Identified so far. One victim has already been laid to rest. In terms of the search bad weather is proving once again seeming to be the biggest obstacle in the search. I want to turn to Andrew Stevens in surabaya indonesia, where the flight originated and where many many of those families were from and where they are gathered awaiting news andrew can you update us . I know its night fall but what is the latest on the search and rescue effort where it stands now. Well on the search michaela there is still bad weather across the search zone and that bad weather is expected to continue over the next couple days so the frustrations are enormous. As you point out, theyve narrowed the probable location zone they call it down that 2,000 square miles. Thats still a fair chunk of territory but theyre now moving into an underwater search stage, basically because the weather is so bad that visibility is minimal and theyre not just getting anywhere with their visibility aerial checks. So theyve got chips on station there. Theyve got sophisticated listening devices, sonar there, more are coming and the plan is really to now grid that area looking for this fuselage. This is the key to the whole mystery, if you like. Theres a large piece of fuselage they think, with still many bodies inside which also they hope contains the black boxes, the voice recorder, the data recorder, thats what theyre looking for and, of course still looking for bodies. Along those lines, andrew, whats the latest in the victim identification process . Well four have been identified now, john. 30 bodies have been recovered, including 12 from the uss sampson which was was on sight today. The bodies have most of the bodies have been brought back here. In fact, weve just come from outside the naval base at the international airport, very sad procession we saw there, too, ten ambulances leaving the naval base coming down here to the Police Hospital for identification. But at this stage, there has only been four of the 30 bodies recovered and identified. That identification process will continue over the next few days around the clock as well. Its a painstaking process, they have to get it right. We dont know when the next i. D. S will be done but it will be an ongoing process obviously over the next few days. Andrew stevens for us in surabaya thanks so much. I want to bring in our aviation analyst here, les abend is with us, a commercial pilot. We have our safety analyst and former faa safety inspector david soucie. Hes written a new book Malaysia Airlines flight 370, why it disappeared and why its only a matter of time before it happens again. David, we want to talk about this report were getting from the local media in the region its very grim obviously, that there were three bodies located found floating with their seat belts on in a row. We have not been amd able to independently confirm that if this turns out to be true what does that tell you about what happened as the plane crash eded. Its really not determined. Theres other evidence that we wont talk about thats too gruesome sm on television but hopefully it will tell them one thing, which is the if it hit the water and broke up in a forward rate of speed, youd be able to tell that by the damages that the seat belt does to the body. If it was downed at a straight angle like this which would indicate a flat spin or stall, deep stall, like flight 447 that there are different types of injuries that you would see on those bodies mostly internal type things as well so theres some information that can be gained by the investigators on scene. Its nothing well get information about out here. Thats what theyd be able to fell from. It so les among these same reports that people were found strapped in their seats, theys also reports saying theyre seeing images of the tail underwater. We havent been able to confirm this but is the table separated from the rest of the fuselage . Is that something you would normally see or sometimes see in situations like this and why would that happen . What does that indicate . Well it indicates like dave has been saying, did it break up in flight or impact . That will define how it impacted and the fact that it may have been is it inverted . Right side up . That answers questions in the kind of water and the depths theyre talking about. These kind of searches are so painstaking and then you add we know theres 30 bodies that have been recovered. It feels as though that was a big jump in terms of recovery over the last few days, even progress is being made. Thats what it feels like from our end. Does that seem appropriate to you . It does because now we have clues. Once the bodies are identified it will be an enormous jump in the investigation because of the fact that they can place the bodies within a virtual model and theyll know when the bodies came from. That will give them clues because if they came from the same area then you could say thats where it broke up. They may be able to determine if they broke up in the air. If they did, the search will grow significantly because like with mh370 it was about six or seven miles across. That hadnt occurred to me you can put together a seating chart and you can backtrack and see where the different parts of the plane ended up. Back to the tail for a second. In a320 arent the black boxes in the tail . I think there is one of them in the tail and one is further forward so that would be good news if they found the tail. Now they can begin the process of recovering data from the cockpit voice recorder. Because in terms of the investigation, these are the holy grails in terms of the search. They want to get their hands on those and find out the information they want and, of course as of now we dont have any sense that theyre hearing any pings. No indication of that at all at this point, no. It was indicated by david gallo that theres a lot of shipping traffic so a lot of noise for those devices. Towed ping locators as we mentioned for those of you that are sort of new to this weve learned a lot, certainly with mh370. Youve both taught us a lot. So they have the side scan sonars they also have these towedtow ed ping locators and its important to talk about the acoustics of the ocean. It may not be very deep only 100 feet comparatively to some other portions of the ocean. This is fairly shallow. But theres still acoustic noise there that could be affecting search efforts. And the reason it was so sensitive to acoustic noise during the 370 search is because of the fact that we were kind of using it for what its not to be designed for. Its not designed to locate the aircraft. Its designed to locate the box within the aircraft after its under the water. So its more of a approximate using the hydro phones to find it locally because it can be under silt it can be under the aircraft. Its difficult to find. Its not like its sitting there on a shelf somewhere. Thats the part that underwater locator beacon, if its functioning normally is used for approximate location not for generalized search necessarily. Les, theres one other area. We talked about this this morning. There were reports that there was a twominute gap between the captain and the copilot asked to increase their altitude. To fly up to 32,000 feet to 36,000 feet maybe higher. That was twominute gap between when they asked permission and air Traffic Control responded. Most of us arent pilots so we dont know. Is two minutes a long time to wait for an answer . It isnt. When you make a request you understand depending upon what sector in. In the United States these controllers are busy with other airplanes going opposite directions crossing your route perhaps. And theyre talking to other controllers in other sectors so two minutes isnt an incredibly long time for that kind of request. I dont know what the circumstance is. Apparently that corridor is like a red eye across the United States. So i wouldnt find that unusual at all. Les, david, well ask you to stick around because ahead we know theres several theories about how the flight ended up in the water or hit the water. One indonesian official believes the pilot could have perhaps landed on the surface kind of like Sully Sullenberger style in the hudson. Well examine that possibility ahead at this hour. And then what a life. Well take a look at the life and legacy of former new york governor mario cuomo who passed away at 82. And were going to give you a story of race and redemption. See this beautiful woman . 