Transcripts For CNNW CNN Newsroom With Ana Cabrera 20191117

CNNW CNN Newsroom With Ana Cabrera November 17, 2019

Security aide told impeachment investigators that Gordon Sondland, the Eu Ambassador at the center of this european ukraine scandal, claimed to be acting on trumps orders when conveying demands, demands that democrats equate to a bribe, to get ukraine to investigate his political rival, joe biden. Also backing that theory up, a state Department Witness who says he personally heard the president ask about investigations into the bidens. David holmes testified trump called this Eu Ambassador sondland and was talking so loudly the ambassador had to hold the phone away from his ear, and what he heard was ambassador sondland telling trump the president of ukraine loves your bleep, to which trump responded, so hes going to do the investigation . Hes going to do it, sondland replied. Lets get to cnns lauren fox on capitol hill. This is going to be putting sondland in even more precarious position going into these hearings next week. Thats right, and Tim Morrisons deposition transcript, just released a few minutes ago, essentially builds on the case that Eu Ambassador sondland was getting direction directly from president donald trump, who was pushing the ukrainians to announce these investigations. What morrison testified was that sondland quote was discussing these matters with the president , and he went on to say that he believed that Gordon Sondland and President Trump had spoken approximately five times between july 25th, the date of that phone call between President Trump and zelensky, and september 11th, when that nearly 400 million in u. S. Military aid was finally released. What he said was on one of those calls on september 7th, he spoke with Gordon Sondland after sondland had gotten off the phone with trump. He said quote he told me he had just gotten off the phone with the president , he told me as it relates to ambassador taylors statement there was to quid pro quo, but president zelensky must announce the opening of the investigations, and he should want to. Ana . Tim morrison provided new details about what happened with that july 25th phone call transcript being moved to that highly classified server, right . What did he say . Thats obviously a key detail that was included in the whistleblower complaint, but what morrison said was that he talked to the nscs top lawyer, isenberg, who told him it had been placed there by miswake. John eisenberg relayed he had not asked for it to be put in there but the executive secretary of staff misunderstood his recommendation for how to restrict access. Now ana, next week is going to be a huge week because well hear publicly from Gordon Sondland, the Eu Ambassador, and tim morrison, whose transcript were reading tonight. The plot thickens, thank you so much for all that. Cnn political commentator and former special assistant to president george w. Bush, scott jennings, and cnn political commentator, former democratic mayor of tallahassee, andrew galen. Scott, you described the first impeachment hearing with diplomatic officials bill taylor, george kent, as a lost day for democrats because in your opinion nothing had happened to change Public Opinion. Since then weve seen new transcripts, a state Department Official telling congress he personally heard trump demand investigations into the bidens. Weve seen that emotional testimony from Ukraine Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch about the attacks on her by the president and his allies. Do you still feel nothing has happened to move Public Opinion . Well, i dont think Public Opinion has changed yet. Lets be honest, folks are entrenched in their corners. Ive been dubious anything could happen in american politics for the next year that would really change Public Opinion. Donald trumps Approval Rating has existed in a narrow band since he took office. However, i do think that these people that overheard this phone call in this restaurant, which as new thing, does change the game a little bit. It ups the stakes for the sondland testimony. The only person here that i think at this point we really need to hear from is sondland. He talked to the president are, he knows what happened, he was in the middle of this. Even yovanovitch on friday, who by the way i found very compelling and im a big fan of our Career Foreign Service officers, she admitted she didnt have a lot of information jermaine to the actual inquiry. Sondlands the key. If i were him, id be nervous as a longtailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs. Hes on thin ice and he needs to tell the truth because theres a lot of folks that witnessed some of the activities he was involved in. Id like to get your opinion, mayor galen, about whether you think enough has been shown to the American People to actually move Public Opinion. Yeah, well first, i think we have to acknowledge that the presentation by ambassador yovanovitch was compelling from every single angle. Most people dont really know the inner worrings of the state department. Its very aloof, what they do abroad on