From the time in the canoe i spare i spare know gory details, including a horrible burn on my foot one day, but it was an amazing journey. Senator tim kaine, thank you for being with us this morning. You say you have a special talent for sleeping on the ground a special talent for writing as well thank you so much, john. A new our Have Cnn News Central starts right now his our the res of the Michigan School shter will comeace to with the parents of t sons, victi howong will the Jge Nowell Jas and Jennifer Crumbley theabout to spend behind bars a direct pitch to push Republican House speak mike johnson ouof his job republican Congresswoman Maie Tayr Greene and her w attack on johnsons leadership just th morning. D hes Accused Ofledgg his algiance to isis and making plans to attack churches in idaho. W, one teenager is bawin,y john berman, sarah is out todayis is cnn news centra any Momt Sentenci in miigan, the first parents convicd for the carried out. They well find out eir fate. James an jenniferrumbleeach face up to 15 years in prison. Defense attorneys e asking for them to be givetime served. Andn an uonventional move to say the let one is even offering to allower client to move in wither to live under house arrest. Both were found guilty on four counts of Involuary Manslauger Aer The Son killed four students and a Mass Shooting at hihigh school cnns jean casarez. And folling all of thiforest, shes back here with us now. This ia very important day for the victims and their families. How is this going to play out . Were waiting to see this rht now . This is going to be so emotional it, this is an emotnal ment for everyone thats involv becau the defendants are going to find out their te. Will they be in prison for the next 15 Years Willhey Ve the Advisory Guidelineshat the probation depament delops, which is fouro seven years or will they even be able to have that time served ry important in both sides are goi to work with the facts on that. The factof this first ever homicide in th country charges agait parents because they didnt pull the trigger. Trigger at oxford high school. But that moment when t parents of the four children that were killed, gun down by Ethan Crumbley at oxford high school, go to Thpodiumnd We Haveearned Iwill only be the parents, the close Family Members of those foustudts, because those arthe four convictions, the hicide convictions and they will be le to ur out their heas to james and Jennifer Crumbley, even speaking directly to them, weve heard that inhis couroom re. Other circumstances of how their life has anged, how their life will never be the Sameecause Ey will say that the parents you bought that gun for your d when you knew he cou do something you knewe had emotional problems and four days later is when that mass were goingo watch this play, out together. See in the box next to you is inside court rit now were gon kee watching this very closely. This is all about to get Underwayany Second Jea thank you so much john. All right. With us now, Attorneys Misty Marris and robert bianca. Misty, i first eu here. What will the judge take into consideration when determining the sentence . Yeah, john, so its gonna be aggravating factors and Mitigating Factors. So prosecion, tyre going to present e aggraving factors thatot of that is going to be what we just heard. Jeanne speaking aut those Horrible Vict impact statemen from those th were impacted by the deathsf those four for kids, thenere going to hear Mitigating Factors thats where the Defense Isoing to lk about all of the things that should lower the sentence. Thats gonnbe focused on their own witnesses. Were going to be able to come up. Theres Family Members for crumbley believe and aition to that, theyre going to say that theyre remorseful and theyre also going to focus on thfacts heretheyre not eres ree pillars and criminalusti system, a rehabilitation deterrence. And punishment. Thats why we incarcerate people. So the judge is going to be thinking about those three buckets when ultimately determining a sentence so far weve talked about the unprecedented nature of this. You do have some concerns about that yeah, i really do. Is a prosecutor. We typically dont criminalize civil actions and usually would criminalize the actions that a person themselves actually performs or doesnt perform. This one is more attenuated or its bringing brought out a little bit more work what were saying, were going to hold the parents responsible for the actions that they did not contemplate it, did not envision that there wasnt a conscious disregard that they did not know was going to happen for what it was that their son did. And well concerns me as a former prosecutor in a homicide prosecutors, ive seen situations where it may make sense in one case, but then starts getting used in all sorts of other areas. And parents have to be now aware that they may be held responsible for all sorts of conduct of their children. Okay. Be that as it may, theyve been convicted already. So this issue already asked and answered to an extent. But how will that impact the sentencing . Do you think do you thi the judge will have that going on Ring Considerations well, havent been around a lo time ago. I he to tell you that the are a number of people we will are dead here. So thats ing to weigh very, very heavily as an aggravating factor, as miss the head indicated, now the Sentencing Guidelines are between 3. 