It doesnt hurt people. Its been out on the market for 60, 65 years for malaria and lupus and other things. I think it gives you an additional level of safety. It doesnt hurt people, he says. He should really ask his fda about that because they have warned about it. Another example . Testing. It could be the testing, frankly, is overrated . Maybe it is overrated. We have more cases than anybody in the world. But why . Because we do more testing. But Health Experts including in his White House Task force, continue to insist much more testing is required to contain the virus. Not overrated at all. You can also look to his refusal to wear a face mask, including today to visit republicans on capitol hill. Or his insistence he is going to continue shaking hands. If youre left wondering what the motivation of all of this could be, since it all goes against what medical experts are advising the rest of the country do, listen to what the president said yesterday when he first acknowledged he is taking hydroxychloroquine. I was just waiting to see you recall eyes light up when i said this but, you know, when i announced this. But ive taken it for about a week and a half now. And im still here. Waiting for your eyes to light up. The big reveal. But one thing he cant deflect no matter what is the crisis the country is facing in terms of Public Health and the economy. The virus has now killed more than 91,000 americans. More than 1. 5 Million People in the country have been infected. And more than 36. 5 Million People have filed for Unemployment Benefits since march. The numbers continue to astound. Lets get to it, though. Kaitlian collins is live at the white house. What struck you what the president said on capitol hill and we are likely to hear more of it in a few minutes. Yeah. We havent really seen him go at length today as he was answering questions. So he could do that in this Cabinet Meeting here today. A Cabinet Meeting he has not had in quite sometime. On the hill he was defending his use of hydroxychloroquine when he was asked by our colleague, youre not a doctor. Some doctors have recommended against taking this if you have coronavirus. So why is the president promoting it . He acknowledged, of course, he is not but he said he works with doctors and he downplayed some of those studies including Veterans Affairs one which showed can have harmful side effects if coronavirus patients do take hydroxychloroquine. That comes after we learned that Vice President , himself, said he is not taking it. Of course, we know the president started tag it after one of his staffers tested positive and so did one of the Vice President s. But he says his doctor has not recommended he start taking hydroxychloroquine. This comes after late last night the president posted a question on twitter he will cut off the World Health Organization until major changes are made but he is hesitant what changes he wants to see and at times he has criticized the w. H. O. For praising china and too slow to respond to the criticism outbreak and criticisms the president has also faced. A lot his cabinet can and is focused on and see if updates coming from the Cabinet Meeting how they are responding to this crisis in the country. Stick around for us. Thank you so much. Joining me now, me is dr. Steven who is from the heart and Thoracic Institute and a doctor epidemiology of Harvard School of Public Health. Thank you both for joining me. You have some real concerns about the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat the coronavirus right now, as studies are still under way. Why are you so concerned coming from just to reinforce the point with everyone at home, youre a cardiologist. I am a cardiologist. I do have concerns. This drug hydroxychloroquine has been associated with a very serious heart rhythm disturbance known as ventricular tachycardia and can be lethal. In the absence of benefits that is harm is quite serious. What people may mimic the behavior of the president and get their hands on the drug and people who, obviously, shouldnt be taking it and have this very serious adverse effect. So, you know, it is really important that people not take this to the point where they actually take the drug. Lets get the Research Done and if there is a benefit, great. Im very dubious about whether there will be a benefit, but certainly in the absence of a benefit, people should not be taking this drug. Dr. Nissan, one more for you. The president has often talked about he did it again today actually in defending using hydroxychloroquine against fda guidelines saying its been around a long time and used to treat other illnesses so why not . He said today even it doesnt hurt people. As a cardiologist, what do you say to a patient who would say the very same to you in your office . First of all, these drugs have been around a while but they are used to treat serious disorders like lupus and Rheumatoid Arthritis. Not used very much any more for pro provo lax sis for malaria. If you have a established indication for the drug, but even there, physicians are very, very careful. Just a few weeks ago, i treated a patient with Rheumatoid Arthritis that came into the coronary care unit on hydroxychloroquine and had a series of arrhythmias and required eight or ten shocks. That patient was very lucky to survive the episode. I dont want that to happen to people who just casually take the drug because they hear from the president that its really okay to do that. Dr. Mena, from a Public Health standpoint, clear and consistent messaging is a cornerstone of it. More broadly, what is the impact of the president of the United States saying essentially its fine and im fine and what is he doing is endorsing this essentially while the fda says the opposite. I think two parts to