Transcripts For CNNW At This Hour With Kate Bolduan 20180801

CNNW At This Hour With Kate Bolduan August 1, 2018 15:00:00

Kate Bolduan gives a fresh take on todays top stories. Kate Bolduan gives a fresh take on todays top stories. So i dont this one tweet will do it, too. But i think if ever saw any movement on the Rosenstein Side of this in response to the president s suggestion, i would imagine you would see some republicans hurry up there. Julie, the president and Jeff Sessions. That relationship, depending on the hour, it is on the rocks or back in good graces. I mean i have no idea. It is such a roller coaster, it is kind of bananas. But no matter what the president says, all along sessions hasnt done anything. Right . I mean he just continued to do his job. Could this just be is this just a new chapter in the what the heck is going on with this relationship and this is just a bunch of nothing . I would say that this relationship has been pretty toxic for a long time, ever since the president made it known publicly that he was angry at Jeff Sessions for having recused himself. And you are right, there have been peaks and valleys. At some point weve heard Jeff Sessions kind of actively push back against the president , making some of these suggestions when hes threatened the investigation in the past. It will be interesting to see how he deals with this tweet given that it is actually a pretty clear directive by the president. This is the president of the United States telling his Attorney General to shut down an ongoing investigation. Now he is recused from that investigation so you could say that it really is a big nothing in the end. But it is a direct order and hes part of the president s cabinet so it is going to be really fascinating to see how he reacts and how the Justice Department reacts. You have a great point. Because words here matter because the words of a conversation behind closed doors, between james comey and the president , those matter. Was it a directive . Can you see your way to letting him go . Was that a direct order, was that not . This one is pretty clear what the president is saying. I dont know another way to see it. Absolutely. And really, it is going to make it a lot harder for the president s allies to say that he didnt make those statements in private. Right . Weve heard in the past that james comeys a liar, he made it all up. The president of the united states is saying basically the exact same thing to all of us in public on tweet, via tweet. So it is very hard to see an argument that he was saying Something Different in private. One thing ive got to say, too, is, weve talked a lot this morning about the president s anger with Jeff Sessions for recusing himself. Just so the viewers understand, that is a normal process that prosecutors have. It is something thats recommended by people who arent political, who are Career Employees there. It is based on making sure you dont have a conflict of interest. So Jeff Sessions was doing his job and the president s angry at him for doing his job. That in itself suggests the president has an improper purpose because it is that unusual for being that angry at someone for recusing themselves. Whether it is a directive or not, we were just talking about that language, i just think about for a second. When is the last time your boss told you you should do something and you thought that was a mere suggestion. Right . That is just now how you read language like that from your superior. Thats not how the world works thats just not how it goes if you want to stay employed. David, julie, renanto, thanks, guys. We now know what the president is saying about his former Campaign Chairman today but whats actually going on in court. Day two of Paul Manaforts highstakes trial. The witnesses, the allegations, the defense. Thats next. Plus, facebook, twitter, google In The Hot Seat once again. Congress calling on top executives to testify on how they plan to help protect the Midterm Elections from foreign influence. 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Flushrewd lies, millions in unreported income, and even a 15,000 jacket made from an ostrich. Just so much of the details and accusations coming out of the day one of the manafort trial, the first trial and first big court test to come interest the Special Counsel Robert Muellers Russia Investigation. Day two is under way. The former trump Campaign Chairman is facing a laundry list of crimes. One person keeping a close eye on this President Trump. His tweets this morning bearing out the fact that hes asked his staff to keep him updated on whats happening in that courtroom. Joining me right now, cnns crime and justice reporter, shimone, whats been happening in court today. Seen some pretty significant testimony. Certainly. It is our second witness of the day. The court in a short recess at the moment but we expect to continue to hear from an fbi agent who was at manaforts home executing a Search Warrant last year and that fbi agent is describing how they went about conducting that Search Warrant. They went to his home in alexandria, virginia. They knocked on his door three times. It was about 6 00 a. M. Or so, this agent says. When no one came to the door, they had a key and they used that key to enter the home. They saw manafort in there. Now the fbi agent spent this morning describing some of the documents that he found in it the home having to do with loans, some Banking Transactions with manaforts name on it, wire transfers with manaforts name on it. Obviously that is sort of the meat, sort of the heavy stuff of this trial of the evidence that the fbi gathered. There was some question about whether or not certainly people on the Manafort Side have raised issue with how the fbi went about conducting this Search Warrant on manaforts