So i must be strong and open with this situation. When the sunrises over the java seas in a few hours, search planes and divers will be out on the water searching for more wreckage and more victims. And its not just the navy that will be out there. Paula hancocks has been aboard a fishing boat as the crew heads out to search for the wreckage. The search and rescue operation is over for this particular boat. Its a local fishing boat that weve been on and it just shows how the local community all wanted to rally together and to try and help the efforts to find this missing plane. And certainly, the mood on the way back to harbor as opposed to on the way out has been a lot more somber. We know that obviously, they are members of the local community. Theyre not just people who were trying to help the search and rescue operation. And we did also speak to one man who is part of the local government who is helping the effort on this boat. And he said he was very disappointed at the news but also relieved there had been some news. I am very sad about what was found today. I want to send my condolences to the families. I only hope they can find the strength to get through this difficult situation. So for this boat its now time to go back to harbor. Obviously, this is a lowtech way of trying to find anything in the water. This is done simply by the naked eye. So all the assets that can be of use and now heading towards the area where that plane is believed to be. Paula hancocks, cnn, indonesia. Our thanks to paula. And its not just the locals searching, a handful of countries. China, france malaysia australia, the United States, the uss sampson is in the java sea. And a second ship will join, as well. But how difficult will it be to recover this . Walk us through what we can expect. Well, the first thing you can expect is fairly favorable conditions. And by that this location where the debris has been spotted here is only about 100 miles offshore here. It is in an area that is generally shallow, 131 feet is the average. The area were talking about is more like here about 100 feet down. Thats all promising. Now, that said dont forget that any kind of operation under water like this is always challenge ing challenging. At this level, you can have divers that could reach down to the bottom and help in the search for the flight data recorder the voice recorder, for big pieces like engines, things like that certainly, its much easier to put a sonar array out there to catch the pinging off the flight data recorders and any sort of submersible robot to help search. Yeah, all of that is much more operable in this level. But, heres a point of comparison ana. When twa800 down off long island it also went down in about 100 feet of water. And despite the fact it took months ten months until they were able to find the last of the victims there and an awful lot of time gingerly carefully working up and down with divers and all this equipment to collect everything. The good news is in the end, they collected about 95 of that plane, and that gave them a tremendous number of clues as they built their investigation to explain why that plane went down. With some luck in this area, they may have a similar success rate in terms of collecting all the parts of the plane, all of the victims, all of which will give them clues as to exactly what happened ana. And they move into the recovery and the reconstruction phase. Tom, that diagram, that explanation is really interesting. We appreciate it. Now, once the wreckage is indeed recovered, the grim task of trying to recover the bodies as well. And eventually the remnants of the plane. And that will begin recovery of the victims as the first priority. That job will mostly fall on the divers. With us now is david, the Vice President of marine casualty and Emergency Response services for global diving and salvage. David, what will those divers be looking for . If you can walk us through the process of searching the wreckage . Certainly. Well, typically sonar survey would be conducted before the divers go down so there would be a good map of the debris field so you can see where everything is. Once thats established, the divers will go down on specific tasks going to specific components of the plane the debris thats been recovered so far would indicate catastrophic damage to the fuselage. Theyre likely to go get the loose debris that might fall out when you lift them out. That would require the divers to go inside the plane potentially. Of course they will be focusing in on the black boxes initially for part of the investigation. I know its a slow process, put that into perspective. How long might this take . Well really its the care that needs to be taken and were moving the pieces that really adds to the length of time. It would be fairly easy to go down and grab everything and pull it out. Were trying to maintain the integrity of everything as best as possible for the investigation and other purposes. For that reason, youre working in assumedly to 100 to 130 feet of water. The bottom time for divers is limited. Ideally saturation systems are used so divers can work for lengths of time down there. But theyre going to go down and carefully rig the pieces to be lifted up through the water and then into the air. Its the water air interface is when the pieces start to carry water into the air and get heavier. So it needs to be very carefully done. What kind of toll i can only imagine, that this is a difficult process for the divers not just physically but emotionally. What is it like for them knowing so many lost their lives . Its something that it comes with the job for a particular