that that. One of the major features is can any sort of confusion in terms of Public Health messaging can be extraordinary definitely. And when there is confusion in the public, then it essentially average person sort of free rein, if you will, to make whatever decision they want to make based on whichever data they want to choose to look at. But we know that some of that data is actually backed by evidence and some of it is just words from the president that may not be backed by evidence. But when there is confusion and discord in terms of how the messages that the public is getting, it leads to just the increased divisions a good thing when we have Division Like this when we are dealing with a crisis and particularly when that division is centered around best practices to control the outbreak and to treat people in the hospital. We can all acknowledge these are two very important. You both are getting calls as we are on air which is part of the fun of getting on tv in error of coronavirus so we will continue on. Dr. Mina, another thing i want to ask about as we were standing by the president who is meeting with his cabinet. Is anybody wearing a mask . The model that the white house has been leaning on in terms of death projections they just revised their death projection down because what they found the positive impact that mask wearing is improving to have in limiting the spread in populations. As the crisis continues, how fundamental are masks in the fight and what does it mean, again, if the president wont wear one . Masks are absolutely essential when it comes to respiratory viruses. There was confusion early on, again there was confusing Public Health messages saying that masks werent necessary, for example, among people who were not ill. But that messaging was really about with an effort to preserve the masks that did exist and make sure that there were sufficient numbers for health care workers. There has never been a question in the Public Health world of whether or not masks can whether their absolutely benefit is there and it absolutely it. It prevents the virus and the droplets that carry the virus from moving beyond the masks and on to other people. It my not always be perfect but serm any reduction in transmission gives huge gains to prevent spread. So, again, with the president choosing to not wear a mask, that is sending a very clear message to anyone who wants to receive it as such that its okay to not wear a mask. That just goes against everything we know about this virus and its respiratory transmission route. The presence of masks will, undoubtedly, prevent transmission from spreading so quickly. I think a lot of us wish that the president would send a consistent message that is consistent with the data that we know, with the science, and with the Public Health authorities and his own administration, that mask wearing is important to protect Public Health. Im constantly confounded with the pushback to wearing a mask. Its not challenging and its not hard and its there to help your neighbor and your family and those around you. You would expect them to do the same for you. Im constantly confounded by that, this element of it. Doctors, thank you very much. You now may return your phone calls. Thank you. The pressurery secretary and Federal Reserve chairman were in the hot seat today facing questions from senators over the trillions of dollars that Congress Approved for stimulus and Economic Relief for Small Businesses and state and local governments and hundreds of billions of dollars in loans that are still sitting in the bank. Cnns Congressional CorrespondentPhil Mattingly is in massachusetts and he joins us. And julie chatterly is with me as well. The speed they push them through is amazing. Why is some of the money just sitting there . Reporter i think its a good context. You think about it. These programs that venhavent launched yesterday almost half a trillion dollars and back to 2008. Its huge. A reason it hasnt been deployed yet. Today was a good good example why. The Federal Reserve is moving itself into the central bank never been before and setting your lending facilities to help businesses are United States taxpayer dollars serving as a baseline for those programs and not up and running yet. The treasury secretary tried to address that with this. Of the 500 billion, approximately 50 billion was in direct lending programs from the treasury and 450 billion was available for the 13 three facilities. Ive allocated about half of that. Let me be clear. I am prepared to allocate the rest of that. The only reason i have not allocated it fully is we are just starting to get these facilities up and running. We want to have a better idea as to which one of the Facilities Needs more capital. Reporter and, kate, i think that is the issue right now. When the fed is warneds warndero unchartered territory. I noted how the hearing was kind of a good example of the dilemma the fed faces. A push and pull here of they want to get the money out as fast as they can and they want to make the programs as expansive as they can to help the economy and want restrictions so some companies who shouldnt be getting the loans shouldnt get them he and executives getting large payouts arent able to take advantage of it so you see why this is complicated and this piece of the 2. 2 trillion is slower than the others to roll out but the expectations are in the next several weeks this money should go out the door, a crucial component of those 2 trillion dollars laid out so far. Julia, how critical is this money for what the economy is going to be looking like in the second half of the year . Its absolutely pivotal, kate. I couldnt agree more with phil in the scale of the challenge that we are facing in terms of the economy and the devastation created here, but also the scale of the challenge in just getting money out to people. Less than half of the 2. 