behalf of the United States. And frankly, our larger security, ambassador yovanovitch pulled back an important layer and showed the real Human Element and toll. And although that is not her goal while she gave testimony yesterday, if she were a recruiter, i believe she would have recruited a whole new generation of americans into the Foreign Services by showing the dedicated, committed work that was happening. To see all of that upended by giuliani, apparently at the direction of the president of the United States, was a deep offense, not just to her, not just to the Foreign Services and the Career Service officers, but to this country. And i think she made that argument very, very clear yesterday in a very compelling way. Mayor, when the average person at home is watching this, i would imagine there are some people who were thinking, yeah, but thats in ukraine, thats thousands of miles away, how is this impacting me as an american . Let me ask you this question, because the president tweeted this morning, dow hits 28,000, first time ever, highest ever, gee, pelosi and shift have a good idea, lets impeach the president , if Something Like that ever happened it would lead to the biggest fall in market history, its called a depression, not a recession, so much for 401 ss and jobs. Do you think the president has do the theyve done a good enough job, this is about bribery and the constitution when the president boasts the dow jones is above 28,000 . Its not just about those things, though those things are important, its also about the safety and security of this country. The department of state and what happens abroad through our embassies, quite frankly, when they are effective at their work, we dont have to send our men and women abroad to put their lives on the line in defense of the National Security interests of this country. When that goes awry, when people can no longer trust the United States and its word that were going to act in the best interests of this country, also the historic role that we have played quite frankly for the world, all of that has been upended by this administration. What is up is now down. What is down is now up. This administration has turned it topsyturvy. And thats the lightest phrase i could use to describe this. I believe that the American People are paying attention. Ill give you just one example. I was on a plane yesterday. Rarely when i look around the plane do i see on every single screen the same thing playing. Everyone was tuned in for the television stations that i could see from where i sat. That means were paying attention. The more they see, the more they learn. I think the more deeply offended theyll become. Scott, you talked about your respect for these career diplomats like Marie Yovanovitch. Three career diplomats, people who have dedicated their life to service to this country, testified about things they thought were huge red flagged, yet they were quickly dismissed and even mocked by some of the president s defenders. We have here a bunch of professional nerds who wear their bowties and they have their proper diplo speak. We heard from two self important, uncompelling, seemingly more important than they are, bureaucrats. Just like the geniuses who testified today, the two homeless guys. Fish are not this hydrated, hes always taking throughout the hearing took slugs from this thing. Is he on the treadmill with the water bottle . This endless parade of washedup bureaucrats and Foreign Service officers. They look like people who sat by themselves at recess. Scott, whats happening here . Are these witnesses so credible the only thing left is to take cheap shots at their looks and the water bottle on the table . I think whats happening is that there are people who make a living defending the president at all costs, even if it means making a fool of themselves in the process. The fact is these people are career professionals. They have things to say. Not everything they had to say was jermaine to the matter. But they had things to say, they said it, they did their professional duty, theyve served their country. We ought to thank them and move on. Thats what made the president s move on friday, to attack the ambassador with the tweets while she was testifying, frankly, strategically stupid. She was talking in a very heartfelt way about her service, about the things she thought should be happening. Some of it wasnt in line with the timeline of the events that were talking about. The white house could have easily let it go and frankly pointed out the places where she said she thought the Trump Administration had a better policy on ukraine than obama, they could have let it go. They couldnt let it go, he tweeted about it, which caused the republicans to have to walk on eggshells when they were questioning with it. These people serve our country. I believe in american soft power. They are the instruments of our soft power. Its how we project our goodness around the world. Their jobs are not easy, we dont pay much. When we ask them to come answer our questions we should say thank you. I reject all this, i think theres a way