well see you on the other side of the break. Stories of amazing success, love, shock, disgray and the heartbreaking loss of some of our most be loved celebrities. Those are some of the headlines dominating the entertainment world in our past 2014. Our
Nischelle Turner<\/a> gives us the top 10. Reporter frozen fever. This movie has won two academy awards, made over a billion, yes thats a billion with a b, a billion dollars worth wide and that song again, what was it. Let it go, let it go reporter because of that song, the frozen sound track has also become the bestselling album of the year. Today the sad news that comedian joan rivers has passed away at the age of 81. Reporter the comedy world and all of us who love to laugh mourned the passing of an icon when joan rivers died in september. She was 81 years old and died of come kathss while undergoing a minor surgery. All of hollywood came out and mourned her. Goodbye, joan. So what do we want to call her, t swizal, t swift, taylor swift. Chaching. Shake it off. She became the first female artist to have three albums sell more than 1 million copies in one week. Also, she said bye buy to spotify. Taylor pulled her music from the streaming service and proved, well, they need her more than she needs them. Were now hearing from bill cosbys attorney. Were talking about bill cosby and his fall from grace in 2014. More than 20 women have now come forward and said bill cosby sexually assaulted them. Nbc has now canceled his upcoming project and netflix has postponed his comedy special. Celebrities and selfies seem to go hand in hand these days. What happens when those personal photos become public fodder . A number of pictures of alist celebrities were hacked into and leaked to the public. Pictures like
Jennifer Lawrence<\/a> and kate upton. J. Lawrence called it a sexing violation and a crime. It was super bowl sunday but the news that overshadowed the game was the death of
Philip Seymour<\/a> hoffman. The oscar winning actor died in february after an accidental overdose. Celebrities took to social media to pay their condolences. Everyone seemed to say he was a good man who made great movies. I think were all still talking about what happens in an elevator doesnt stay in an elevator. Yeah, the fight. Solange, jay z in the elevator. Beyonce standing to the side. Everyone then said whats going on with this marriage . Are they breaking up or getting a divorce . Beyonce gave us an answer, he got a big kiss from his wife which said to all of us, mind your business. Jay leno said farewell. David letterman announced he was leaving, too. Now were seeing a new breed of late night tv hosts. Stephen colbert is taking over for letterman. Fallon took over for jay leno and he didnt miss a beat. Yes, im talking about weddings. Kim kardashian an kanye west got married to much fanfare in italy. We on instagram this year. Then bran ge lin na, they surprised us all, how did they keep that secret . Because theyre private, thats how. And then, of course, there is hollywood royalty of all royalty, george clooney, how did amal get him to walk down the aisle . I need to talk to that lady because whatever secrets shes got, i want. Tonight, weve learned that robin williams, a treasure to millions, has died. Not a lot that shocks us in hollywood anymore but this one stunned us all. Im talking about robin williams. He was 63. Williams sober, but we know he was struggling with severe depression and early stages of parkinsons disease. Robin williams was loved and beloved in hollywood. He was a husband, father, and to all of us he was kind of our favorite guy. His legacy will live on and he will never be forgotten. Thank you. Merry christmas to you as well. Michele turner. Catch the top 10 of 2014 a special with brook baldwin on sunday at 6 30 eastern time. I encourage you check it out. Also ahead this hour, its over, but the postchristmas sales start tomorrow and we will have the information that will give you the upper hand when youre going for the must have christmas items that didnt make it under your tree. A big tip that hundreds of thousands of us forget to do and it costs us money every year. Alright, so this tylenol arthritis lasts 8 hours but aleve can last 12 hours. And aleve is proven to work better on pain than tylenol arthritis. So why am i still thinking about this . How are ya . Good. Aleve. Proven better on pain. I hope youve got your presents opened and all those gift cards unwrapped and now if youve got free cash raining down on you from holiday gift cards and returns we have an expert to tell you how to do this best. Its called maximizing the benefit. Marshal cohen is the chief industry analyst at the npd group with me live now. Okay. First and foremost, marshal, why is it that we screw up so often with those gift cards we get and either forget about them or let them expire and how bad is that problem . Well, its really a big issue. Retailers love gift cards because 25 of consumers force that they even got a gift card before they ever use it. The majority of consumers dont even redem them within the first month. So retailers love it and consumers dont manage them well. They put them in their desk drawer, forget where they are, forget that they have them and dont use it. Thats bad. Thats just wasting found money. Wasting found money. I always put them in my wallet so if i happen to be going by a store its there. I have it. But maybe the better idea is that if youre going back for returns, maybe not tomorrow, because its pretty busy, take the gift cards with you and do it at one time, right . Isnt that sound economic sense . Yeah. The best thing to really do, we all tend to think we should rush out and spend the gift card money right away and thats not necessarily the best thing do. Because right now, the stores are probably stripped bare more than they will be during the course of the year. Better idea, save your gift cards, wait a few weeks, let the stores replenish some of the merchandise and go in and get what you want, rather than get whats left over. I love that youre carrying your gift cards around because that is the right way to go. You never know when youre going to pass that store and use it but you have to remember that theyre even in your wallet. You know what, marshal, my wallet is like a steamer trunk. Im so tired of having all that junk that i carry around, but it is money and i dont want to forget about them. I understand that youve done research to figure out that we have sales tomorrow that might be as high as 70 off. That things were already at 50 off but the after christmas sales will be higher than 9, 70 off. I would think you would want to maximize the use of them with great deals . Yeah. One of the key things is recognize this year, retailers were very aggressive on price. Items that were already on sale, particularly things like clothing, sweaters and jeans, the even the accessory market, look for those price points that were already at 50 off, before thanksgiving, and then all the way through up until christmas, so, you know, today, they were at 50 off. Now theyre going to go to 70, 75 off. So really great time to go out and build your winter wardrobe. And wear your sneakers. Thank you so much and happy holidays to you. Nice of you to join us today. All my family watching me at home and im sorry i cant be with you, i said i would tug my ear for family and friends. Thank everything for joining us at this hour and michaela and berman, at home with their families. Also more ahead on my other program that i do legal view that starts right after this. Just look at those two. Happy. In love. And saving so much money on their
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Car Insurance<\/a>. Terrible or hilarious . You get to decide and finally, sonys the interview is out in select theaters today, but it is also out online. But the christmas surprise that hackers warned about, is that still on the table . And speaking of surprises, a stunning announcement from the cdc, one of its technicians has possibly been exposed to the ebola virus. And whether you say happy holidays or merry","publisher":{"@type":"Organization","name":"archive.org","logo":{"@type":"ImageObject","width":"800","height":"600","url":"\/\/ia801608.us.archive.org\/9\/items\/CNNW_20141225_160000_At_This_Hour_With_Berman_and_Michaela\/CNNW_20141225_160000_At_This_Hour_With_Berman_and_Michaela.thumbs\/CNNW_20141225_160000_At_This_Hour_With_Berman_and_Michaela_000001.jpg"}},"autauthor":{"@type":"Organization"},"author":{"sameAs":"archive.org","name":"archive.org"}}],"coverageEndTime":"20240617T12:35:10+00:00"}