9 trillion dollars that has been agreed here is even in the system and getting out to people into businesses. Remember that Small Businesses and mediumsized businesses represent over 80 of employment in the United States. If you dont get this money out to these businesses, then america cant get back to work. We cant get the millions of people that have been claiming for firsttime benefits and beyond back into the system. Nemp mi never mind the Health Challenges so we have to find that balance between restricting it and Elizabeth Warren coming in with criticism today. If you restrict things too much that is one of the criticisms of the 600 billion dollar lending program. You never get the money out there in the first place. These lawmakers are in a really tough position here. This challenge is so much bigger than politics and that was my big takeaway from today. Just get the money out there. Absolutely. But, again, it always will involve politics and that is why it then gets complicated even more. Phil, julia, thanks. Appreciate it. Coming up for us, while some colleges are already announcing they are going online really only in the fall, the university of notre dame announcing that it will bring students back to campus. But with some very big changes. Im going to talk to notre dames president next. Later, the white house releases new guidelines for Nursing Homes. But do Nursing Homes have what they need to meet those guidelines . We are going to talk to the ceo of one of the countrys largest nursing home chains. Tempurpedics mission is to give you truly transformative sleep. So, no more tossing and turning. Because only tempurpedic adapts and responds to your body. So you get deep, uninterrupted sleep. During the tempurpedic summer of sleep, all tempurpedic mattresses are on sale universities across the country are beginning to announce their plans for the fall semester and its Clear College is going to look very different this year. Take the university of notre dame announcing it will begin in person classes two weeks early and cancel fall break in order to end the semester before thanksgiving. Much earlier than usual. All in an effort to protect people who many fear is a second wave of the virus this winter. Joining me is notre dames president father john jenkins. Thank you, father, for being here. What brought you to this decision . Well, a lot of talking among ourselves, our faculty here and also with medical experts to find the best way to bring our students back. You know, we deeply believe in the residential experience here. It is part of the education we provide and it helps our students grow as human beings, mind, body, and spirit. Its important to us. So we just wanted to find a way we do that and do it in a safe way and we feel this is an important step to take. Yeah. A big part of the plan, as i saw, as it was laid out, comprehensive testing. How is that going to work, father . Do you have the capability to, right now, test all 12,000 some students and plus then staff . Not right now. That is why we announced it now, kate. We have three months before those students are here. We have to work hard in these months so we dont have it now, but we will come august. And be ready to go. Its an evolving field as tests come up. We want a very efficient and reliable test so we are looking at those and have them when the students are ready to come back. We know that even that element of efficient and reliable testing is changing daybyday as we are seeing. I saw in the statement from the school it also mentions there will than conveyor teen and isolation protocols as well. It struck me this is so implicated what schools need to consider every aspect of it. What does that look like for notre dame . Are you setting aside dorm torres for students if quarantine is needed . Dorm torres ae tore dormis are full and we sound a place off campus to send students who have tested positive and to keep the other students safe. Obviously, those people come in close contact, we will have to test them to keep the whole student body safe but we think we can do it. Its a big challenge but we will work hard and think we can do it. At this point and in this moment as you look ahead, do you just assume that you will see covid cases pop up on campus in the fall . Yes. You know, i think its completely free. We will be as safe as we possibly can. We will address it quickly. You know, wherever these kids are. I know 18 to 22yearold young people. Whether on the campus they will congregate and put themselves at a bit of risk. Our challenge is keep monitoring them and if they get sick to take care of them and we feel we can get through the semester and allow them to learn in a safe environment. Point of personal privilege. I grew up about 45 minutes from notre dame. What does this mean for football season . Oh, great question. Im afraid i dont have an answer to that. Our First Priority is the education of our students. But we are working on that. We are talking with other schools. Its still not clear what the football season will look like. I hope it happens. But i just cant say anything definitive right now. That is understandable. Just had to ask. Lets talk about january really quickly. What is the marker, father, that you are looking at that you need to see before you bring students back then in january after youve ended the semester . Yeah. Well, obviously, everyone is hoping for a vaccine. That will be kind of in a way, the bullet in effective reliable available vaccine. But we are not going to assume that. And this is sort of the new normal, kate. We have to be able to deal with this in a was whey where we can educate our studen