Tested was more than eight times more powerful than the nuclear bomb dropped on had rosh ma back in 1945. So one of the questions how will the u. S. Respond to this . According to the secretary of defense, annihilating north korea not at the top of the constituents list, but it is an option. Any threat to the United States or its territory, including guam or our allies will be met with a massive military response, a response both effective and overwhelming. As i said, we want many options we have just heard in nikki haley in an emergency meeting of the u. N. Security council. For more than 20 years, north korea has defay fitted our collective voice. Enough is enough. We have taken an incremental approach. Despite the best of intentions, it has not worked. His abusive use of missiles and his Nuclear Threats show that he is begging for war. Lets take you live to the state department. Michelle kosinski or diplomatic correspondent, what is the u. S. Prepared to do about this . That is the enormous question that has been looming over this. Very disturbing problem. Weve watched this escalate pretty rapidly, and you hear nikki haley and the u. N. Security council repeatedly saying essentially the same thing, but kind of struggling at times to ramp up her stales in keeping with the way north korea escalates. Today she was saying enough is enough. The time for measures is over. Theres no more road left. We also the spokesperson for the state department say today publicly the u. S. Has a lot of options, military, she did mention that one first, economic and diplomatic. Of course, the problem is there are issues, major difficulties with every single one of those measures. When you hair nikki haley today saying its time, almost as if to say its really time this time, everyone, for the u. N. To take the strongest possible measures, the u. S. Would like to see much tougher sanctions, things like blocking at least some of the oil that goes into north korea that powers the entire country, but when you see, you know, almost in the same breath right after haley spoke, russia and china aligned with each other, saying that their idea is for north korea to halt its Missile Program and the u. S. And south korea south korea to stop their joint military operations. You can see that something that might seem obvious to some pile on those sanctions fully enforce them, thats not so obvious to russia and china. So it could be very difficult to get china on board to the extent that the u. S. Wants to see. You mentioned south korea. Let me come to that. Michelle, thank you so much. Speaking of this u. S. Ally, President Trump has now taken a swipe at south korea. This is what he tweeted over the weekend south korea is finding, as i have had told them, their talk of appeasement will not work. They only understand one thing. On that piece, lets go to will ripley. On top of the tweet, with you know he talked to shinzo abe twice, but it took more than 30 hours to call south koreas leader. That call did happen a short time ago. Talk me through what was said and was there any diplomatic fallout . Reporter well its a very tense situation between President Trump and president ja jaein. Critics would say now is not the time for that. There was a statement the two leaders agreed to impose maximum pressure, but its not fooling thenoicance. I can tell you, brooke, i was just there. I landed here in tokyo on saturday night. They were well aware of the mixed messages, well aware of the apparent tension between the u. S. And south korea. Of course, shinzo abe and President Trump had been talking all week. They talked twice since the nuclear test, so that relationship seems to be good. I look at all these developments and have to think and wonder, where is the way out here . When i was in north korea, i did not encounter a frightened country, an intimidated country, i had Officials Saying they are ainge are you, furious with the United States, and you have seen that in their actions. They were furious about the military exercises, so they launched that intermediate missile, flew it right over japan, and then images of kim jongun starting in front of a hydrogen bomb, hours later they test a nuclear device, the biggest test ever and they may be days away launching another possibly towards guam. Will ripley fresh off here, i believe its his 14th trip to pyongyang. Lets broughton out this whole discussion. Laura rosinberger, shes also a former National Security council on director. John park is back with us today, the director of the Korea Working Group at Harvard Kennedy school, and cnn military analyst retired Lieutenant General mark hurt ling. Welcome to all of you. General, first just on this bomb, the north is claiming that they successfully this bomb could be, strapped to an icbm, im reading it is eight times the last of had rosh ma. How is this different from what they have done in the past . Its what you said, brooke, the largest device they ever tested, much larger than anything they have seen before still hasnt determined whether or not its a hydrogen or a typical figures bomb, but that really doesnt matter. Its a big bulk. They havent tested their rockets to the point where they can deliver these kinds of weapons. All of that is important, but its also irrelevant. They continue to go towards the desire of kim jongun to put a device on the end of a missile and continue to use it to threaten the world. Thats the critical point. Also in line with that, it allows us the west and others to still have time in terms of diplomatic actions to try to k back kju. S it hasnt happened the last couple of decades, but you need to take new approaches. He wands his military to continue to be at the forefront. He wants recognition on the world stage. He wants an improved economy. He cant get all those things. Well talk options over the second. You made headlines saying that, but john to you. We talked about the bellicose rhetoric, the fire and fury, that the u. S. Is locked and loaded, but now were seeing, to borrow the generals phrase, kjus most powerful nuclear detonation, just over a japan, has kim jongun effectively called the president s bluff . What we are seeing is an ongoing program, irrespective of what the president says, youre looking at a north korean pace that is somewhat predictable, if anything its accelerated. Before we were looking at four to six weeks between tests. Things are happening much faster. Did you predict this massive bomb . This massive of a bomb is we were anticipating. This is something the north korean s had claimed they would be working towards. It was a matter of time. Its increasing previous policy tools that we havent seen any impact on. Here is how, laura, to you, how President Trump responded to a question on north korea just yesterday. Reporter mr. President , will you attack north korea . Well see. Here he was walking out of church. The two words well see. How does that change potential calculation for the u. S. . I think its really important that we continue to note, of course, that there are no very good options when it comes to north korea, as general hurt ling has said, the military options are all very bad. Its very