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CNNW CNN Newsroom With Brooke Baldwin March 1, 2018

The meetings the president s soninlaw took in the white house, the president completely unending his partys agenda on guns. And thats right, one of his cabinets spending spree on furniture. And john kelly told his former staff at the department of home land security this today. I miss every one of you every day. Truly, six months, last thing i wanted to do was walk away from one of the great honors of my life, being secretary of homeland security, but i did something wrong and god punished me i guess. A little humor, maybe a little reality there. Lets begin at the white house now with Kaitlin Collins who is standing by for us. Hope hicks announcing her resignation less than in hours ago, today all eyes are on Jared Kushner. Tell us about what is happening behind the scenes at the white house. Reporter thats right, it is a lot going on behind the scenes here. Especially with hope hicks one of the president s top aides and closest confidants announcing she is resigning after spending the last three years next to President Trump every single step of the way from the campaign until his time here inside the white house. So certainly a significant change coming for the west wing and for the president himself because though there have been a rash of departures, hope hicks is so much more than that because she is so close to the president that she would rarely even leave the west wing if the president was in the oval office because she knew that at any minute he could beck ckocould b with hey, hope. Weve seen this with the president s long term body guard who left earlier this year and now hope is leaving. Jared kushner, ivanka trumps long term future is up for the debate. And it looks like the only few aides left around the president who have been around him for some time are dwindling by the day here. So certainly a lot on the president s plate here. And not a great day on wall street. Weve seen the stock market down about 500 plus points. This is because of an announcement that the president made. Tell us what happened. Reporter yeah, very last minute announcement to put it lightly. The president announced that he will impose these tariffs he says starting next week on aluminum and steel, 25 on steel, 10 on aluminum, something that certainly took a lot of people by surprise. As of last night leading up to that announcement, there was a lot of confusion over whether or not the president was actually going to announce it. Last night they thought he was. This morning it seemed like they were just going to have a listening session. And then during the hastily arranged meeting where they brought reporters in, the president made that announce s announcemeannouncement against the advise of top advise advisers. But the president says he will start introducing the tariffs starting next week. But gijust another scene in chaotic west wing behind me. And tell us about the questions today about ethical lines being blurred inside the Trump White House involving Jared Kushner. The New York Times of course is reporting that kushners family received his Family Business got about half a billion dollars in loans from two companies right after he met with the heads of those companies at the white house. What was supposed to be in an official capacity and then youre seeing some personal gain afterwards. Kushner reportedly discussed giving the cofounder a job within the administration. Is there anything else we know about this . Reporter thats right, essentially the story is that Jared Kushners family Real Estate Company is benefiting after he meets with the heads of these other companies here at the white house in his official capacity as a Senior Adviser and special assistant to the president and one of those that you just mentioned that was up for a job is joshua harris, he is founder of the Apollo Global management group. And he was a contender for a white house job early last year, met several times with Jared Kushner and when that job didnt pan out later on in the year, his company Apollo Global management led to the Kushner Family Real Estate Company 184 million. So quite a sizable loan. Much larger than what the company usually lends to people. But just another story in a string of stories that raise the questions of Jared Kushners ability to continue to work in this white house. All right. Thank you. I want to bring in jesse druck empt drucker, he broke this story. What more do we know and also how problem plat tiatic is this . There are serious questions obviously about what implications there might be for potential violations of the ethics regulations. Basically the regulations have language about federal employees if they have certain relati relationshi relationships, business relationships, they are precluded from doing certain transactions and taking part in certain government decisions on particular matters involving people interacting with the government. And one of the people we spoke to was former office of the head of government ethics basically took the position that by virtue of Jared Kushners company in gosh yaling a loan with negotiaa loan with apapollo, that put kushner in what is called a covered relationship with josh harris. And his position was that we really dont know what was said in these meetings that he had with harris at the white house and if Jared Kushner was miss clie his client, he would have advised him dont take the meeting because you will be in danger depending on the types of things that were discussed of potentially violating the regulations. Were the different parties here aware that they were crossing potentially lines . We really dont know. We asked the white house or we asked mr. Kushners lawyer whether he sought any ethics advice to having meetings with both josh harris and also mike c on orbat at citigroup because they the gave Kushner Companies a loan last year after meeting with Jared Kushner in the white house and they declined to respond to the question. Jesse drucker, thank you sir. I want to discuss this more with former director of the office of government ethics, Walter Schaub with us now. He resigned from his post last year after clashing with the Trump White House. So that is the question. Were they aware that there was some sort of ethical problem here . I guess the question especially with them not responding to the question as jesse just told us, should there have been an awareness on the part of all of the parties, not just Jared Kushner, but those who were lending money to his familys business . To answer that, lets step back and look at it from the 10,000 foot level. You have an assistant to the president sitting across the table from bankers that his cash strapped family is pleading with for a gigantic loan. There is no situation in which that makes any common sense or is ethical in any sense of the word. Is it strictly a violation . I think we dont quite know all of the facts as jesse pointed out. We certainly dont know what they discussed in the meeting. There has also been a lot of mystery and confuse surrounding Jared Kushner because he has had to revise his Financial Disclosure report and his securities clearance for him so many times. One of the revisions that he did to his Financial Disclosure report was to reveal that he forgot to quit some of the outside positions that