And liked to drink which you shouldnt have when youre running from police. Let me bring in justice correspondent evan perez who has all this great information from his sources. So as sweat is talking, what is he saying specifically about how they got out including that sledgehammer that happened to be laying around in the tunnel is. Thats right, brooke. Hes saying it really wasnt that complicated after all. It turns out that sweat told investigators he and richard matt found this sledgehammer to break a brick wall and make a getaway inside the prison and he said a construction worker eventually left the sledgehammer and that there were no power tools involved and the idea to kill mitchelless husband came from mitchell herself. Myth and mitchell were in a sexual relationship and mitchell said the opposite that it was matt and sweats idea to kill her husband and sweat also told investigators that initially, as you mentioned, that he and matt were getting along as they made the getaway but eventually he got frustrated that matt was out of shape and couldnt keep up with him and was also angry that matt was getting drunk on alcohol that they had found in a cabin, brooke. So if he got frustrated and he ditched him and ended up getting shot and killed and obviously he continued on until he was right and it could be interesting if david sweat in the end has to testify against Joyce Mitchell given everything that he is saying. Evan perez, thanks so much. Let me move along and bring in a clinical psychologist and former warden and Commanding Officer at Rikers Island in new york. Welcome. Thank you. Can you just step me first and try to get inside david sweats head because he said he ditched matt because he was out of shape. He was drinking in this cabin, but even more revealing sweat said that he was aware that matt had been killed. Upset he moved onward to canada. My question is whats in it for him to paint this picture that he david sweat, was the strong the mastermind the planner. Well there are several reasons. One, he can now be an uncontested hero. This is quite an accomplishment. A hero to who . To fellow inmates, prisoners and for people who are fascinated by these type of exploits. Further, he can without opposition talk about how he was the mastermind how he concocted the whole idea how he championed the entire the entire affair and it can raise his prestige among prison populations, so that that is one of several reasons why he may have done it. Secondly by saying that he masterminded the entire plot there can be other advantages. Unfortunately, even staff sometimes will have admiration for people who can accomplish these types of feats so it does not surprise me that being there is no one to oppose him that sweat is making these kinds of statements. And also from our observe reporting he continues to throw the seamstress under the bus so to speak but isnt speaking ill or bringing in any of these other Corrections Officers as part of the plot. That to me is significant. In terms of your own personal background i know that you study the Baltimore CityDetention Center where 13 officers there were charged for essentially letting a gang run the prison from the inside. Four prison officers were even impregnated by one gang leader. I mean when you hear that david sweat says it was this seamstress who wanted the men to kill her hour is it possible . It is possible. First of all let me say that these types of leesons can occur. The good news is they dont occur that often, but they can occur. As a result of that a lot of times things can occur such as this situation where the correction officer who was married to the lady was destined to be killed. Whose idea it was, thats going to have to be disconcerned. Sweat says it was her idea. She claimed she balked at the idea once they said she would kill him and she claims she used that as learning to make sure she carried out that part of the bargain. That will have to be determined through further investigation, but let me say this. Given the backgrounds of both of these individuals, i seriously doubt if either one of them would have survived if they continued to contribute to this effort. Let me let me play some sounds. This is from a man who new richard matt and david sweat inside the prison. This is what he said about david sweat, this cop killer. He was respected. He was respected because in that environment when youre in a prison environment, they judge you by your crime, when you come in. He was a cop killer. Yes. So he was respected. In there youre respect because youre all convicts. Thats the highest level fof praise you can get. Again, if hes saying hes the mastermind spending the rest of his life behind bars perhaps if he agrees to name names maybe he wont be in solitary as long has he could be. How will this all play out among the other inmates in terms of a hierarchy inside . Well clearly the fact that he was a cop killer that raises his presstige among convicts. The fact that he was able to achieve a rather vulnerable state. Hes a hero among the inmate population. Now what do the may thorts plan to do in order to this data systemtis system and how it will influence other inmates i think it will largely determine what involvement he has from other inmates. I seriously doubt from my Prior Experience that hell be let out in general prison population. Ever . If i were the Commanding Officer, unless i was ordered by the courts he