Candidates make their way through the crowd. So what they are doing right now is that they are both seated inside the stadium. They are, indeed, watching the Football Game, trying to take part in the spectacle of all of this. The undercurrent of all of this is their rivalry, the president ial politics rivalry. Desantis is seated in the crowd with iowas popular republican governor, donald trump is seated inside a stadium box. Now ahead of entering this particular stadium, what we saw is more of the sort of rubbing elbows with the students, trying to pose for the best president ial picture in this caucus state. They were tailgating, donald trump was at a Tailgating Party at a fraternity where he was signing footballs, he was throwing footballs. He even flipped some burgers. And as he walked around the stadium and walked into the stadium, he was greeted by very loud cheering. Desantis, same thing. Also trying to tailgate, meet with people. He had a number of Campaign Stops ahead of coming here to the stadium, and what you heard desantis talk about is not just football and what this day means for iowans, but he spent a good deal of time talking about how hes ahead of trump on the number of visits to the state. Hes been here eight times since he announced. He talks about how hes been to more than half of the 99 counties here in iowa. I want you to take a listen. And im actually starting to hear a lot of people say because youre showing up, im supporting you, because thats the way you got to do it. Iowans dont want the campaign to be about the past or to be about the candidates issues. They want it to be about their future and the future of this country. And thats what i represent. Reporter what he wants to do is show himself standing amid 60,000 iowans who are inside the stadium. This is, jim, as you know, a big rivalry game between University Of Iowa and iowa state. University of ways, though, right of iowa, though, right now is winning. Still dont know about you know, you could ask either campaign on who they think is winning between the two candidates. But you know, certainly donald trump is ahead in the polls. Absolutely. All right. And it is football season, and i mean, if iowans are out there campaigning watching the campaign develop, you know that the caucuses are going to be coming up soon. Kyung lah, thank you so much. Lets get perspective, joining us, cnn commentator republican strategist alice stewart. Former adviser to Bernie Sanders 2020 president ial campaign. Chuck roca and vanity fair correspondent molly jongfast. Great to see you. Chuck and allison in the studio with us which is great. Let me start with trump as you know has been ramping up rhetoric following these four documents but had this rally, had choice words to say about it. Lets listen to what he said in south dakota and talk about how it sounds a little familiar. Lets listen to this. You have to get out, and you have to fight like hell because these are dirty players, and what we have to do is we have to take back our country. We have to scrape that whole situation out. [ cheers ] we fight we fight like hell, and if you dont fight like hell, youre not going to have a country anymore. Alice, are you concerned the former president is using almost the same language he used on january 6th. Even after all the indictments. Right. Thats exactly what his base wants to hear. That kind of language, it plays right into the red meat. The reality is there are a lot of the people Football Game in iowa and across iowa and these other early states, they dont want to talk about the past. They want to talk about the future. And as Governor Desantis said, thats what voters are looking to hear. And as im talking with people in the state of iowa, im hearing several things. Donald trump is clearly way ahead in the polls, in a lot of these states. No ones writing this race off now. They are still looking at all of the candidate, talking to all of the candidates. They certainly are recognizing the fact they have a caucus duty in iowa, and theyre listening to everything they have to say. But what donald trump said last night in south dakota and what he is saying to his base certainly helps his base, but Many Republican voters are looking to hear Something Different about the economy, about jobs, about School Education and immigration. Thats what they want to hear, not Donald Trumps past grievances. Chuck, does donald trump want another insurrection, or does he want another election . He wants to put his message out there that he keeps over and over and over talking about theres an old saying in the south, if you lie long enough about having a horse, eventually somebody will buy you a saddle. He keeps saying didnt lose the election, your life is miserable, the economys bad, listen to what im saying. Thats the redundancy because its just politics of grievance, hope and inspiration went out the door ha long time ago. To my Sisters Point hes feeding that red base because only a few will vote in the caucus, were a minute group that likes to have a say so. Molly, can we write this off as gardenvariety trump political rhetoric . I mean, you never can after january 6th, you can never write him off. Weve seen what his base is capable of. That said, a lot of these people from january 6th are being sentenced to serious jail time. Of course there has not been a lot of accountability for the people higher up in that situation. I would just argue that im not convinced that desantis has such a different vision than trump. Hes sort of trump without the charisma. This sort of b side of trump. So im not sure hes actually offering much that trump isnt offering. And alice, i mean, one of the things you were saying a few minutes ago is that there are republicans out there who want to hear a different message, they want to look to the future. But it doesnt the polling shows us that thats not really the case. And isnt the Party Running out of time to stop trump . Well, we dont have a lot of runway left between now and the iowa caucus. What im also hearing from Republican Leaders in iowa and the evangelical leaders in iowa which are critical, theyre saying that the polling that were seeing doesnt match what they see on the ground. They see these candidates, all of these top candidates, going to the pizza ranches, going to the coffee shops, going to peoples homes and lighting up the rooms and getting people engaged. We know that several of the candidates are doing what we call the full grassley, go to all of the 99 counties, and theyre talking to these people and understanding that they have to meet these people face to face because thats exactly what they want. And they do they want someone that not only can win in the primary but can broaden the base, bring in more moderate, disaffected voters, suburban moms that donald trump has lofts because we absolutely has lost because we absolutely have to have that to win the general election. Chuck, i want your thoughts on a recent remark from republican president