City there. Live pictures to stand before that podium and speak to a crowd of women in the runup to the states allimportant primary next wednesday. Trump is also in california getting ready to hold another rally there after firing back at Hillary Clinton over her scathing criticism of him. The only reason shes behaving like this and the only reason shes been dragged so far left, believe me, is she doesnt want to go to jail over the emails. Okay . Believe me. Folks, honestly, shes guilty as hell. Trump also tweeting this today. Quoting crooked hillarys tell prompter speech yesterday, she made up things i said or believe but have no basis in fact. Not honest that is what prompted clintons Fact Checking page. With me now David Chalian from washington. Lets talk about, you know good to see you. Lets talk about, you know, trumps counterpunching both in the wake of the speech yesterday as we took that live and then last night. How do you measure the counter punches as far as oohphs, specifics, versus character . I thought it was an interesting although not terribly surprising approach from donald trump because as hes said, right, hes a counter puncher. If hes attacked he will counter punch. As you just played there in the clip he went after her email scandal, questioned the legality of that and that theres a fbi inquiry into the email system and so well see that play out. But that he decided to do what Hillary Clinton was doing, which was to create a negative character frame around Hillary Clinton. To define her for his supporters and for those voters that are starting to tune in to this general election matchup, as you know, he calls her crooked or as a crook, if you will. What he did not do, i thought was really interesting. He didnt take on her point by point attack on him. You know . He chose not to sort of reassert certain Foreign Policy tenets and explain why shes wrong that hes dangerous or erratic or however she described him yesterday and he decided to do his own character frame on her and i think you got a window into what these next five months will look like. Theyre each trying to build these negative narrative and character frames through which they want to prosecute all their arguments now to november. On that, do you see that, as we saw on the speech, the beginning of the narrative and not only that, actually, let me ask you about we just heard that first lady obama, she was just giving a commencement speech at the city college here in new york and she, too, criticized mr. Trump without saying his name. We dont give in to our fears. We dont build up walls to keep people out because we know that our greatness has always depended on contributions from people who were born elsewhere. I mean, walls. Listen, that could have been met forical but you think walls and mr. Trump with regard to mexico. How did you hear those . Those are deliberately chosen words and no doubt about that. Its part of this onetwo punch we have seen from the obama team and the clinton team this week. President obama earlier in elkhart, indiana, drawing contrasts with donald trump and with the Republican Party overall. He did it in the town hall. Hillary clinton gave that speech yesterday on the same day that president obama was giving the commencement address at the air force academy. Also drawing contrasts and now the first lady an youre seeing as the democratic contest is coming to an end, seeing the Obama White House join forces, rhetorical forces, in a way with the Clinton Campaign. David chalian, thank you so much for that off the top. My pleasure. Also donald trump not letting up on the judge overseeing that Fraud Lawsuit against the now defukt Trump University, he tells wall street journal that the judge has a quote inhere ent conflict of interest and trump ripped the judge making controversial comments about his heritage more than once. I have a judge who is a hater of donald trump. A hater. Hes a hater. His name is gonzalo curial. The judge who happens to be we believe mexican. I think thats great. Thats fine. So lets bring in sam clovis for the Trump Campaign. Sam, welcome back. Nice to see you. Thanks, brooke. So, first up, got to ask you about the news. We know not even 24 hours ago House Speaker paul ryan endorsed mr. Trump and i think he was asked about mr. Trumps comments on the judge and he said he completely disagrees with him, being donald trump, and just was out of left field and disagree with the thinki ining behind th. Your response . Again, i think its the litigation on the Trump University issue is a separate issue. Its not associated with the campaign and its not an area that i deal with. Ill leave that he said it on the campaign trail. Ill leave it to mr. Trump to deal with that. Thats a part hes dealing with and not something im asked to look at and i wont comment about on it. What about paul ryans comments . I think that hes probably torn between what i think he thinks in his heart and what i think hes probably going on in his head and i think that a lot of these issues come down to the fact hes looking at someone transforming the Republican Party, frankly, transforming the electoral map of the United States. And i think speaker ryan is having a difficult time getting his head around what the aftermath of this campaign is going to be and what thats going to mean for the Republican Party and for the country and i think there are certainly some issues that speaker ryan would like to see remain the same and tell you and address it to speaker ryan, they wont remain the same and changed forever already. What do you mean exactly . Well, i think what we are seeing is we are seeing people drawn back into the political process that have been abandoned by both parties. Certainly by the establishment of both parties. We have had people who have hijacked particular terms and notions about what the Republican Party is about. And i think what were really looking at here is a resurgence of a populous movement in this country, a modern populous movement. Okay. Not the traditional populous movement we may have talked about 50, 60 years ago but a very much modernized version of it and i think it changes things in this country. Well, sam, with regard to the i cant pretend to know what theyre thinking or believing, but i imagine you would like to have speaker ryan out on the trail stumping for mr. Trump. I mean, can you tell me, have talks begun to have him to do so . I think they speak quite often and really what speaker ryan is really looking for is support for a legislative agenda for the next congress to come in here with a very difficult task. Hes got a difficult caucus. His own caucus to deal with plus having to deal with the democrats and their i get it. Hes got a lot on the plate and you would like him out and about for your guy. I think he will be out there supporting us and see a lot of soon . Well, i would say yes. I would say as soon as the convention is over and were the official nominee of the party, youre going to see a huge flood of republican elected representatives out there on the trail with us. Okay. Let me ask you, sam, about Hillary Clinton. We watched her speech yesterday. In san diego. She, you know, wasted no time trying to eviscerate donald trump. His character, temperament, honor and every twist and turn, Foreign Policy, you name it. And