5 years to seven years. Prosecutors are looking for ten and 15. So the judge is going to have to balance these aggregates preventing and Mitigating Factors. But the fact that there are four deaths year is going to weigh very, very heavily on the judge. And because of the publicity of this case, my experience has been the more publicity, the more harsh the sentence is going to be tried separately, yet being sentenced together. Whats the likelihood that their sentences will be the same or different . How will that be determined . So the judge could make a determination that the sentences its are different. Yeah. My gut is telling me that they are likely to be the same. However, in the presentencing memos, both sides submit these memorandums. The prosecution was very focused on a jailhouse phone call that James Crumbley made, which remember when we were covering the trial, john, we didnt know what the content of the call was. So the prosecutors are saying that that was actually a threat to prosecutors. Now, of course, defense, their countering that saying this is just him with a grievance and hes allowed to not like what the prosecutors are doing. Thats his right. But thats certainly something that were going to see prosecutors focus on with respect to James Crumbley, could that enhance a sentence . I dont think thats going to move the needle for the judge. I anticipate they will be the same, but thats something certainly that could be taken into consideration. I saw you shaking your head. This is just ridiculous. Whats going on in this case in terms of the characteristic . Fascination and evidence has been allowed him, which i think is going to be subject to a potential reversal down the road because youre not allowed to introduce that evidence. And now prosecutors of which i was one are going to be so genteel and upset that they believe that its an appropriate factor that because hes angry with prosecutors at that should be a reason why hes sentences increase. Thats not in the sentencing code. And again, once again, i think prosecutors are overstepping their bounds as a prosecutor myself, id never would be saying im personally offended. Therefore, the sentence should be higher because they attacked me ridiculous Victim Impact Statement they will be wrenching what actual effect do they have to what extent has the judge already got the sentence ready . Yeah. So you make a great point because there is so much work that goes into this and determining the sentence before we even step into the sentencing hearing the memos that we were just speaking about, which lay out the arguments of both sides. So certainly the judge has an idea of where there theyre going to land. We know their state Sentencing Guidelines, as bob said, threeandahalf to seven years, prosecutors are asking for an enhancement. However those Victim Impact Statements, they could move the needle at the judge can take all of what happens today into consideration. So to the extent he has something, it is mind which youd likely does it could be enhanced, it could be more towards those Sentencing Guidelines that defense could move the needle. It just depends on what happens in the courtroom. Misty marris babadilla. Thank you both so much for being with us. Appreciate it okay. New this morning, the republican congresswoman taking on the Republican House speaker. Its about ukraine aid, but its also about so much more the chaos and struggle for power within the Republican Party. And just this morning, a new letter, Marjorie Taylor greene has put out. Special counsel, jack smith and his new argument for why donald trump should not not be immune from any crimes he committed while in office. And back champions, What One Of Uconn star players just told cnn . John berman this morning about their big win over purdue Erin Burnett Outfront tonight at seven odd cnn, we had to take our old gas heating that was a huge project. I was so overwhelmed. So i started contacting people off of the edge it to work with people that knew what they were doing. It was a game changer get started today at angie. Com. 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This was a pretty direct filing from jack smith yes. 66 pages pushing back on everything that donald trump is arguing to the Supreme Court to try and get rid of the case against him in federal Court Related to the 2020 election the Justice Department is laying out a lot of points here. So lets go them go through them. Theyre saying that nobody in American History has ever intended for there to be immunity around the presidency, not the people who wrote the constitution like Alexander Hamilton and not even in recent memory during waterge d after the Watergate Scandal during the presidency of richard nixon. It doesnt hurt the presidency for there to not be immunity for someone like a former president to be charged with a crime. This is a key point in this filing where the Justice Department says there are a lot of checks to make sure the prosecutions of someone like donald trump are not political in nature. Theres a grand jury that has to approve an indictment. Thes a jury at trial, and then theres the cots themselves that checkout the law and the case before a case goes to trial also, they say what trump wants here is radical. That what he is arguing for the immunity would allow for things like a president to commit crimes such as bribery, murder treason, even sedition. Those are the examples given in this filing to the justices lining up for this argument. And then finally, john a quote, A Pretty Strong Quote in this, a president s alleged criminal scheme to overturn an election and thwart the peaceful transfer of power to his lawfully elected successor. Thats the paradigmatic example of conduct that should not be immunized on top of saying there should be no president ial immunity, a former president should be able to sit for trial. The Justice Department also argues that the Supreme Court should not send this back down and further delay things in this case to the lower courts this should move on to try to trial. And donald trump should sit before a jury. Yeah, its an important point there. Jack smith, clearly concerned about the ideaf even more delay even if the supre cot nt rule againshim, peray Katelyn Polantz. Thank you very much for them. Okay. Lets talk about this right now. Joining us is former federal prosecutor, Elliott Williams john and caitlin. Were going through some of the high points of what was in this filing what stands out to you in smiths latest filing sure. The last point that caitlin had made about this question of delay, its a very important won an argument that the trump team is putting to the Supreme Court almost as an offramp of sorts of saying that well, even if you cant resolve this now, ladies and gentlemen, please send this back down to lo