ial candidate vivek ramaswamy. He would deport american born children of undocumented immigrants. Lets listen. Family unit will be deported as a family unit. Well never separate families. But we will debureaucratize for the process which lawabiding citizen and families have a path to Legal Immigration into the country if they meet the criteria. The child born in the United States, the bitter rights in the United States would be De Birth Rights in the United States would be deported . Yes. What do you think of that . I think its hates and discontent. I think the American People are sick of that. Hes trying to feed red meat to the base, and thats all hes doing. What hes doing is hes turning his back on lots of folks who risked their lives to come to this country in lots of ways including my family, lots of my friends families. This country was built on immigration. It was built on folks who,spire to do great things in this country, and i think what hes doing is a disgrace to himself and what the whole party stands for when you start going to that trumpera side of that i think people are tired of that. Yeah. And molly, staying on the topic of immigration real quick, its not just republicans talking tough on this and using incendiary rhetoric. I mean, there have been some critics of the mayor of new york city, eric adams, who say hes been using that kind of rhetoric, as well, saying that the migrant crisis would, quote, destroy new york city. What did you think of that . I dont know how that guy got to be mayor. Thats all i can say. I mean, hes a democrat in title only. And you know, if hes so i mean, he has an opportunity, he knows the mayor. Wait, he is the mayor. And yet all these does is complain all he does is complain about immigrants. He runs our city. He can do a lot of stuff. First of all, antiimmigration rhetoric from a democrat is, in my mind, just a travesty. This country was made on immigrants. And every time we malign the very fabric of america i mean, what are we saying as a party . And then also, hes trying to hide his incompetence, and its really disappointing. We could have had maya whylie, its a travesty. And you know, hes trying to appeal to republicans because he thinks that will help him stay in office. But i think that hes really going to have trouble with that kind of rhetoric. Lets talk about Fulton County. Alice, Fulton County grand jury report was released on friday. I was curious what you thought of the report, says the grand jury recommended charges against republican senator Lindsey Graham, as well as the other two former georgia senators who lost their races. Fulton county d. A. Fani willis decided not to prosecute Lindsey Graham, but this is how Lindsey Graham is reacting. Listen to this. What i did was consistent with my job as being United States senator, chairman of the judiciary committee. But it was just not me. Three United States senators were opening up pandoras box. What do you think of that . Heres what i was he doing his job as a u. S. Senator . His explanation of this is he was just inquiring about the election results. What i think this says more than anything, there really pushes back on all these republicans notion that all of these indictments including Fulton County are weaponization of the doj, criminalization of politics. Theyre going after political enemies. What this says is that a grand jury, a Special Grand Jury wanted to hand down indictments against 39 people, and the d. A. Decided actually, these people, we dont have enough support for, overwhelming conviction in this case, so im not going to bring down indictments against key senators. Were talking about kelly loeffler, perdue, and Lindsey Graham. She sat back and looked at how will this play out in a court of law and decided ton move forward. So not to move forward. So i think if shows that the prosecutors in Fulton County are looking at this through the correct legal lens and Law Enforcement lens as opposed to political weaponization. And chuck, lets talk about the cnn poll that everybody has been talking about all week. It shows twothirds of the president s base want a different candidate. Democrats want a different candidate. Only a third wanted to run again. People have been quibbling with this poll and where the results really are. Especially put him up against donald trump, democrats are going to vote differently. I know, chuck, you talk to focus groups, to democrats. You used to work for Bernie Sanders. Is there a concern . Does the white house need to be dealing about this more forcefully . Does the biden team need to be dealing with this more forward leaning . Ive been a Yellow Dog Democrat since i was 18 and could vote, and im a democrat so i get up every day worried. It makes me worry more, let me be clear. As democrats, its a long time before the election and thats right, but theres also not that long before the election. And Everybody Knows who donald trump is, and Everybody Knows who joe biden is. Theyre probably going to be nominees. Can we be doing better communicating all the great things that joe biden has done, absolutely we can. For all of you democrats out there, this just means we always have to run like were ten points behind, and its going to be a close election. There country is very polarized, and yeah, when i do focus groups do focus say joe biden is old, absolutely they do. They also say hes got a lot of things done and it shocked a lot of them all the things he could accomplish in his first two years. You got a to keep plowing the field and not be distracted. I think he would have a better chance making the case for the economy as opposed to the administration because theyre not doing it. Six in ten americans feel the country is worse off under this administration and the president s Approval Rating below 40. Chuck, you need to get on the road and make the case. And molly, final word from you . I do not trust any of these polls, and alice was saying she doesnt trust the polls. I think we shouldnt trust the polls here. Were 400 daysplus out from the election, weve seen every election since 2020 joe biden has over performed by a large margin. We were told there was a going to be a red wave midterm, there was nothing. So i am not going to freak out about polls at this early date. Yeah. Biden has been in this place before. That is certainly the case. All right, alice, chuck, molly, thank you so much. In the meantime, we are following Breaking News. More than 1,300 people are dead after the earthquake in morocco. Were live on the scene with our sam kiley and others to see some of the devastation firsthand. Please stay tuned for that. Well also tell you how you can help the victims. Plus, a new advisory on hurricane lee. A big, Powerful Storm Out there near the caribbean. Well talk about that and what it could have in terms of impact on the u. S. That thats also coming up. Hey david. Connect with an advisor to createe your personalized plan. 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