Transcripts For CNNW At This Hour With Kate Bolduan 20190308

CNNW At This Hour With Kate Bolduan March 8, 2019

The judge said there was no collusion with russia. This had nothing to do with collusion. There was no collusion. Its a collusion hoax. I dont collude with russia. Sarah westwood is at the white house with much more. First of all, my friend, the judge did not make any big statement about russia collusion. The judge did say the trial with regards to Paul Manafort was not about russia collusion. That was not the question before the court, the question before this judge. Reporter thats correct. The judge who sentenced Paul Manafort yesterday said that the charges for which manafort would be serving time were not related to russian collusion but President Trump has seized on that in a sort of misleading way since that hearing yesterday. Beyond his former Campaign Chairman there was clearly a lot on President Trumps mind. He weighed in on the february jobs report but dismissed concerns about the lower than expected number of jobs added in february and instead pointed to things like wage growth, the overall low Unemployment Rate after a week of disappointing Economic News including the fact that the u. S. Census bureau released data that showed trade deficits hit a ten year high. Trump did express optimism that a trade deal could still come together dismissing rumblings that the talks arent going so well. On north korea, he said that he still has a Good Relationship with north Korean Leader kim jongun, that he would be surprised and unhappy to see north korea resume its testing of missiles. Take a listen. I would be surprised in a negative way if he did anything that was not per our understanding. But well see what happens. When i came in under the obama administration, north korea was a disaster. You were going to war, folks. I would be very disappointed if i saw testing. Reporter now, the president also hit some other highlights. He suggested that he is not worried congress will have enough votes to override his expected veto of a resolution attempting to block his emergency declaration. He also went after congresswoman omars comments and attacked the Democratic Party claiming the democrats have become a party of antiisrael sentiment. Those attacks could fall flat given the president s failure to Police Racism and other forms of bigistry within his own party. We will talk about that coming up a little bit later. So was it a miscarriage of justice or a punishment to fit the crime . After the federal judge sentenced Paul Manafort to less than four years in prison for tax and bank fraud. Democrats outraged. This sentence in my view failed to do just toos the very serious crimes that manafort has committed as well as his utter disrespect for the law. And this morning now we of course have heard from the president and his take which is the exact opposite. What does this sentence mean . Did manafort get off easy . Joining me now is former attorney general of new jersey. Thank you guys for being here. The sentencing guideline was 19 to 24 years. Diverting by 15 years from the sentencing guidelines, is that sending a message . A couple things to think about. The guidelines are advisory. When i was a federal prosecutor, sometimes the judge sentences at the guideline, sometimes below or above. What is extraordinary is it is a significant departure. I would have expected eight to ten years. I would not have expected less than four years for somebody who was not a cooperator. The first point is that the judge never liked this case. So we should be clear that was clear throughout. This was not as surprising as i think some people were making it seem. The judge was always against the case. The other piece is that there is a real question of fairness and justice in this country in terms of sentences that white collar offenses get. I think a lot of people are raising those issues. Some of that we see here. Some of it we also see is really the judge thinking its not the case the government thinks it is and im not going to give them the sentence for the case that they thought it was. So or are people missing the mark . The president s Campaign Chairman is going to prison. That is significant in and of itself. Yes. I think that its important to look at the big picture here. We have seven people in Trumps Campaign who have now been caught in muellers net who have pleaded guilty or manaforts case have been tried and convicted and are going to jail and have cooperated. So i think that focussing on the sentence which i agree with ann is a bit of a travesty considering the seriousness of the crimes shouldnt take away from the serious concerns that we ought to have about the criminal activity generally that was taking place in the president s inner circle when he was running his campaign. We heard the president focussing on the russia collusion aspect of this which was this was not a question before the court. The judge made that clear in his sentencing that it was not a question before him and not what the case is about. Not only is the president talking about it, but Paul Manaforts attorney talked about russia collusion. Let me play that for you what the attorney said. I think most importantly what you saw today is the same thing that we had said from day one, there is absolutely no evidence that Paul Manafort was involved in any collusion with any Government Official from russia. Why is that the focus . So remember that there are a couple important points here. The first is there were two separate cases against manafort. This case is just the bank fraud case. It is only about how he defrauded the United States. There is a separate case in washington, d. C. That manafort will be sentenced on next week that has more to do with manaforts foreign ties. Remember that from day one, manafort and trump were part of a joint Defense Agreement so their lawyers were communicating even after manafort started to cooperate. It has been reported that his lawyer was still coordinating and communicating with the trump team. So they have been a part of the president s team. What is really extraordinary to me about this is watching the president say i feel badly for him and not acknowledging that he has now been convicted of a very serious felony for defrauding the United States government and he was the president s campaign manager. Some charges went up and through that campaign. That is an extraordinary thing to me that the president isnt acknowledging the extraordinary wrong doing that happened on his watch. And wrapped up into this question is do you think the judge in this sentence makes it harder or easier