type of commercial diver. Its something you have to view as something that needs to be done. You work carefully, but always respectfully as youre dealing with wreckage and remains. All right. David, thank you. Up next our experts are going to analyze each piece of debris. What the images tell us about the planes final moments. Plus the son of a passenger on flight 370, which, of course is still missing is going to join us with his emotional advice to the families waiting inside the airport. And in a major story developing right now, ill speak with one expert who agrees with a Security Firm that says the sony hack was an inside job. Not north korea. This despite brand new cnn reporting that suggests otherwise. vo nourished. Rescued. Protected. Given new hope. During the subaru share the love event, subaru owners feel it, too. Because when you take home a new subaru we donate 250 dollars to helping those in need. Well have given 50 Million Dollars over seven years. Love. Its what makes a subaru a subaru. So far, theres precious little evidence of what happened to flight 8501. For now, investigators are sifting through what we have, including air Traffic Control audio, the last known recordings of the pilots voices. Singapore you want alpha departure . 7005, alpha departure 8501. What else can we learn from the debris found in the java sea . Author of Malaysia Airlines flight 370 why it disappeared and only a matter of time before this happens again, written before the latest missing plane. Also with us jeff wise Science Writer and author of extreme fear. Thank you, both, for being here. David, lets start with you. We have some pictures of the debris theyve collected so far. When you take a look. Youve seen some of them from other reporting weve been doing, what strikes you about what theyve pulled out of the water . Well appears to me what they have here. We thought that was a baggage from the passengers. After talking with some mechanics who work on that aircraft thats actually a go bag or an air flight bag. Whats contained is extra lightbulbs oil, if the aircraft had to land in a place where there was no maintenance and had to go again. So its the bag that contains that stuff. Almost like a first aid kit but more technical. Like in your car you have the extra lightbulbs, things like that. In addition to that the bottle that came out there is a bottle that is used to inflate the slide that goes over the top of the wing. And that slide that goes over the top of the wing is what i think the other object is, as well. It appears is what happened is the door that came off was in the baggage area. Because all of these things are contained in the same area. So something happened in that area. So that would be in the back of the plane underneath . Correct. Now, based on six miles from where the plane was last located according to the radar and the communication back at air Traffic Control, what can we learn from sort of how the debris field is now defined, jeff . Well bear in mind of course what we have now is just the beginning of the data thats going to allow us to define the debris field. So you know as the day continues in indonesia, theyll be gathering more material. Theyll have a sense of probably more a circular scatter pattern and then theyll do a drift analysis and i presume theyve been dropping buoys and know how the water is moving through this body of water. And theyll be able to narrow down the area where presumably the black boxes will be under water. Does a larger debris field mean one thing versus a shorter debris field . Does that tell us how the crash happened . Or is it more about currents that it tells us . Its both. Listen if you have a massive depressurization at altitude or decompression that, you know, blasts the material into a wide area from altitude, then that itself is going to give you a debris field. If you have an intact airplane thats hitting the ground at high speed, you can get a very compact debris field. Then as you point out, you then have the environmental effects through the water currents, always generally make a larger and larger pattern as time goes by. Now, compared to some of the other recent incidents, this debris field will be located much more quickly than some of the others. Like air france 447, for instance, it was five days before debris first was located. And so it should be more compact. But, yes, there are these multiple factors. And its obviously very sensitive how they go about doing the search. Very much so. Right, david . Everything has to be documented where it is. As far as 20 years ago were using gps to document every piece of wreckage at every accident site i was at. So luckily we could do that digitally. Before that it was flags and buoys and things. I want to read you something about the black boxes that we heard from i guess, the president of malaysia excuse me not malaysia but the air asia flight. And leading all of this. If i can find the piece of paper where i put it. And of course i cant at the moment. Ill paraphrase what he said. He talks about how once they find where the black boxes are if they indeed find those elements they dont actually extract them from the water immediately. They basically say, okay theyre here but theres a process, he says in terms of removing them in order to contain the clues they may hold. Yeah its a very sensitive operation, really and more susceptible than people would think. Its like a laptop being dropped in the water. Mostly what its about is the corrosive material. Mh370 we worried about pressures. If its low pressure and we bring it to a High Pressure it can affect it structurally. Were