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CNNW CNN July 3, 2024

Everyone. Thank you so much for joining me. Im fredricka whitfield. All right. Were less than 24 hours away now from witness singh history tomorrow, Opening Statements began and the trial of defendant donald trump, the first former president ever to be on trial. For criminal charges. Trump well, Walk Into A Manhattan courtroom tomorrow morning, where he will hear the states case against him. He is facing dozens of charges related to an alleged Hush Money Payment to Adult Film Actress Stormy Daniels made before the 2016 election this is the first of four criminal cases against trump to go to trial. 12 jurors and six alternates will decide trumps fate. Heres cnns brian todd ready to empaneled jurors have been excused from former president trumps Hush Money Trial, underscoring just how crucial the six alternate jurors are, whove just been seated in a case of this length in a highprofile case, the alternates are as significant as the regular jury panel, because theres a very high likelihood and probability in this case that one or more of those alternates are going to end up on the journey. The alternate juror is there to take over a spot on the 12 member regular jury. If one of the regulars has to drop out of the trial one of the reasons could be illness they could have a Family Emergency or Something Else could happen like they cant follow the courts instruction not to post things on social media. Court veterans say the life in limbo of an alternate juror can be strange, unsatisfying, and tougher than it may see. Lets difficult to to be very present and to really focus as much as jurors might need to with the idea in the back of their mind that they might not really need to deliberate at the end of it. All but as one alternate juror in Police Officer Derek Chauvin is murder trial said being an alternate doesnt mean the case weighs on you any less heavily every night when i would come home i felt exhausted. It was pretty draining, pretty emotional and that juror didnt even know she was an alternate until the end of the trial in some cases, the judges purposely dont inform the jury which of them are alternates and which are regulars until they start deliberating so they dont have that issue of knowing. I might not have to deliver aid. Do i really . Planning to listen to this . There are six alternate jurors for trumps trial, while that may seem like a lot for a complex and highly charged case, it may not be enough all right. He appears to have pulled the gloves off, council during oj simpsons lengthy murder trial, ten regular jurors were dismissed for failing to disclose something allegedly passing a note or considering a book deal, or simply telling the judge i cant take it anymore ten alternate took their place. What happens if the Trump Trial Runs out of alternates would be up to the defendant whether or not he would want to consent to a verdict with 11 jurors, but i dont believe that he would do that in this case. And you would have a mistrial. The alternates are always in court during the actual trial, but dont join the final deliberations unless theyre needed. What happens if a regular juror has to leave the case during deliberations. What happens then is the real jury has to basically start over their deliberations. They have to deliberate as though they hadnt done the deliberations theyd done with the first with the original juror and start over with the alternate juror. Whats the best advice for an alternate juror trial consultant leslie ellis says, try to forget youre an alternate, participate in everything you can with the other jurors, Pay Attention to every bit of the evidence. Pretend that youre one of the first 12 because you very well may at the end brian todd, cnn, washington all right. Lets discuss all of this further with retired California Superior Court judge ladoris cordell. Shes also the author of her honore, my life on the bench. What works, whats broken, and how to change it. A judge cordell, welcome back. Thank you so much for having me. So tomorrow is a major step in this historic trial of donald trump. What needs to be established in tomorrows Opening Statements . Well im glad you called it a statement because some people erroneously call it an opening argument. It is not an argument. The Opening Statement is the first time that the jury gets to hear from the lawyers aside from jury selection. So the Opening Statement is a roadmap for the jury in an effective Opening Statement pigment tells a story. Why . Because Everybody Loves a story. So the prosecution will go first, followed by the defendants. Trumps lawyer they dont have to give their Opening Statement right after that they can wait until the entire prosecution case has done. It rarely happens that way, but it could so whats critical in the Opening Statement is that the lawyer whos giving the statement to the jury has to read the room maimed. The goal is to persuade to persuade the jurors. So if the jurors eyes start to glaze over if theres yawning and fidgeting the lawyers losing them. So my advice to these lawyers, theyre season, they really dont need my advice, but its make your points. Dont be redundant and then sit down and also do not promise evidence that you are not going to produce during the trial. And if you do that the other side is going to have a field hell day saying a said theyre going to do all this and they havent done it, and theyll do that in the closing arguments so there is a fine line fredricka between a statement and Opening Statement and an argument and frequently, lawyers cross that line. They do it very carefully. They start to argue the case instead of basically saying this is what were going to show with these witnesses. Occasionally their objections that happened during Opening Statements, but its very unusual. Most lawyers dont do it in this case. I think theyre going to be a lot of objections from trumps lawyers as the statement lets are being made. And by the way, it isnt just statements. They have every right if they want to use audio visual effects, they can have a monitoring showing photos of witnesses. They want to theyre going to have testify. They can have quotations from depositions all of this again, has to tell a story to get the the jurors to keep them very interested and get the jurors to like them so finally i seriously doubt that donald trump will be able to contain himself during the prosecutors Opening Statement. He has to sit there quietly, not show any emotion when the prosecutor starts talking about what they intend to prove and all of these allegations against him, which do not make him look good, in which he has consistently denied. So if he fails to contain themselves during the Opening Statements, if he starts saying something or are conducted some self in a matter that is absolutely inappropriate or disruptive, then you know what hell be facing a Contempt Charge in addition to the ten contempt violations, hes going to face on tuesday. Oh, well, lets talk about that tuesday potentially. I and you mentioned his attorneys could object to some of the things that