would be in the type of isolation that is constitutionally appropriate but would give him very very limited access to the general population. Thank you. Youre welcome. Coming up next Donald Trumps brand in big, big trouble. Macys now dropping after neebsz did the same thing. Hear from a man who got macy to make that move in and another at an africanamerican church in the youth and a blaking story that could affect Airline Passengers everywhere and that is are carriers colluding to charge customers more . That all ahead hon cnn. I heard i could call angies list if i needed work done around my house at a fair price. Sure can. So i could get a faulty light switch fixed . Yup or make a backyard pizza oven . Oh yeah. I can almost taste it now. Tastes like victory. And pepperoni. You total your brand new car. Nobodys hurt,but there will still be pain. 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Reporter well brooke we are learning that the Justice Department has sent subpoenas to several Major Airlines as part of an investigation into quote, and this is the Justice Departments words, possible unlawful coordination essentially coordinating with each other and keeping ticket prices higher. That again, according to the jpt. We also know that they have spent physical sent letters on tuesday and this happened after senator Richard Blumenthal in june sent a letter to the department of justice asking them to investigate, blumenthal pointing out with all of the consolidation between these airlines that only four Major Airlines now control rough lyly 80 of the market and he had some concern that that sort of power would lend to coordination and higher ticket prices for consumers. He asked the department of justice to investigate this and now we are getting word they are doing just that. Brooke . Okay. Well look for more of your reporting on this. Thank you so much and and an africanamerican church this is a church the kkk burned two decades ago is now reduced to ashes against with en but it appears this time at ft. Zion church was an act of Mother Nature not hate. Officials suspect lightning sparked the flames there and our Meteorological Team spotted four straightling strikes in the area where mt. Psi orrin is locate. About an hour and a half drive from the massist massacre of the nine black Church Members just two weeks ago. Brian todd has more from this church in greeleyville south carolina. Brian . Reporter were outside the mt. Zion ame church if greeleyville. Can you see the burned out wreckage from the fire inside that opening there, the charred walls and rubble inside really all thats left of the building. It is the Brick Foundation so fared in investigators believe this has is been caused whichby a Lightning Strike. Given the history of this place tensions are high around here. 20 years ago this church was burned down by two members. Ku klux klan. It was renovated. It was rebuilt. President clinton, then president clinton came and rededicated this church. It became a real symbol of the struggles with civil rights in this part of the country, so the history of this is also whats kind of ratcheting up tension here and has a lot of these churches and the people who run them on edge this afternoon. Again, right now federal investigators believe that a Lightning Strike caused this fire but what we can also tell you, brooke a short time weve goeken to fbi investigators and they told us the canine teams went through here looking for any kind of accelerate and so far they kntd a cause of that form if not for a few days. Next Donald Trumps brand in trouble. Macys dumping him after nbc did the same. Hear from a man who started this drive a couple years ago. Thats next. Ook your trip online and get hot travel tips from the pros. Find more real possibilities at aarp. Org possibilities. Youre watching cnn. Im brooke baldwin. 2016 president ial candidate donald trump is losing clibs left and right. Controversial remarks hes made about mexicans and immigrants have cost him partnership with nbc universalch the Spanish LanguageTv Network Univision and now macys that. Retailer is fazing out his line of mens wear. Let me back up. This whole uproar began when he announced his candidacy when he spoke for quite a while and called mexicans rapists and killers. Last night during a speech in New Hampshire his vitriol continued. Hundreds of thousands of people illegals coming over the border hundreds of thousands in jail federal jails, state jails, local jails. The crime is see normous. When i mentioned that, people went crazy, what a terrible thing . Univision, who made such a big deal out of my statements because they are afraid of mexico and the reason they are afraid of mexico isnt because of the border though they are getting away with murder at the border remember i respect mexico and i respect their leaders. Illegal alien, rapes and murders, young baby in new mexico okay. By the way, hundreds of these articles. Now i dont know where they came from. They came from some place, but they are illegal. They shouldnt be allowed in the country. We need a border. All right. Again. That trump last night in New Hampshire. The news today about macys follows a major Online Campaign that demand it had cut ties with the real estate mogul. Well talk with the person who started that in a second and first up m. J. Lee broke the news on the split. Today donald trump is saying no no no im one who severed ties with