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CNNW CNN Newsroom With Brooke Baldwin November 18, 2015

Ongoing operation. That was quite a large explosion in that direction. A second one now. Just hold on. No gunfire that we can tell so far. A third explosion. Fourth. That was much larger. Police asking them to move back. There are a number of military soldiers that are now being moved into the front as well. Were told that wiretaps led French Police to this alleged paris cell that, were told, had an imminent plan of attack intercepting, quote, just in time authorities say. We still do not know Abdelhamid Abaaoud, the suspected ring leader of the horrific terrorist attacks friday night, was in fact inside one of those apartments. The prosecutor saying he is not in custody. But if he was killed, well, that we still dont know. State television in belgium says a woman who blew herself up as the french commandos moved in was his cousin. Thousands of miles away, french war planes today launching new attacks on isis command centers in syria as an isis magazine claims it was indeed their terrorists who brought down that russian jet just a few weeks ago in late october, publishing a photograph of what they say was the bomb, the ied in this case, according to isis, a soda can and some kind of simple detonation device. That is, if you believe these claims from isis. Lets bring in nic robertson, Cc International correspondent. Nic, carly ward actually climbed on a rooftop close to where you are where she could see the raided apartment. Let me play a bit of that for us now. Weve managed to get on a rooftop from which we can see the building behind me. Im just going to duck out so we can push in and take a look at the Apartment Building that was the focus of these raids. We can see Forensic Experts have been moving around inside those rooms. Theyve been taking photographs, and you can see the aftermath of those blasts that were heard all the windows have been blown out. You can see the pock marks of heavy weaponry around those wind windows. Nic, the prosecutor just said that neither Abdelhamid Abaaoud, the ringleader, or the terrorist fugitive Salah Abdelsalam were taken into custody. But were still not sure if they were killed in the raid. Is that right . Reporter well, we know from the prosecutor now that two people were killed, and we understand that one of them was a woman. So it does leave it open that the other person was a man and it leaves it open that it could be abaaoud. What the prosecutor said was that the state of the building, the physical state of the building, makes it very difficult, dangerous to work inside. And at the moment theyre still determining the identities of the bodies inside. Its too soon to say, he said. In the last few minutes we heard a controlled explosion the Police Continue even after nightfall continue to go through that building. So it does certainly seem to stand up that the prosecutor said that they dont have freedom of movement there yet. So the process of identifying those two bodies could perhaps take some more time. And until that happens, i dont think were going to be quite clear on who was killed and whether or not abaaoud is still on the loose, jake. Nic robertson in saintdenis, where the raid took place this morning. Two of the suspects captured in these dramatic overnight raids earlier today were told are being treated at a hospital just outside of paris. Poppy harlow is joining me now on set. Poppy, you were at the hospital earlier. What can you tell us . Reporter i can tell you the moment that we pulled up in our taxi we were greeted within seconds by a Police Officer with an assault rifle. He would not let the taxi stop. Pushed us across the street. They wouldnt give us any details. What we do know according to our affiliate on the ground here, two message arrested in the raid were taken to this hospital, both had wounds to their arms, both went into surgery. One a few hours later, 1 00 p. M. Local time, was taken away with armored vehicles, with police. You can imagine the escorts presumably to be interrogated. The other were told still in surgery at the time, not clear how bad the extent of their wounds is. The critical part here, as you know, keep them alive, get them to talk. What will they say . Will they talk . Will they talk about how big this web is, the ring is . Will they talk about where the next target might be . Thats the big question, who those two men are we do not know. As you were saying at the top, not in custody, the one whos on the run and the ringleader. Were they injured . We dont know at this point in time. It really is amazing when you think about it there were ten individuals in these apartments. Only two dead. Reporter yes. And they blew up the floor. The floor collapsed. I was there earlier. Theres so much damage done to the apartments as you can tell from karissas standup earlier. The fact that 80 of them lived through this and only one of them who died did it to herself. Reporter killed herself. Also what i think is fascinating, jake, is the family connections here. Not only the three brothers with the one still on the run but now we know that this woman as the cuz an of the ringleader, who remember not even 30 years old. Thies are yioung people. The ringleader 14 months ago was apparently not very high up in isis ladder, if you will. And now being called the ringleader at least of this attack connected to the train attack a few months ago and the fact that now we know the one woman was his cousin, also that she apparently blew herself up. This attack friday, the first time theyve had suicide vests involved in a terrorist attack in france. A lot of firsts. A lot of people here have been talking to the people here, french people, who are now worried. Theyre talking about the kinds of suicide bombing attacks that you see in the middle east. Reporter absolutely. On a regular basis in iraq, syria, and occasionally recently in lebanon. Now happening in paris, france. Very chilling. Reporter this is paris. This is one of the epicenters of europe. We talk a lot about new york, the uk, paris. This is so foreign to them. They keep telling me, so many people, we dont want to be scared, but we are because this has happened twice in ten months. Poppy, it thanks so much. I want to talk more about the raids and the men and perhaps women that may still be at large. Joining me is cnns producer tim lifter. Tim, what more do we know about this ringleader . Why do authorities think he was the man in charge . Because hes had, jake, a long role in attempting to carry out attacks in europe. At least four this year alone, including directing a cell in belgium that was broken up in january. I think whats clear to investigators is that cell in belgium wasnt entirely there was a few left over and the remnants of this cell may well be behind this bloc because of the very strong belgium connection here and of course Abdelhamid Abaaoud himself is belgium. He spent time in jail with one of the leaders of last weeks attack, the man still on the run. So i think theres considerable concern that if abaaoud is not being killed today and we still dont know that, that he may have other groups, other units in france and in belgium who are ready to take action, jake. And tim, the authorities said in a press conference just minutes ago that they believe there were three coordinated teams of terrorists who committed the attacks in paris on friday. Now, we were also told that intercepted Telephone Communications led to