talking about the buildup of salt. And the salt thats on the components inside can actually short those components out and cause transfer of static electricity. So you want to make sure you rinse that thoroughly and maintain the same pressure as you bring it up and rinse that thoroughly and get all of the salt water out to where you have clean, pristine water to move everything out of there if it indeed was breached which most of the time it is. And of course, theres a little bit of a time limit on how quickly theyll find that because of the pings that those transmitters put out on the black boxes. There was a great race against time to try to locate the black box pingers before the batteries ran out and, indeed, they were never located before the time, 30day limit ran out. In this case, you know, weve got a much better situation, shallower water, much smaller search area. And so i dont think thats going to be a problem in this case. I think, you know people with memories are going to be fresh as david can attest that you know people were really thinking if only if only these batteries had been mandated to be longer. You know it would have been so tense. I dont think were going to be worrying about it here. Its tough to talk about the victims of this flight. Its obviously such a tough situation for those families. And we know that three bodies have is now been recovered. There were 162 people onboard the flight. One of the bodies that was pulled from the sea was of a woman. And she didnt have any clothing on, but her undergarments. I understand that tells us a little bit about, perhaps, the crash impact. Its a little early to talk about that stuff for me. But there are some very strict statistics that i wrote about in the why planes crash book about how as an accident investigator we can determine the speed and the impact. The only reason that we talk about those things and understand them so thoroughly is so we can understand exactly how it hit the air, the water in determining the initial cause. If we cant figure out the root cause, these are all simply clues. Its important to point out when we talk about these things and we have been today talking about these things, its not for the purpose of making it difficult for other people. And so, i think its best that at least for me im going to back off on that question until its pertinent to exactly what it is trying to accomplish. I think, you know we talk about it in the goal of trying to find answers for the families, as well. If youre a Family Member everybody wants first and foremost to know where their loved one is. Is it surprising that weve only now learned of finding three victims where there are 162 people on board . It is a process, it takes time. This is a fairly normal pace of after a plane goes missing takes time to locate the wreckage and then to locate the black boxes and so forth. There was a case in 2007 that was very similar in many respects to this air crash which a plane was flying also in a very similar part of indonesia. It took 12 days before wreckage was discovered. A lot of money and energy being expended. In the wake of mh370 there was a lot of concern about another plane going missing. Can this really be happening . And i think everyone wanted to move this out of category of missing airplane to trying to understand what happened trying to get a grip. As david says the reason that we apply all of this brain power and manpower to understanding what happened is so it doesnt happen again. We want to understand so that no other families have to go through this again. Exactly. And i guess ill let you have the last word on that note. How does finding these different pieces and providing answers for families and the rest of us help to prevent another disaster . Well, we talk about the root cause. The approximate cause is the last thing that couldve prevented the accident. We look for that and thats what the ntsb is finding, how could it have been prevented . What the clues lead us to is back up that chain of events through the swiss cheese is what we were talking about before. The defenses are the swiss cheese and the holes in those defenses when they line up and failures occur, thats when an accident happens. The ability to trace that back and find out what was the latened causes . Was there a failure in the system of being able to identify the storms . Or was it a decisionmaking process . A distraction in the cockpit, perhaps. All of those things are taken into consideration on every accident because were at a really fine detail now. Were not just saying were trying to reduce accidents and deaths. Were trying to reduce the potential for an accident or death, as well. So were really really working on those fine fine details. David, jeff thanks to both of you for being here. Just ahead, Richard Quest is going to join me live on how this airline is handling the investigation and also important, how the airline is treating the families. Plus developing right now, a Security Firm says the sony hack was an inside job that a former employee would be to blame and not north korea. Brand new reporting from cnn says otherwise. You dont think much about it. You never dwell on how it was made. Its just a blanket after all. But when Everything Else has been lost, the comfort it provides is immeasurable. The america red cross brings hope and help to people in need every 8 minutes every day. So this season give something that means something. Support us at redcross. Org youre driving along, having a perfectly nice day, when out of nowhere a pickup truck slams into your brand new car. 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