Only note, please behave if you go see beetlejuice this weekend. Thanks so much. Wow Everyone Needs to leave the room when that video comes on. Thanks. Have a good weekend. Good evening, everyone. Im pamela brown in for abby. The feds are asking for a gag order on donald trump and the former president is daring the judge to give him one. The Special Counsels team wants to make restrictions on what trump can say about the election interference case, accusing him of telling lies, and threatening prosecutors. It is a pretty extraordinary move given the circumstances of trump being a president ial candidate, and trump for his part wasted no time firing back. He called jack smith deranged. Just moments ago, accused the feds of trying to silence him during a campaign. Did you see today that deranged jack smith . Hes the prosecutor. Hes a deranged person. He wants to take away my rights under the First Amendment. He wants to take away my right of speaking freely and openly. Keep in mind, trump has a long history of trying to intimidate his way out of legal trouble. There is a record of this after Paul Manafort and rick gates were indicted by robert mueller. He said trumps personal lawyer said he would take care of them. And Rudy Giuliani said he should sleep well because he had friends in high places. And trump called Roger Stone Brave for refusing to flip, eventually pardoning him. A trump lawyer left a voicemail for Michael Flynn on the eve of his guilty plea suggesting flynn would stay in good graces if he stayed close. As president , trump ordered his white House Counsel to publicly lie about efforts to fire mueller after trump fired fbi director james comey. He fired him with tapes if he talked. And during a live hearing, trump personally attacked the former u. S. Ambassador to ukraine who was asked about the tweet in realtime. Its very intimidating. I cant speak to what the president is trying to do but i think the effect is to be intimidating. And the Georgia Investigation Trump recently told a republican witness not to testify, and the january 6th investigation, the intimidating continued. After our last hearing, President Trump tried to call a witness in our investigation. A witness you have not yet seen in these hearings. Im going to bring in former january 6th Committee Counsel marcus childress. Great to have you here on this friday evening. Lets dive into this. Trump, no surprise, wasted no time firing back at jack smith and his latest criticism, he is saying with this limited gag order that jack smith is requesting, that essentially, he is trying to take away his First Amendment rights. What do you say to that . I say its baloney. Shepherd versus maxwell cited in his brief, on page one. Thats the case. When you have a trial, the outside influences and the influences inside of a courtroom, they can be controlled by the judge. Whats paramount in a criminal trial is the integrity of the process, number one, and the unbiased nature of the jury pool and the jury that is selected. So thats the purpose of the gag order. What bothers me about donald trump is he is going to violate the gag order if it is issued. There are clause thats theyre asking for, the government, and he cannot possibly comply with that. He is not allowed to talk about the merits of the case. Thats what the proposed order says. He will violate that in a new york minute. So im applauding the Special Counsel for seeking the gag order, but just, were creating a can of worm for donald trump. So what does that mean . If he violates it, what would happen . Jail time . Cuffs. And heres what judge tomkins should do if she ever listens to me. Give him a couple of mulligans. Let him hang himself after a gag order. If he breaks the rules two or three time, you have to do something about it and incarceration would possibly be a remedy. It would have to be. I hear your point about you have to respect and abide by the decorum and rules to of this case and the courtroom and so forth. This is unique in that he is the leading republican president ial candidate. I mean, how much should the judge weigh that as a judge looks at this request and decides how to move forward . The court will have to look at the facts before it. But you cant ignore this Elephant In The Room that you just said. That hes the republican nominee. Jane mentioned the integrity of the process. And i think this is what were seeing with President Trump repeatedly. He tried to undermine the integrity of the election process leading to january 6th. Now hes doing that same play book leading up to his trial with the Special Counsels office. And the Special Counsel is doing an extraordinary remedy saying you have a chance, court, to try to rein this in and prevent some violence like we saw on january 6th. And going back to you are why opening with roger stone, it is interesting that the Special Counsel cites that case, that obstruction of Congress Case in its filing about the gag order. And i think we cant separate the politics from this. That donald trump stands a lot to gain from this and from his rhetoric saying hes trying to take away my First Amendment rights. It gins up his base and list supporters. I had an Epiphany Waiting to come on your show. I think donald trump wants to poison this jury in the worst way because he knows that the evidence against him is so strong, and the only way he can win is to create a jury pool that is so tainted. I finished a sixweek trial in february and march of this year. The judge did the best he could with the jury pool and he concluded he had a fair jury. But there were answers and responses in our jury pool. It was an oath keeper, that were just over the top. Donald trump is multiplying that time five. And it will be impossible, or very hard to get a fair and unbiased jury pool. Let me follow up on that, and to you on that point. Jack smith is making this argument, too. That trumps public rhetoric will further prejudice a jury. But some might hear that and say, look, he was the president of the United States. How are you going to get an unbiased jury. The jury has to follow the judges instructions. Thats the real key. Or do you have an opinion formed so concretely that you cant follow judges instructions . I think im more worried about the safety of the jurors and the witnesses who dont want to really be involved in this. Theyre called to their civic duty. You heard senator romney mention how there were members afraid to vote on impeachment because the former president was tweeting about how they should vote and they were scared for their safety. If you have congressional members afraid to vote a certain way, man how a juror would feel if you have a former President Tweeting these things out about the process and how it is out to cheat him. So thats what im concerned about. It the Special Counsel is also worried about that. Marcus brought up a good point. Page 13 of this gag order motion. There is the United States versus brandon fellows. For a juror, the jury sent a note. They wanted to confirm that the defendant does not have any personal information on individual jurors. So what marcus just said about the jurors being scared, that has happened already in one of these cases. And i do want to add this. In our jury pool, believe it or not, there were several jurors that just shut down. Did not watch news. Just read online and they tuned out everything to do with donald trump. And they live near the u. S. Capitol. I do want to note in the larger context of the threats and the concerns, we have seen how his public rhetoric has impacted election workers, some having to get personal protection because of the way he spoke and his allies, Rudy Giuliani, and so forth. So its not unfounded in that broader context. Marcus and jean, thank you again. Appreciate your analysis and perspective on this story. This breaking story. Up next, well head to the picket line to speak with a mother and daughter autoworkers duo on strike tonight. Plus, well check with the Chamber Of Commerce on why theyre blaming President Biden for this. And one ceo taking heat for saying Income Inequality isnt the issue, that it is actually worker arrogance. That they work for the employer, not the other way araround. man are there e any snakes . woman nopepe. man are you sure . . 