important that any administration not take options off the table, so the idea that all options remain on the table is what we want in terms of deterrence, but we also need to be sure were using precise language, which sends clear signals to our adversaries. Give me an example of precise language. How about that . Yeah. What we saw secretary mattis uses after the meeting at the white house yesterday, his words were very carefully chosen. They were chosen to send signal to our allied capitals and to pyongyang, to beijing, to say these are the things that the United States is considering, to give very clear sense of what our alliance may be. In deterrence and reassurance, our credibility is incredibly important. When we use very vague terms that dont have any attachment to meaning, that President Trump may not know what they mean. Something miscalculates what another soo partys intentions are. Thats how something could contemplate quickly. General, you know him, he had promised massive military response, if it threatens the United States or its allies, but he added we are not looking for the total annihilation of a country namely north korea, but as ive said, we have many options to do so. What does that mean . He does have many options. There are different ways of approaching this. I dont want to give away any ins inside. Why do you say theyre all ugly . Because of the unanticipated reactions to all of the options. Got it. This is not a country where you could have a precision strike against one target as a symbol of, hey, knock it off, dont do that anymore like weve done in other nations, a single precision strike might create a massive retaliation, and just like with what was just talked about, precise language is critically important. You can go back in history and find dozens of instances where diplomats or military wrong terms created war, as recently as desert storm. A misunderstanding of an ambassador while talking to Saddam Hussein created the be tis. Be impetus. My question is whats left to sang . Maybe oil ports or something to affect their farming industry, but theyre pretty good about getting around sanctions. They seem to be building these missiles faster than the u. S. Can impose sanctions that will actually matter. What are the best options . Right now were seeing a doubling down, a tripling down, if you will. One of the things you have to realize is in the border region, there is a marketplace. In that marketplace, when you restrict quantity, price goes up. Some of that smuggling is happening in the water between china and north korea as well. We have to anticipate these type of activities as well. But the pace of development of north koreas program is far outpacing these policy tools. That is an inconvenient fact. Inconvenient indeed. John park, laura rosinberger and mark hurt ling, thank you all very much. A lot of people are calling it a cruel and ugly decision, others say it will restore rule of law. President trump expected to fulfill a Campaign Promise ending the obamaera program that protects socalled dreamers from being deported. What cnn has learned about the president s announcement slated for tomorrow. Also just in a new advisory on hurricane irma. 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We will immediately terminate president obamas two illegal executive amnesties in which he defied federal law and the constitution to give amnesty to approximately a million illegal immigrants. When somebodys terrific, we want them back here. They have to leave, too . Look, it sounds cold and hard. We have a country, our country is going to hell. We have to have a system where people are legally in our country. Were always talking about dreamers for other people. I want the children that are growing up in the United States to be dreamers also. Theyre not dreaming right now. Reporter can dreamers be we love the dreamers. We love everybody. The president is also expected to delay ending daca by six months to congress can turn some version of daca into law. Tal, nice to see you. Hi. I know some members of the president s party think he should not put an end to daca. Thats absolutely right. Flack back fiveiers when president obama put this into place through executive action. Of course, republicans criticized it doing it through executive action, but president obama said he had to do it the truth is is the program is pretty popular, obviously members on the left are fans and support it, but in fact a number of moderate republicans also support it. There are several who have long been pushing congress to act. A few of them are speaking out against the president in this regard today. In fact, illeana rosslettenen, she tweeted potu us slams the door. Some heart. Shes long supported a fix, and then one member who hasnt long supported the fix, but who is speaking out is senator james langeford of oklahoma. He said, the its right for there to be consequences for those who intentionally entered this country illegally. However, we as americans do not hold children legally accountable for the actions of their program. So theres definitely a push for congress to do something to make this program permanent, because theres concern about what the courts might do if its actually challenged on the grounds of executive action. Now the hot potato goes to congress, as weve seen this year, congress doesnt always come through. There are nearly 800,000 people in the u. S. Who have benefited who now stand to have their life upended if the president goes through this and congress cannot come up with a solution. Were talking to some of those 800,000 people next hour. Thank you so much. Tal. Two great guys with differing opinions. Ben ferguson, talk radio host of the conservative the ben ferguson show. And dean obedalla. Welcome to both of you. Your whole thesis, dean is surge at the president is treating this and they dreamers as a dysfunctional reality show. How so . In that donald trump on friday first said ill give you a decision by this weekend. About an hour later, a decision on monday, and two hours later, a decision on tuesday. It reminds me of when he announced kneel gorsuchs nomination. He a primetime buildup like the Series Finale of the apprentice. The way hes doing it doesnt matter as what he does. I had a dreamer on my show. She came to america at 8. Her mother brought her here from mexico. She grew up here her entire life. He graduated with a 4. 0 average. Before daca, her counselor said dont edream president going to college. Now shes at university of texas, doug great, a leader of student groups and wants to run for congress. This is what they kids are about, these young people. They represent the best of america. I say honestly theyre all vetted, no criminal records. Theyre contributing to america, somewhere are in our military somer teachers. Theyre really good people. Ben, how do you see it . I actually thing what youre seeing from the white house is theyre trying to figure out exactly what congress is going to do. Congress is really who should be blamed here for years they have had the ability to actually make something permanent, and they purposely chose not to. Republicans have been in ch