for Paul Manafort to get a president ial pardon . My initial take yesterday was that it would make it harder. I think that there is general agreement that he got off quite easy. And given that a pardon is an expression of benevolence and mercy to correct a miscarriage of justice, it is hard to say there was a miscarriage of justice. Again, we are talking about President Trump. This is someone who pardoned joe arpaio and scooter libby. He sees it in terms of loyalty or making a statement. So i think it could still be on the table. I will say that i wouldnt discount the new York Attorney general bringing a case against Paul Manafort in the event that he is pardoned for his federal crimes. That would be a case, crimes that could not fit under a pardon. Thats correct. Lets talk about you are both talking about a miscarriage of justice or a different application and a different standard that has been an important part of the conversation when it comes to criminal justice for a very long time. If you try to go apples to apples on this and this was a discussion this morning, apples to apples on other White Collar Crime and look at congressman Wayne Jefferson convicted of soliciting bribes and wire fraud. 90 grand found in the freezer. He received a 13year sentence. He served five. And then the same judge what about that . There are so many issues with the way we sentence people in state and federal prison in america. I would argue that sentences overall are too harsh and not cla calculated for the best public safety. I think we do see that there is generally a disparity not just between white collar and sort of blue collar crime. We see significant Racial Disparities throughout the sentencing. We have to be honest about the need for sentencing reform. I think manafort is a piece of that conversation but i think that is a bigger conversation that is a national conversation. What judge ellis did here is a piece of that. Its not really the only example. It is one in a long line of examples in which ways we see judges having enormous discretion and sometimes used in a way that is wildly different. An important opportunity to have the discussion about all of this. Thank you. And this is also a tough end to a bad week for President Trump who loves to tout the stock market gains and Economic Growth and strength as evidence of his policies working. Today the numbers though are not his friend. This morning we learned that the economy added 20,000 jobs last month. That was only a fraction of what had been projected and expected. That comes on the heels of other sobering Economic News. Federal deficit jumped 77 despite promises to fix it. The trade deficit soared to a tenyear high despite promises to change that. Cnn Business Correspondent is here. Will you walk us through todays numbers . So the slow down in hiring that happens in february came as a huge shock because it really wasnt expected by economists who were knowing that the report was going to be coming out. On the other hand, it wasnt completely unexpected because if you look at the job market it is a tight job market. You will get reports that show the blip in the course of 12 months. You see the triple digit gains in jobs and the reality is in this red hot labor market it is not sustainable. It is unrealistic to continue seeing the 200,000, 300,000 jobs gained every month. With that said, you look at the Unemployment Rate, we are at 3. 8 . More explanation as to why we could continue to see growth in jobs, just not at the levels that we are used to seeing. What happened in the main sectors . Services and business, 42,000 jobs gained. Health care we saw gains. Construction we saw losses. We also saw numbers remain flat in rooetail and leisure and hospitality. We can blame it on the weather. People didnt want to go out to restaurants and construction workers couldnt go out there and do that building. One bright spot that we do see in this report are wages. Wages grew 3. 4 from last year. This is actually the biggest year over year percentage jump that we have seen since 2009. So this has really been the missing link, the missing piece in the jigsaw puzzle from when we saw the recession end. We have been watching the labor market and wages have been sitting static. Now we are seeing them rise. That is one bright spot for this jobs report. Once again, we could see those numbers for jobs actually bounce a little bit more for march. Dont get used to these big numbers because dont expect those to really continue. Its just not sustainable. Important report. Thank you so much. Coming up for us, 12020 contender put the largest tech company on notice. Elizabeth warren has a new plan to break up tech giants like amazon, google, facebook. Cnn has the details. 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Its great to be with you especially on International Womens day. Thank you very much. Tell me, what do you think of this plan to break up some of the Worlds Largest tech Companies Like amazon, google, facebook, would you support Something Like that . I havent had a chance to look at senator warrens plans yet. I can tell you that i see every day how these big Tech Companies have really incredible power in the market place. I think it is a very good thing for us to be looking at. I think it is a great idea to have women and men who are running for president bring forward big ideas and put them out there for us all to look at. To look at and talk about. Details matter when it comes to a lot of this stuff. I havent seen more when it comes to what companies and how this would apply. It got me thinking, you have some very Big Companies based in minnesota. I wonder if you are concerned that rules like this that would apply to tech giants, amazon, google, facebook, could also hit Companies Like United Health and target based in your home state. Well, what youre pointing out is something that is really important which is that you have to be aware of the law of unintended consequences. I think about this in terms of the impact on the giant Companies Like amazon. It is only recently that what has been happening is that main street businesses trying to compete have been faced with a different Playing Field when it comes to taxation. That is starting to change some. I want to make sure that those main street businesses have a chance to compete and win. When you have a company like amazon that has so much market power, that makes it a lot more difficult. On its face, though, you like the idea of what Elizabeth Warren is putting out there . On its face, i barely heard what elizabeth has done yet. 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