Coverage of the Iowa Caucuses. The clock is ticking as we still have no, repeat no official results, some 15 hours after the first contest of 2020 began. Were told to expect an announcement sometime today, but who knows when. This has injected new chaos and uncertainty into the democratic president ial race as the candidates are moving on to New Hampshire without knowing who won iowa. Some are claiming a measure of victory anyway. Lets go to cnns jeff zeleny with new information joining us from des moines right now. Jeff, what are you learning . Reporter wolf, good morning. As the candidates have moved to New Hampshire, the controversy stayed here behind in iowa. I am told in the next hour at the top of the next hour at noon eastern, 11 00 central, here in iowa, there is going to be another Conference Call with officials at the Iowa Democratic party and members of the president ial campaigns. Theyre going to go through and update what they have. So that may give us more of an indication of where things are leading here. In terms of the ultimate question, will the results be released at some point today . That is still a question. Separate question, will all of them be released at one time or will they be released sort of half of them and then keep working on the rest . That is an unknown certain thing at this point. Were talking to a lot of chairs of these caucuses. Saw them last night play out across iowa. People who are democratic activists, officials who are in charge of organizing these events. And one of the chairs i was speaking with, linda nelson on the western edge of iowa, she said she got a call at 1 23 a. M. From a democratic official here in des moines asking her to report her numbers. She tried to report on the app, the app did not work. She tried to phone them in. The phone lines were jammed. She went to sleep. She got up, she said, went out to her car, she got her materials, and she reported her information there from the ninth precinct in council bluffs. She says that Amy Klobuchar won that precinct. Well wait for the final results. That is just a sense here of how officials are going door to door and calling people, trying to get these numbers in. As of this morning, i was told there was 250 or so precincts still not accounted for, that number is probably different at this point. But it is very much a process here, wolf. Theyre trying to get this right, the future of the Iowa Caucuses are in question. The here and now are the results of this race. Very much an embarrassment and a stain on this rich tradition here in iowa. Certainly is. Do you know if there was any training on how to use that app . Whether or not they did a rehearsal, they did some practice runs, anything along those lines . Reporter thats a great question. We have been reaching out to several chairs of these caucuses, and they say it was not included in the regular materials for training for this. It is a complicated process as we saw play out yesterday evening. And im told this app was not included because the app wasnt ready. So that will be an interesting thing to go back through to see why this app was not ready. It was always supposed to be, you know, the fastest way to get results with the backup plan of being a phone call system. But if the app wasnt ready, it is curious. It is not just an age factor. I heard again and again, maybe it is someone old not able to use this. I was talking to a parent of an 18yearold who is a chair of a caucus here, obviously very savvy on technology, and they also were unable to use it because of an error message. I think some of the pushback of, you know, perhaps people are not as savvy with this is not a good explanation. They know a lot of chairs here in iowa may be retirees or others, so some tough questions for the Software Developers of that app and the Iowa Democratic party and the Democratic National committee, which also is a partner in this process. Complete review of what happened, make sure it doesnt happen again. Lets stay on top of that process right now, that app that has caused so many problems. Mark preston, youre getting more information. What are you learning . Well, just picking up where jeff left off, democratic source just told me that the issue does seem to lie with this major coding error in the app in that it was discovered once the data started flowing into the idp last night, the Iowa Democratic party. Party officials then began to see that there were discrepancies in the three data sets that were coming together, wolf, as these results started to get crunched. The source said that it took time for the Party Officials to figure out what exactly the problem was. There was obviously a lot of concern heading into about 9 30, 9 45. Hadnt seen any results. Well, thats when they apparently came to realize what exactly had happened. Now, this democratic source did tell me and i think this is critical, that there was not a problem with the raw data being sent in. Right now it doesnt appear to be anything nefarious, doesnt seem to be any kind of cyberintrusion. We heard that last night as well. This was simply a coding error. So that simple coding error now has thrown everything up in the air as we wait to hear what happens now. So let me walk over to david chalian. You know, they could have done what they have done for 20 or 30 or 40 years, the oldfashioned way, just count the numbers, count the and call it in. Call it in. All of a sudden, it would be a little slower, might get 5 of the precincts, 20 and 50 . Right now, we have zero percent and because of a coding error. Well, you remember, wolf, the reason they werent doing it the old way anymore is largely because Bernie Sanders was fighting for reforms in the process. He didnt think the old way served him that well in the 2016 race against Hillary Clinton. Asked for these new data streams that mark was talking about, that having the popular vote in the first round of voting and final round of voting in addition to the important metric of the state delegate equivalent, putting that all into the reporting system, clearly overloading what may have been a coding error here as well, inside the app, it is precisely because Bernie Sanders argued for the changes that there were more data streams. I want to pick up on something you heard jeff zeleny say. This is a debacle for the Iowa Democratic party. No doubt about that. But we shouldnt forget the Iowa Democratic party is not separate and apart from the Democratic National committee. The chairman of the Iowa Democratic party is a member of the Democratic National committee as are all state party chairman. So we do need to also hear from dnc chair tom perez at some point, there is going to be need to be a National Party response to this moment to instill compensati competence Going Forward from here until the convention. How would that work . Were going to need a full detailed accounting of what went on, and were going to need some kind of verifiable way as to how they counted this vote, because of that, as you know, the party said this morning, because they had the backup in place, of these paper cards, these preference cards, they are going to be able to actually verify and show that the count is accurate. That will give a lot of confidence to the campaigns, democrats, to the country at large. Here is the problem, two weeks or so, the nevada caucuses and supposedly they were planning on using the same app. No. Hard to believe. That is a whole other matter, nevada, ever since they got into the game of being one of the four early states, and got a kaur caucus process under way in advance of the 2008 cycle, they modeled everything they were doing on how iowa does it. They went to nevada for a big stretch of time, trained them on how to do caucuses. As you note, theyre using the same app. Youre right. February 22nd is not that far away. Nevada has to figure out how to adjust here. They got a problem, big problem right now. David, thank you. The campaigns are about to be briefed by the Iowa Democratic party. Will they get a clear timetable for the caucus results to be posted . Much more of our special coverage right after this. The number of uninsured americans, rising. The cost of prescription drugs, rising. The threat to people with preexisting conditions, rising. The good news, so is support for the one candidate wholl do something about it. 