the prosecutors say and the openings statements. So that too could be the urging of a very frustrated donald trump that could produce some fireworks. But as it pertains to tuesday, and the judge, juan more considering the prosecutors multiple claims of trump violating a gag order should more sean have had a hearing on this sooner than tuesday will this be an interruption of flow of information to the jurors you talk about reading the room after hearing Opening Statements tomorrow and then tuesday, theres going to be this hearing on these potential Contempt Charges. How does that go . Right. And thats a very good point. Youve made the Contempt Hearing will not be in the presence of the jury. And this is based upon ten violations that are alleged by the prosecutor. And this is criminal contempt not civil contempt. Civil contempt basically is, you have not comply with an order because you just havent done something and usually comes up and divorce cases where one spouse highs the assets of another and the judge has produced the money and the person says, no, the judge locks up the person until the person says this is where i put the money. So basically in civil contempt, the person has the key holds the key to the jail cell. All they have to do is give up the Information Criminal is different. The act has been done. So the allegation here and criminal is that he has violated the gag order ten times by posting on social media and posting on his website. So this is out of the hearing of the jury. It is a criminal proceeding. The prosecutor has to prove each violation beyond a reasonable doubt, and actually, if the defendant also has a right, trump has a right to assert the Fifth Amendment against incrimination and not say anything at all. Oh my god. And then case is proven then the judge then impose his punishment. Okay. Last three smoke use. And judge, russia needs to tell the former president possibly to bring It Toothbrush next time he violates the gag order. On the other hand, does the judge have to be particularly careful not to take any beit . So does bag or gave the defense room for potential appeal later . Yeah. The Toothbrush Punishment is still out there, but the the law basically is to impose a fine. Here theyre asking 4,000 per violation and thats what the law says. And then the judge also has the option in other imprisonment. So at this point this is violations that are what are called Indirect Contempt, meaning it occurred outside the view of the judge. Thats why the case will then have to be proven. And if the judge finds that happens in the judge has the options of first imposing a fine and a fine is not going to do much for donald trump to deter you want with the punishment deter the conduct you want to punish, but also deter the conduct a finds not going to turn because hell just go to his maga base and raise the money to pay a fine, but it is the first step. And then this judge is not hes not someone whos just going to have that donald trump take control the courtroom. Thats not going to happen so that is The Next Step up and The Next Step is and its right in the new york code is imprisonment. He can be sentenced to jail time. And is that entirely possible . Of course, it is. So if if there is this Indirect Contempt and outside of the view of the judge, and then theres direct contempt if he acts out in the courtroom. The judge is not going to have any option but to have a jail cell telling to bring the toothbrush and maybe that will get through to mr. Trump. Wow, fascinating. I cannot wait to hear your Point Of View after what could be a very fascinating week, even though cameras are not in the courtroom, weve got reporters will be in the courtroom, who will be able to give us detail of the goings on our judge ladoris cordell. Thank you so much. Welcome and of course, you can watch cnn for special live coverage of the trump Hush Money Trial tomorrow, 9 00 a. M. Eastern on cnn and streaming on max amid ongoing protests on campus today, an Orthodox Rabbi associated with new Yorks Columbia University is warning jewish students the campus is not safe and they should quote return home until it is tensions remain high at columbia after several days of propalestinian protests and arrest the unrest follows an appearance by the universitys president On Capitol Hill last week cnns Polo Sandoval is joining us right now. Polo, whats the situation on campus so for a gesture, we had opportunity to actually step on campus, which since last weeks incident when by pd had to be called in at the request of the president of columbia university, had to detain well over 100 students. We have seen an encampment on campus. There for on the south lawn continue, if anything, its actually grow. Now, i had an opportunity to speak to a student on campus yesterday. Thats been observing the situation every single day says it has been peaceful and the university hasnt had any sort of need to interject. So the question is, how long will that in cabinet be allowed to remain in place . But now in a separate vein a conversation that would art jake tapper had opportunity to have with a rabbi associated with colombias Orthodox Union Jewish Learning Initiative that rabbis sending a message from a personal account so about 300 mainly orthodox students on Campus Warning that is likely a good idea for them to return home. In the conversation, the rabbi had with a colleague, jake tapper, out to read you a portion of what he what this rabbi said and the reason why he issued this warning to some of the students on Campus Rabbi Writing in a response to the scene on campus last night to just horrific videos of protesters on Campus Calling for jews to be killed. Just off campus. Jews being yelled at to go back to poland, text messages. Im getting, he writes constantly from jewish students about how unsafe they feel the rabbi wrote, i thought it is important to state the severity of the situation now, adding to the rabbis message, weve actually also heard from other jewish organizations on campus that feel that the university is simply were not doing enough to make sure that jewish students feel comfortable and safe on campus out of this sounds familiar at all. This is because this is part of the larger conversation that weve already had for person several months where you have people on all sides of the ongoing debate and then protests, feeling that the university is not doing enough because what we heard from palestinian supporting crowds just offcampus here they continue to call for the campus still basically defined divest some of those Companies Directly get linked to israel. So it really, its all sides what weve been hearing today. But the reality is for the university, not just here, but throughout the country, they are now grappling with how to deal so with intensifying demonstrations, not just oncampus, but as you see behind me, off campus as well, fred. All right. Paula sandoval thank you so much President Biden is urging the senate to pass a critical foreign aid bill quickly as ukrainian president zelenskyy warrants his troops need weapons. 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