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I want to bring back les and david to weigh in on this. This minister one of the reasons he has come up with this theory is because the pinger or one of the alarms didnt go off thats designed to go off on impact if you crash into the sea and they didnt get any indication of that so he is saying that might lend itself to the idea that there was a soft or controlled landing. Hes referring to the deceleration indicator. So if the elt decelerates quickly, which would be if the aircraft went in at a steep angle that it would then send out a signal to the satellite system that monitors it that says hey, youve had this deep impact. So hes then surmising that therefore the aircraft must have made a soft landing and didnt have a rapid deceleration. The problem is theyre made for land. Theyre for when the aircraft crashes on land. The antenna is external to the aircraft. As soon as that external antenna touches water it cant transmit its done. So that signal is going into the water not the air and the satellites cant pick it up. Another reason i dont believe that this theory is true is the fact that we have seats and seat belts that are separated from the aircraft. Had it been a successful ditching, the bodies and subsequently flooded or sunk. And some of those elts are inside the life rafts in case theres a ditching situation but when theyre immersed in water, just like david described for the aircraft one, theyre immersed in water, they wont transmit. Apparently captain sullenberger spoke to cnn about the kind of training pilots get for emergency landing. Lets play that sound. In the United States, in our flight simulators its not possible to practice a water landing. Before our water landing the only training wed ever gotten for a water landing was a theoretical classroom discussion. Of course there was a checklist, a protocol but wed never done it. So we had one chance to get right something wed never anticipated, never specifically trained for and being in the open ocean would be a much more challenging situation. But over water in general, its feature lester rain where depth perception is inherently difficult. Youre descending without engine thrust much steeper and rapidly than for a normal approach to a landing where you have thrust to make a more gradual approach. It would be a very challenging thing to do. But its theoretically possible. Theoretically possible. Lets remember. It is called the miracle on the hudson. What he did was essentially miraculous but is this even reasonable for them . I even wonder about the damage of putting out a theory like this. I had been talking about that theory with that same interview with sully that i felt that it was as well because the fact that the only thing we knew we had at the time was the emergency exit door and the slide which is associated with that door and then we had three bodies none of that points to anything but a successful ditching but as evidence comes in which is typical of any investigation, the riddles unfold and you get these answers. Now to me its far less likely than i thought it was. And les you saw the pictures there of the miracle on the hudson. The water on the hudson river was pretty flat. A lot different than theoretically in the java sea. What kind of things do you train for as a pilot . How much do you train for these types of situation s . S . Like captain sullenberger said its such an unlikely event. We read about it and have classroom discussion about it. Part of that would involve landing parallel toll the wave ss it takes a lot of talent to make it work out successfully. Theres been a lot there has been successful ditchings over airplanes but you know its certainly a plausible scenario but doesnt seem like. I have you done flight simulations . Ever tried it . No we do not. We dont practice those types of simulations. Its not a practical thing because you get to that point you know how to land an airplane so this is a matter of landing in the an unusual surface area. David you and i were talking off camera and i was needing comfort from you given the title of your book and the fact we all fly. There was some notion did this plane just fall out of the sky . And they dont just fall. The way they are designed is what was the statistic you were saying . The rate a plane would come down . Theres a as les can tell us, theres a lot of different kinds of stall. And with this situation were talking about a wing overthewing air stall, almost like what you saw in top gun with the flat spin. Thats the kind of thing as a reference that it might be. You have to remember a commercial jet is a swept wing airplane so it has different characteristics than say, your average piper cub or cessna. That has its own challenges and difficulties in recovery process. But in the certification of the airplanes we talk about the egress and the pilots may not be trained for ditching. However, in the certification of the aircraft when i was in toulouse about the airbus 380, the egress of the aircraft is well tested. They do in the the water, they take that huge aircraft put in the the water, literally put people in the airplane try the slides test the slides and it took two or three tries before they could get everybody out in the limited amount of time that you had so the egress of that part of that is very well tested. The aircraft wings are very well tested. Its really good. Really good system and good airplane. More comforting. Thanks to both of you. David, well ask you to stick around. Obviously we have more things we want to look at at this hour. Ahead for us. Well talk more about the black boxes. How they work and what information they will offer when they are found in this investigation. Mario cuomo was a giant. He personify it had American Mosaic certainly the new york mosaic. That was congressman peter king, a republican paying tribute to liberal icon mario cuomo who passed away yesterday at the age of 82. A threeterm Governor Cuomo was indeed a giant of new york politics but he never forgot hit humble roots. In a statement, president obama said cuomos own story taught him as americans we are bound together as one people. Our countrys success rests on the success of all of us not just a fortunate few. Mario cuomo liked to say you campaign in poetry you govern in prose. He did both. Simply it was the american dream. 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