home. They said no one had ever knocked, that they had just entered. But clearly the fbi agent here this morning testifying quite differently, that they did knock, and when no one answered they went into the home. Fascinating. Much more to come on this one. This is just getting back under way in a few minutes. Lets get some perspective from day one what we just heard from the fbi agent testifying about. Renato, what do you think is key from this fbi agent . Not just about the raid but it kind of seems investigators may be getting into the meat of their argument that manafort knowingly signed several kinds of false financial documents. Well, those documents, the documents that they found in the Search Warrant, are going to be the basis of this prosecution. We can we talk a lot about you mentioned the lavish spending and so on. And that is very interesting and it catches attention. But what is going to prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt will be that evidence. Thats what prosecutors are relying on. In a case like this, it is usually hundreds and hundreds of pages of financial documents. As they said, follow the money. It seems thats what theyre starting with right now. The prosecutors legal strategy is, as we heard from yesterday, manafort is a liar, he opened 30plus Bank Accounts to hide his money. For the defense the strategy seems to be blame the other guy. Blame manaforts longtime aide, rick gates. What do you think of hthat . I think it is very common defense strategy. We have to grade on a curve here because the defense doesnt have a lot to work with. On the defense side you are usually trying to either say no crime was committed, thats hard to do in this case. So you usually try to offer up somebody else. It makes sense for them to choose gates because gates is the governments witness. He is a star witness for them. He is the flipper. You have to take down the flipper if youre on the defense side. If the governments rerlying on that cooperator, you have to undercut his credibility. So what are you listening for today as the fbi agents going to testify again. A known democratic strategist has been testifying as well. The governments strategy is going to be very clear and straightforward. Im going to Pay Attention to what the defense is doing on Cross Examination because what the defense is going to do is try to plant the seeds for the jury of what their arguments are going to be at closing against the government case. Im going to be watching their Cross Examinations very closely. Well be listening for that, as well. Thanks so much for sticking around. Coming up for us was russia behind a new attempt to disrupt the Midterm Elections . Facebook says its possible. 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One reason is it is a reminder that meddling, foreign meddling, russian meddling is going to be a reality for facebook in perpetuity. This is not a problem that they can ever fully prevent. The best that they can do is monitor the situation and bring it to the attention of congress which is what they have done. At least they got ahead of it this time. At least they reported before the 2018 midterms, not after the 2018 midterms which is what we saw in 2016. A key detail there though is, well, they are a he not publicly acknowledging this was linked to russia. They have told lawmakers all signs point to russia, and thats significant because what theyre doing is they are effectively putting the ball in congress court. They are saying, look, we put in the time, the money, the resources, we have 20,000 people working to combat misinformation on our platform. At the end of the day, if this is an issue you guys are serious about, balls in your court. What congress will inevitably say is, in order to do that, we need to get the president of the United States behind it. As you and i both know, the president of the United States, at present, doesnt really have any interest in addressing the issue of russian meddling. If you follow just one final note. If you follow congress at all, there is a real disconnect of an understanding of tech firms and social media and the pace with which it changes and the understanding of members of congress and what theyre actually dealing with. It is apparent. I think thats one of the problems. Kate, that is huge issue. Even senators like mark warner will acknowledge that they are constantly going to be behind on this issue. He told me once while theyre dealing with 2016 problems, foreign meddlers are preparing not just for 2018, but for 2020. And again, facebooks ceo coo, sheryl sandberg, has said this is an arms race that you can never completely win. Again, it is a game of whack a mole. At the end of the day, every Election Cycle we are going to see this issue. The Silver Lining is that facebook is finally getting ahead of the problem as opposed to being behind the problem. Whats next . Lets see. Joining me now, director for a group that partnered with facebook to monitor disinformation campaigns. He was a top aide, also to president obama on Cyber Security. Graham, thanks for coming in. You studied these accounts. Youve studied these ads. You know what facebooks talking about here. Do you think russia is the one behind this . This time . I think that based on looking at some of the pages that facebook took action against yesterday, what we can tell is that the content, the tactics, the language, was very similar to that that we saw coming from the infamous st. Petersburg russia troll farm from 2014 through 2017. I would say the Behavior Correlates very highly with what weve seen previously. Do you think it is wrong or premature for some Top Democrats to say that they think it is russia . So i think that attribution is very different than c

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