macys and the other side saying the reverse. Right. Which is it . Who knows. I think trump will probably never acknowledge when hes in the fault and he has caused harm to him self. Look i think its interesting that the guy who loves to say the words youre fired is being fired left and right. You mentioned nbc cutting ties with trump. You also mentioned that he will no longer have a part in the miss usa pageant. I think that the macys news really goes to show that when you say disparaging things and racially offensive things and things that really hurt a wide spectrum of people that does not sit well with corporate america, when you have hundreds of thousands of people petitioning macys and saying look why do you sell stuff that this guy makes . Its really hard for a company like that to ignore that . When you look at the businesses the money hes lose is this backfiring . Yeah. I mean i think at some point he has to ask himself the question how much of a hit to my Bottom Dollar am i willing to take for sake of i guess running for Public Office . Stay with me want to bring in another voice, the man behind the Online Business urging macys to dump trump. The Campaign Began three years ago, executive Vice President for media matters and joins me now from washington. Thanks for being on . Thanks for having me. Let me ask the same question that i asked m. J. Here. Donald trump said hes the one severing the relationship with macy youre not the other way around. Whats your response to that . Well i think, you know if it could seem like a he said she said but, however, donald trump is now right now, trying to organize a Boycott Campaign against macys and if he was the one that made the decision to leave macys why would he then have to turn around and organize a Boycott Campaign . It just doesnt make sense. His own actions reveal the fact that he was deceiving everybody when he came out there abizaid that it was his decision. Listen fact that hes now thrown his hat in the ring a lot of critics have come out and said that this is a stunt or could be reality tv or this is just better for his brand, but as we were just discussing you know in terms of a bottom line really the opposite seems ton happening. We talked about you and starting this petition a couple years ago. Why did you begin that then . I actually started it exactly because of that word, the brand because i had come across a letter from macys ceo to donald trump and donald trump cant help bragging about himself and was actually the one that posted a picture of this private letter and the ps said that dont give up the real estate business yet but were developing a meaningful fashion business with your brand and when you think about Donald Trumps business i dont think about oneoff remarks here. His brand is bigoted bullying and macys brand i think about the thanksgiving parade fireworks, nostalgia, people have good feelings towards that brand. Macys marketing is built around that and to me as a macys customer at the time the brands are wildly inconsistent and thats why i started to take action. So you started to take action. Again, this is 2012. The Trump Organization in response threatened you with a lawsuit, and you got a letter. Let me just read a piece of this. Make no mistake. Your concerted efforts to harass and injure mr. Trump, his reputation and business dealings are actionable under law and will not be tolerated and they threatened no less than 25 million, and, again, all for what . Your petition . Thats right. Its because i was initiating this campaign. I wasnt saying anything defamatory or untrue and i wasnt even really hard attacking macys. I was just saying what macys brand represents and what Donald Trumps brand represents and when you put the two brands next to each other they are just not compatible. I did run some billboards around macys stores in the lead up to christmas holiday, but, you know i mean none of that was illegal. It was just donald Donald Trumps attempt to bully me into silence and to stop me. Im curious if youve hung on to that letter. I have. Its in a frame in my apartment. In a frame in your apartment. Its a twopage letter. Okay. I have it both pages, right here. Final question m. J. You weigh in as well because when we talk so much about the brand, a lot of this too, is politics. Obviously this is someone who says he wants to be the president of the United States and when you look at latest cnn polls which clearly donald trump is reading, quickly to you and then finely to angelo hes in second place behind jeb bush. Look i think a lot of that has to do with the hes the new face right now and makes a lot of headlines and makes a lot of bombastic statements. When you do that you do get a lot of attention and might get a bump in the polls. Im coming back from New Hampshire where i went to Chris Christies town hall event and i asked a lot of voters how seriously do you take donald trump, and there are a lot of voters who are offended by the comments that he has made and do not think that the party should be taking him seriously. Okay. Well leave it there. M. J. Lyrics thank you very much and angelo thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. And tonight hear the story straight from donald trump who will be joining my colleague don lemon at 10 00 eastern. Mustsee tv. Coming up next inmate david sweat who broke out of prison is talking a lot about the plot he matter of minded his relationship