this mornings raid in saintdenis. What more do we know about the ties of the two terror cells may have had to one another . Not a lot at the moment. I think thats what french investigators are going to be concentrating on with the eight people that have been arrested, particularly an interesting remark from the paris prosecutor in that News Conference just an hour ago was that the man who owned this apartment, who rented it out to the group that came to stay about a week ago, knew the leader of the group. So you have the possibility here of a support network that knew whether abaaoud or someone else, they were tied into this larger group. So although theres not much yet proven in the way of links between fridays tackers and the group that was there today, im sure investigators will think that that is highly likely. And of course abaaoud, his female cousin amongst those killed today, that for him is going to probably motivate him to continue and to accelerate these attacks across france, belgium, unless he is inside that apartment that has been so wrecked by this mornings gun fight that went on for more than an hour. Investigators say inside its an unbelievable mess. Its difficult to even suspect theres a body there. Theres just body parts. I its going to be difficult to establish whether abaaoud is that man lying in that apartment or whether hes still on the run and able to coordinate further attacks, jake. Yeah, i saw earlier at the site of the apartment. You could see through the window, the shot were showing to our viewers right now, Police Forensic teams clad head to toe trying to make sense of the wreckage before them. Tim, is there any further clarity on the question of how much of these horrific paris attacks from five days ago were actually planned and directed from isis leaders in syria . I think thats a huge question. What we got the sense of in investigating this and previous attacks is that isis likes to almost subcontract some of its work, especially in the field of foreign attacks. We know that french and belgium fighters very much hang out together in syria. They Work Together on the battle front. They plant together. So there is this possibility that a French Network that also involved another man more important than abaaoud who oes been a long time in the jihadist team. He is the voice behind the isis videos. If he is still active, theres the likelihood that further attacks can be launched on europe. But all the times, isis has opened a new front, that it has decided to take the war to europe. We know that six of the friday attackers had been to syria. We know was very quick on saturday morning to acknowledge and claim the responsibility for that attack. So it looks like more than ever before isis is directing at least in principle if not the details of the operation these raids, these attacks, in europe. Tim lister, thank you so much. Brooke, back to you in washington. Jake tapper, thank you. Well get back to you in paris in just a moment. Also what were covering today, disturbing new claims that isis used a soda can bomb. Heres the picture. To take down that russian passenger jet as they say leading to the deaths of 219 russians and 5 crusaders. Well talk to an explosives expert coming up live. Plus, as the global manhunt escalates, cnn is live inside syria where authorities at one point believe the ringleader could be. And you will see how the raid unfolded live on cnn in the overnight hours there in paris. The moments of explosions, the gun fire. Do not miss this. This is cnns special live coverage. 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Our cnn correspondent ian lee who is live in cairo. And anthony may is back with us today, a retired explosives officer security and consultant. Thank you both for being with me. Ian, before we get to the point that isis is saying, you know, that russia wasnt the intended initial target, the pictures here. Not only did they come forward and immediately claim responsibility, but now theyre saying, hey, this is how we pulled it off allegedly. Thats right. It took some time for them to come out and show this picture of what they said brought down the plane. It is an innocuous can of soda that explosives experts say could hold roughly a pound of explosive. You have the detonator and you also have the switch. Its a pretty primitive device that could bring down a plane. Now, the one thing, though, that is very concerning is in this magazine isis says that the initial target was a plane belonging to their, quote, americanled western coalition. They were trying to bring down a plane that could belong to the United States or any one of their partners that are bombing isis in syria. Theyre also saying that they switched their target to the russian plane only after russia started bombing isis targets inside syria. Now, we do not know if this is the genuine bomb. It does raise a lot of safety concerns, but it also could be isis trying to get investigators off their scent, trying to distract them. Were going to twait to see if they can find any evidence of this bomb, but according to one explosive expert who told cnn this sort of bomb would be detonated by someone on the plane. So a suicide mission, brooke. Ian, stay with me. Anthony, when i first saw this picture today and you are the expert here how could this soda can and what could be placed inside of the soda can take down a massive passenger plane . Good afternoon, brooke. You know, it doesnt take much to bring down a plane in flight if its placed in the most critical area of the aircraft breaking the fuselage. However, doing a forensic analysis of just the photograph, looking at the components that they presented to us, this device, the can contains a white substance. You see that whole in the bottom of the can. That would be where the detonator were moving from the photograph left to right. That hole shows a white substance. Now, that white substance could be the explosive component, possibly tatp, most like live, probably a plastic type explosive. The detonator, which is the second item from the left, there would be inserted in that hole. And then the item which concerns me is that switch, which is the item on the far right. Thats a single throw rocker switch with possibly a 9 volt battery attached to it wrapped up in tape. You cant see the battery. With the two led lights, red and green, then that wire that stick upz s up to the top. With just these components as demonstrated, an individual would have to initiate this device, meaning this device is in a suicide type bomb, initiated by the bomber himself by simply throwing the switch once everything is hooked up. Im looking at this now. To underscore your point, on the far right, you see that switch almost like an on off power switch. Youre saying someone would have had to essentially flip the switch to deploy the bomb. Exactly. Interesting language and again check the source, this is isis coming out of this online propaganda magazine, but they say it was 219 russians and 5 other crusaders who were killed. They call them crusaders. And number them at five. My other followup for you, we still dont know whether this was an inside job, someone on the inside at the sharm airport, or if this just simply passed through security. They say in this magazine, after having discovered a way to compromise the security at the Sharm El Sheikh international airport, they went on to take this plane down. Is this the kind of thing i dont know how familia

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