then when you look at what mr. Trump both tweeted during the speech, after the speech, last night, you know, he took a moment to really try to take her on and not looking president ial. Hey, she doesnt know how to read a tell prompter. Do you see it all as not taking her to task line by line on policy and specifics . I think thats exactly what you would expect, what the media would expect and i think that what the people inside the beltway would expect. Hes a self proclaimed counter puncher. Sorry, brooke. Sorry. You asked me to answer the question. Im going to answer the question. That speech was given to help her shore up her opportunity in california to win. Shes in a tight race with Bernie Sanders out there. That speech was for an audience inside the beltway in washington, d. C. It was not for the general population. It was not for the general voters at all. Not aligning herself up to take on donald trump . I think she has got some serious work to do shoring up her own base. Shes been dragged so far left by Bernie Sanders. Shes going to have to figure out a way to navigate back to the center if she has any hope to be elected in this race. In terms of republicans and other endorsements, i mean, here you have susanna martinez, governor of new mexico, primary there also next tuesday. I know you all want her endorsement. You know, shes the president of the republican governors association, female, latina. You want her, right . But at the same time donald trump criticized her. Lets remind the viewers what he has said. Since 2000, number of people on food stamps in new mexico has tripled. We have to get your governor to get going. She has to do a better job. Okay . Hey maybe ill run for governor of new mexico. Ill get this place going. I think that the attacks that hes routinely engaged in, for example, going after susanna martinez, the republican governor of new mexico, the chairman of the republican governors association, i think that was a big mistake. So the headline, you know this, but just to tell everyone else, hes walking that back and wants the endorsement. Sure he does. Is this an example of him maybe not really thinking before speaking . And now hes pulling it back. I think that the a lot of times what were seeing here is that hes been critical of both republicans and democrats and i think a lot of it has to do with the management and how people are performing their duties and what hes really saying is to energize the country, get things focused. We need to do a better job across the board. But you dont energize the country criticizing the governor of new mexico. You may not but i think that what we have done out here is we have taken the opportunity to highlight the fact that there are things wrong in this country and they need to be fixed and we need everybody pulling on the rope at the same time. And if youre going to sit back and youre going to sit on your laurels or youre going to sit there and hope nobody notices, thats not going to happen because when we come to washington, d. C. In january, and donald trump assumes the presidency of the United States, the whole country and certainly the government will be on notice that things are going to change. Okay. Sam clovis, thank you so much for your time. You bet. Adviser for the Trump Campaign. Thank you, sir. Just a heads up to all of you, jake tapper speaking with donald trump and Hillary Clinton this afternoon beginning right after me, 4 00 eastern here on cnn. 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I completely disagree with the thinking behind that. And so, he clearly does and says things i dont agree on. And ive had to recently speak up when that occurred. And ill continue to do so. I hope i dont have to do that. Also with us, lisa booth, contributor at washington exami examiner president of high noon strategies. Thank you. Quick intro. This and this and this. Anyway so, kathy, to you, just on the paul ryan comments, just talking to sam clovis with the campaign we heres someone that endorses trump as timingwise Hillary Clinton speaking yesterday on national security, the big endorsement happens and then condemning trumps comments on this judge. What do you make on that . I think this is par for the course. Newt gingrich is very vocal about the support of trump and said, look, on certain things, he needs to dial that back or walk that back. With paul ryan i think its the newlywed period. Theyre dating, getting to know each other. Ryan had to make sure that he could say, look, i took time to try to get him on board with the true republican policies. They got married with the endorsement and not always going to agree. I think america thought they would date a few more times before a ring on it. I mean, though, seriously, reading the different opeds and especially the Washington Post this morning, not really into the idea of this happening at all. We dont know what conversations took place behind closed doors. Apparently talking a lot. We dont know the concessions made and the discussion happened with that. I mean, look. I think speaker ryans his main priority is this house agenda. He wants to look at poverty reform, national security, health care. Hes made that very clear. He even made it clear in the oped for his hometown paper, the endorsement of donald trump saying i support him because the alternative is really bad with Hillary Clinton. Im focused moving the republican agenda forward. What kind of position is he in . I go back to sam clovis and the Trump Campaign and talked about maybe thinking in his heart versus his head and not fully and wrap his words around what it would look like in postnovember. And so, i just wanted to talk about how maybe this is tough for paul ryan who still as he mentioned had issues with principles a couple of days ago. Absolutely. I think it is tough for him and a tough road ahead because trumps achilles heel is emotions. Right . He gets very, very heated and thinks about it, gets advice and hes been able to do that unlike any political candidate we have seen because americans dont think of him as a political candidate but maybe more successful version of themselves and therefore its okay. At some point that could become problematic. Paul ryan saying if you commit to core republican isnt that a problem . Just critics and especially Hillary Clinton yesterday saying he was incoherent. On your point, saying one thing, talking to people and walking it back, is that okay . Pot calling the kettle black a little bit. You are seeing the divide on the democratic side, as well, right . With Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton. Bernie sanders supports a lot of policies in complete odds and contradiction of Hillary Clinton believes and she is in a similar situation once the Democratic Convention is over and they have thats a whole other conversation. But its important because theyre similar la pa rallels o those ideas. Theres differences of speaker ryan and donald trump. And donald trump saying, particularly on the issue like trade, looking at exit polling saying majorities of republicans and democrats believe with what im saying about trade and then the budgets of paul ryan and wants to see an entitlement reform and something that donald trump said hes not willing to budge on and there are those differences. What about, tho