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They are demanding a pay raise over ten years and a 40hour pay for 30 hours of work. They are offering counter proposals including Double Digit Pay raises but they are nowhere near close to what the union is asking. The strike is already making an impact. Ford laying off 600 workers while gm said it will idle about 2,000 workers next. The ua president saying today that 80 of the Union Demands have been left off proposals from the Big Three Automakers. I want to bring in lisa and her mother and fellow member marilyn. They are currently on the picket lines in wayne, michigan. Thank you both for coming on the show. I want to start with you. You were there. Youre there at the picket line. It started last night. How would you describe the mood out there . And how are you feeling right now . Well, the mood right now, everybody is calm. We have fellow workers with us today. Im really nervous about how this will be. And how long it will take. Marilyn, youve been working at ford for almost 22 years. How important is the strike for you and your fellow members . In your view, has this been a Long Time Coming . Its been a Long Time Coming. Weve given up so much. And its about time that ford, chrysler, gm stands up and takes care of their people. We need the tiers to be gone. We gave away so many things. Now it is our time. Time for them to give back to the workers. We are the back bone. We are the ones that put value in this car. Not the cs. Let them take a pay cut, the ceos. When you say you gave away so much, youre talking about during the 2008 financial crisis, right . Yes. We gave so many things up. And now when i go [ inaudible ]. I want to go to you, ana lisa. There is a demand of a 40 pay increase in ten years. Would you be willing to go back to work for less than that . Honestly, like what theyre giving, what theyre offering right now, 20 , no. It would have to be more than, it would have to be more than 30 at this point. Were already seeing layoffs happen by some of these Auto Companies. Are you concerned the longer you hold out that your job could be threatened, eliminated, or possibly these companies could turn to Artificial Intelligence in a way that is faster than perhaps they were planning on. Similar to what weve been seeing with other manufacturing jobs. What do you think about that, marilyn . Well, at this point, it doesnt scare me. We have to do what we have to do. We stand together with this. So whatever happens, we have to leave in it gods hands. Good luck to you both. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you for having us. I want to bring in neal bradley, executive Vice President of the u. S. Chamber of commerce. Thank you for your time tonight. The Chamber Of Commerce is blaming President Biden for this strike. Why do you think he bears responsibility here . Well, i think part of what were seeing going on in this strike and a summer of strikes. Over 200 strikes so far this year and counting, is this kind of sense of Unrealistic Expectations of what can economically be done. No one is talking about not raising employee pay. In fact, you just showed the graphic yourself, bringing in this segment. A 20 pay increase that is being put forward by the major auto company. The question is, what kind of pay increases can be absorbed in this moment . And i think what weve come to realize, when you want to increase pay by 40 , and you want to get paid for five days but only work four days, these are the types of demands that just arent grounded in economic reality. And if they were to be forced upon these companies, what it would mean is that theyre going to have to shutter their operations. No one wins in a situation where unrealistic demands Means Companies can no longer operate. Thats what concerns us quite a bit. Youve heard what they had to say. Look, this is about recouping from all the sacrifices we made, and theyre arguing that ceos got 35 pay increase. So is that really out of line, what theyre demanding for their own pay increases, given how the ceos, how many theyre making . How much of an increase in their salary there is . And the fact that there have been record profits for these Auto Companies in recent years . There is definitely a lot of apples and oranges going on here and it is very hard to compare some parts of compensation with others. You really do have to look at the collective things that are being requested in this instance by the uaw. I think one of the reasons were in this situation is because the president s approach for an all of government pro unionization at any cost has created these Unrealistic Expectations. If you look at whats happening in Public Policy today, the thumb is being put on the scale in favor of labor in a way that brings things out of bounds. When you begin to see it in the real world, in negotiations like were having today, we end up in situations where the two sides are so far apart, we end up with strikes like this that will end up becoming economically devastating. Not just for the nation. Not just for these companies and these employees. But all the Small Businesses. The suppliers, the restaurants in these areas who wont have customers anymore. So this is not a costfree exercise here. Thats why we need to get back to reality. Thats why were urging the administration to help get the parties back to the table. And most importantly, bring back balance to the Labor Management relationship. And i want to note, given what youre trying to argue, that this is bidens fault. The uaw has not endorsed President Biden in this president ial race. And as we know, President Biden has spoken out about this and that, look, the ceos as i pointed out earlier, theyre making so much more money. It is tight for the workers to make more money. You pointed out the economic risk and how this can be felt throughout the economy. Theres really no telling when this will end. The last one if 2019 which was not in this grand scale. It lasted for about 40 days. How could American Consumers feel the Economic Impact of this strike . Well, lets start with the fact that those who are buying new cars and eventually those who end up buying used cars will pay more. So as cars are not rolling off the end of that assembly line, as we have a mismatch between supply and demand, prices are naturally going to go up. That will be compounded by the fact the demands being made by the units today will have to be made up somewhere today. That will be made up in higher costs paid by consumers. Not to mention that you