he held with the kushner families various companies until sometime in may 2017. Which means while he is sitting across the table from these individuals, he is still an officer of some of these companies. Now, whether the companies were the ones that were specifically the parties to these loans, at least on the face of their names, it appears they may not have been. But i have to admit, i dont fully understand all of the interlocking relationships between the various Kushner Companies. And so i cant say with any certainty that he wasnt involved in any of the companies that were getting the loans. So even just discussing this Business Inside of the white house, is that something that raises a red flag for you, supposed to be with Apollo Global management and also this advisory position that he was getting from one of the founders of apollo. But that said, is it problematic ethically that this was a meeting happening inside the white house or would it have mattered if it was outside the white house . It would have been bad either way if he was meeting in his official capacity. But the fact that it is in the white house just adds all of that much more weight to his authority as an assistant to the president who can influence their lives. There are two different sets of rules. One is criminal, one is administrative. It is probably not criminal unless they were working on a matter that could actually affect his companies and which he still had a financial interest. But there are noncriminal ethics rules that matter. The standard of conduct that say you should recuse whenever participating in a matter like this can create an appearance that you have lost your impartiality. And people can quible over the technical reading of covered relationship and whether it apply, but there is a catchall that certainly did apply here and in any other white house, they would certainly have had him recuse. It is rule that is easy to enforce. A person can always say i was unaware, i didnt know. But come on here, this is as common sense ethics as it gets. You dont do this. Also there are so many facetses to this, one being that there was potentially a job on the table. If there is a job on the table, there is a question of, oh, is this pay to play perhaps. What kind of red flags does it raise . At minimum, an optics problem. We have no evidence that he actually said give me this loan and youll get the business. I seriously doubt he did that. But the optics are terrible. And if you care about government ethics and you understand that as a white house official you are setting an example for the other 2. 7 million federal employees who work for the white house through the various agencies and the executive branch, you dont go and sit across from a meeting with a guy that you are potentially offering a position while your familys companies in which you still have an investment and maybe be or maybe not still have a position are trying to get massive hundred Million Dollar loans from. It is really interesting to matter your perspective. Thank you so much. And coming up, are former trump loyalists leaving the president more and more isolated . The latest a spat with Jeff Sessions. Sessions has now been seen dining out with the man overseeing the russia investigation, rod rosenstein. Well discuss that next. And moments from now, the White House Press briefing. You can see were ready for it. 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And then look at that, just around 12 30 as the president announced in a very casual way, not a formal announcement, he is in the white house, he is with the steel makers, and he just casually let slip that next week they will be introducing tariffs on aluminum and steel imports and the market literally goes sharply lower. And that has been the story of the whole afternoon. And the reason is people are now seriously worried about the tit for tat. What is going to be the response of countries like india or china or those that are directly affected by those steel tariffs. You see the problem we have got is that he announced tariffs with no details. He litterally pulled the pin ou of the grenade, but hasnt told us where it is going or how it will explode or who would be affected. Or what the extent of it will be. And as a result the market is saying this is a protectionist move and they are seriously concerned. Yeah, as they worry maybe this leads to a trade war. Well see if that tit for tat you are describing maphappens. Richard quest, thank you. President trump is now fuming after his attorney general Jeff Sessions pushed back on the president s latest insult calling sessions handling into an investigation into alleged surveillance abuses disgraceful. Cnn captured this exclusive video of sessions and the Deputy Attorney general rod rosenstein, that would be the man overseeing the special counsel Robert Muellers team. So this video you can see they are leaving the Justice Department, they end up walking down the street. At one point sessions actually pumps his fist in the air and later axios snapped pictures of them dining at a fancy washington restaurant. This right near the Trump International hotel not too far from the doj. It is significant to see them together because rosenstein is overseeing the special counsel investigation into Russian Election meddling now that sessions months and months ago recused himself from doing so. And then the Washington Post reports that President Trumps public shaming of sessions over that recusal is now part of special counsel muellers investigation. Joining me now, knee a malik came henderson and as well as joseph marina, he led National Security prosecutions. And olivia newtsy from new york magazine. I mean, this is pretty it is so is interesting to see this happening. What is your reaction . Under a normal administration, right, this would be nothing. It would be the attorney general, Deputy Attorney general out having a meal. But under these circumstances, it feels like it is a little low key shade, right . Sessions basically rebuking the president who has been so tough on him over the last many months because of his recusal from the russia investigation. So it seems to be a continuation of sessions pushing back on that tweet that trump released earlier this week and essentially saying, you know, the buck stops here and he is not going anywhere, right . And so thattic is t i think is context. Who would have thought that what seem to be undercover video of sessions dining with staffers. So, yeah, that is the town were in. Joe, what do you think . It is fascinating seeing this spat sort of uncovered in real time. From a ill defer to you on the political ramifications, but from a legal perspective, attorney general sessions is absolutely correct in how he is handling in robe. I think most in the Legal Industry would agree that aside from your feel about senator sessions politics, as attorney general, he has taken his position seriously, he respects the rule of law, and the way he is referring the idea of if there are inquiries about how doj attorneys and fbi agents handled the fisa process, it should be looked at by the Inspector General. That is exactly the way it is supposed to play out. And in the case of in, Michael Horowitz is a professional. I worked with him for years. He is a straight shooter, nonpartisan. And if anyon

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