to argue this without being hateful to the people who serve america. Rudy giulianis name came up in terms of pushing this investigation into the bidens and this Smear Campaign against ambassador yovanovitch. How congressman gordon has defended Rudy Giuliani. The president s allowed to have who he wants involved in diplomatic concerns. So you think its fine for the president to basically get one of his personal attorneys to encourage the investigation of a u. S. Citizen, to all im saying is president s have had bono do Diplomatic Missions has bono investigated a political rival of a president that i dont know about . No, thats not what happened here. But the president was rightly concerned about what happened in 2016 mayor, he says its no different than sending bono of u2 on a diplomatic mission. What do you think of that argument . I mean, its flat ridiculous. Jim jordan has been making olympic moves as he has sat through these public hearings. Frankly because the news that has come from it has been extremely upsetting and theres no other defense than to sidetrack. Listen, it is very clear that giuliani played a role, designated him by the president , that obfuscated the official chains of communication for diplomatic work. Even ambassador yovanovitch gave the appropriate steps that would have been taken had the United States, as a part of our foreign policy, been interested in a deeper investigation into what has already been debunked by the u. S. Intelligence community, which has said and stated quite plainly that it was the russians who attempted to impact the 2016 elections. Not ukraine. Yet theyre chasing this personal prerogative of the president , which is inconsistent and not a part of the official u. S. Foreign policy. Scott, let me pivot. I have to ask you about the conviction of longtime trump associate roger stone yesterday on seven felonies, including lying to congress. A lot of people have gone to prison in service of this president. Michael cohen, paul manafort, michael flynn, rick gates, george papadopoulos, roger stone is on his way. Why do you do it . I dont know but theres a word in every column, lying, lying to somebody, lying to congress, lying somewhere. So my advice to people in this world, whether youre in politics or anything else, dont lie. Dont lie, just tell the truth. Most of the time thats what we teach our children. Thats what i tell my 3yearolds. Seems like an easy concept. Completely. In these investigations lying gets you in trouble. The underlying issues often can be resolved by telling the truth and saying, im here to be honest, im here when ewe lie, youre in a whole world of trouble. Dont lie. I dont know what else to tell people. It seems like an old lesson. I remember reading it in an old text we studied on sundays. Dont lie, everything will be okay. Can i add, the timing of this thing is quite interesting. We expect for ambassador sondland now to give testimony again, and this time it will be open. The fact that we have all just witnessed what happened this last week on friday, and obviously this chart youve shown, this should be a very, very, very clear signal to him that when he is before the congress of the United States and the American People, he best tell the truth. Hes already revised his testimony that was behind closed doors, now hes seen whats been publicized in terms of the other transcripts, it will be a very interesting hearing. His testimony set for this wednesday, there will be additional testimony as well this week. Scott jennings and mayor andrew gi gillem, thank you. Colin kaepernick, the embattled quarterback out of the nfl over three years, attacked by President Trump for his decision to kneel during the National Anthem, the subject of a nike ad campaign, finally getting his chance to work out for nfl teams today. 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The two sovietborn associates of Rudy Giuliani now under indictment appear to have gotten a lot closer to President Trump than we knew. 11 par us in and igor fruman charged with breaking Campaign Finance laws. Sources are talking about a secret men between the president , giuliani, and these shady characters at the white house. Vicki is here with these exclusive details. What happened and why did this happen . So ana, its december last year. Hanukkah party at the white house. 500 donors packed into the room. Lev, igor, the presidey slip ou private meeting with the president , where according to sources, right after the meeting the president tasks par nus and fruman to go to ukraine, to be his investigators. Parnas called it a great crusade. He said it was like a james bond mission. He called trump the big guy. And the idea ana, there was a sort of quid pro quo, a different quid pro quo from the july 25th phone call. The idea was that parnas would offer the then president of ukraine a u. S. State visit if the president and his prosecutor general announced investigations into the bidens. Again, investigations into the bidens is what the president was requesting, trying tone list these two guy

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