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That leaves the campaigns trying to basically create a reality of where we are right now, which raises a very basic question. Not blame unfairly, but if you look at all the Different Things that happened with iowa, often the best discussions on television happen bernie did well and how he did well with an an emerging Muslim Community in iowa, partly a function they were using mosques as precincts for the first time. You guys keep saying the democratic parties has got to be about diversity and the growth of america and where it is and not just silos. Why start in iowa . We have to operate on the system we have now, and iowa is the first state. Moving forward certainly it does make sense, i think most of bernies National Rise at least recently has been from latinos, from california or texas and obviously the tiny sliver of folks here in iowa. I think the future of democratic campaigning, a good lesson for all campaigns is to take no vote for granted. Dont talk to a tiny sliver of the population you know is going to vote, capture the broad swath of americans waiting to feel heard by a politician and thats where latinos in this moment, muslims feeling under attack by this president feels Bernie Sanders is sticking up for them. We have got to completely do what youre talking about and the only way to do that is to make sure we have diverse states to eliminate caucuses because theyre antidemocratic, especially for people who cant go to the place, only 16 of people historically have participated who are eligible to vote, it is antidemocratic. This is not to blame iowans. You should have iowa be a primary. You should have iowa, New Hampshire, nevada and South Carolina on the same day, first, all four, to address the it doesnt have to be i think the Iowa Caucuses are dead, dead, dead. I dont think thats even a discussion anymore. I think that the nail has been driven through the Iowa Caucuses. But it shouldnt be driven through the idea that the campaign should start in a discreet small state or a state at least one state where candidates actually have to go and interact with human beings where everything isnt landing on a tarmac, making an antiseptic speech, moving on to your next thing. This is the only place in the process where people meet and thats how candidates who are not well known have a chance to leverage their way in. Thats how barack obama came forward. Thats how somebody spent a lot of time in california, i think that state is exactly what is wrong with american politics right now. The state is so big, you have to spend so much money, it is all on television. You have very little interaction. I think one reason Elizabeth Warren, one reason she started to breakthrough and resonate is she said im not going to talk to big donors. Im going to put myself in small living rooms with people and she started listening better and something about that interaction matters. I appreciate the sort of nostalgia of being able to do this. I think it is important to be able to go one on one. Start with one state. I hear you. But these campaigns now start 18 months ahead of time. If you cant get to the four small states in 18 months, then why are you im not saying to, like, totally i agree with you about california. It cant be california. It is too crazy. Small states, nevada. First four all in the same day. Thats a plausible, thats a plausible idea. You can shake those hands. Wasnt to think about what the field will look like right now if we started that way. Would we still have booker . Would we kill hastill have kama . Im glad there are candidates still in the race who picked those up and run with them, but we would probably be looking at a field that was much more representative of the electorate they hope to win over if we we heard these arguments every four years. About not from the democrats as much as look, Rick Santorum was here last night. Im old enough to remember when he had to wait two weeks, in 2012 to get his results on the Iowa Caucuses. And so every year it is sort of like, well they recognize, i think, iowa recognizes i dont think iowa recognizes. I was texting last night with the former chairman of the Iowa Democratic party who said very clearly this isnt about iowa, this is a glitch, people should wait a day, there are thats not this is a can i just the Democratic Party this is the question. When will the Democratic Party decide this seems to me, though, this seems to me like a second order issue because that is going to be litigated after this election. There is an election going on here. And the question is, where are we coming out of this thing. You said the word glitch. I just want to point out that when you look at the advertising for this app that failed, one of the big points was it is a low cost solution by a not for profit organization. I love not for profit organizations, this is not the thing you want a low cost solution for. You have a billion dollars, i dont know how much money was spent in the state. 68 million. 68 million spent on the state. Were going to save on the app . Listen, 60,000 bucks on an app, thats not i have a low cost solution, hands. Sharpies. Phone banks. It worked for a long time. Important point, want to point this out, there are this things you have a single point of failure, for anything significant, thats not where you go cheap. You want to do if you got to spend money anywhere and had a single point of failure in everybodys hand, and were paying a huge price, unbelievable price, you can add a zero to how much money was spent and still the difference here is that it is not a difference, the distinction is often were in the search for why. The iowa story is not a why story because i dont care what the explanation is. You didnt do your job, okay . Were not fascinated by the idea it was an app and a glitch in coding like nobodies what those words mean. Everybodys life is about apps. We understand. Should have been able to get it right. Said you had three backups to the backup, this couldnt have been true. You have the numbers by now. It is a what story. It is a what story. Why . Because this party is trying to figure out who best takes on the president of the United States, one of the most fierce campaigners ive seen in my life. And you are nowhere closer to that. And now your next step to do it, which is New Hampshire to give some sense of semblance, even though you wont have the diversity throw youre looking for, is compromise. So now youre further behind. We have to take a break. When we come back, well be in the hunt for new information about where the Iowa Democratic party believes this process will go and when. During wayfairs mattress markdowns event save up to 65 off top mattress brands. Now through february 24th. 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