Administrations zero tolerance policy for anyone caught illegally crossing the border. You have stheens pictures, right . Some of them just sleeping on the floor, huddled under aluminum emergency blankets. They, along with their parents, are being cordoned off by walls and chain link fencing. The administration insists these are not cages but you can see barbed wire, padlocks. You decide. The trump administrations crackdown has come under even more intense criticism and scrutiny in just the last couple of days, but the president has falsely tried to point the blame at democrats for the problem. If the democrats would sit down instead of obstructing, we could have something done very quickly. We could have an immigration bill. We could have child separation. Were stuck with these horrible laws. Theyre horrible laws. Whats happening is so sad. Its so sad. And it can be taken care of quickly, beautifully and well have safety. So to be clear, this new policy requires the arrest of adults including those accompanied by their children. This is from the press release on the dhs website right now, but dont take my word for it. I want you to listen for yourselves. Listen to these words from top officials in the administration. In order to deter more movement along this terribly dangerous network, i am considering exactly that. They will be well cared for as we deal with their parents. Our policies that can result in shortterm separation of families is not unusual or unjustified. Homeland security finds its not working. First, lets discuss this practice of separating people at the border. He is john bernet, the npr southwest correspondent in texas. He had just toured the largest youth center in brownsville where more than 1400 migrant poise are being held and has reported extensively on the Immigration Crisis unfolding at the border. Thank you so much for being with me today. If i may, before we get into the details, just about you and your perspective. Its my understanding youve been covering this border off and on for more than 30 years. Thats true. Have you ever seen anything like this . Well, we did have what obama called a humanitarian crisis in 2014. Thats when you had again, you had many, many, many what they called uacs, unaccompanied alien children, who were coming across the border. They were also fleeing Gang Violence in central america, but what you have now thats extraordina extraordinary, brooke, are the family units coming up from south america and they have the hair raising stories. Were seeing the separation of children from families that have been widely reported on, incredibly criticized here. Weve never seen that before. This is a willful decision by this administration. There are alternatives to detention. There are alternatives to separating these families. Ive seen them for years. For instance, operation streamline started in 2003. They called that 100 prosecution of parents coming across illegally but they kept the parents and children together. And now this National Outrage obviously over the separation and these young people. You know, weve seen the photo of that crying little girl talking to john moore who snapped that photo coming up in a little bit. These thermal blankets here. The chain link fences that look like cages. Yeah. What i want to hear from you, john, since you were in the brownsville facility, what are we not seeing . Well, first of all, those chain link those chain link fences were there in 2014 under the Obama Administration. When the kids came across, all the families were put in there as well. Bow l bologna sandwiches, space blankets, its unpleasant. What we saw is a small tour of casa padre, the largest Child Migrant shelter in the country. 1500 kids in a converted walmart in brownsville there in the tip of south texas. I mean, to be honest, most of these boys ages 10 to 17 appear to be well taken care of. Theyre fed. Theyre in classes. Theres medical care. Lots of recreation. I dont think thats the real story. Its the fact that its full, that theres so many children being separated from families and coming across alone that the department of health and Human Services is having to open more and more of these shelters in addition to this tent city in tournio outside of el paso in the chihuahuan desert. This is the newest place weve heard about. I was on a plane saturday just to broaden this out as well listening to your story on npr of the family, nine people, right yes. Came up from guatemala. Crossing the bridge seeking asylum at the border. The father told you, if we go back home, they will kill us, they being the drug lords whom nearly killed the 23yearold son. Right. Tell me more about that family, john, and why they keep getting turned away. Well, brooke, one of the extraordinary things thats happening that ive never seen before, theyre stationing customs a customs and Border Protection officials in the middle of the international bridges all up and down the rio grande and theyre stopping families from coming and asking asylum. They say there is no room in the immigration stations on the texas side of the bridge when, in fact, i talked to mexican officials. They say weve seen 10 to 15 people a day coming across. Having said that, this one family from guatemala, as you referenced, their son, their 23yearold son there, he had a bullet had blown out his left eye. He had a horrific scar snaking up his left arm because he was a guide to a water fall that was on narco land in northern guatemala and the narco had assassins to kill the boys and the other boys who were guides. So they fled with their lives and they actually have documentation from a public minister there saying this happened to the family. Buy hope that you authorities in these countries would give them asylum. Whats happened is jeff sessions, the attorney general, has changed the rules of asylum so Domestic Abuse and Gang Violence apparently will be no more causes for asylum. This family may find that their pleas for asylum fall on deaf ears. Keep telling the stories, thanks so much from npr. Thanks for having me. Staying on this, heres a quote for this, we do not apologize. Those are the words of Donald TrumpsHomeland Security secretary Kiersten Nielsen who defended the policy. We do not have the luxury of pretending that all individuals coming to this country as a family unit are in fact a family. We have to do our job. We will not apologize for doing our job. We have sworn to do this job. This administration has a simple message. If you cross the border illegally, we will prosecute you. Though its worth mentioning that the secretary just tweeted, quote, we dont have a policy of separating families at the border, period. So ive got more voices on this. With me now, cnn politics reporter. Tara setmayer and board member for stand up republic and joshua green, cnn political analyst and National Correspondent from bloomberg businessweek. Before we get into whats happening and how can it end, i want to just turn to you on your reporting because where the administration had hoped this would deter, right, a number of these illegal crossings at the border, it hasnt. Yeah, brooke, thats absolutely right. Ive obtained internal documents from dhs that sort of spell out over a period of Time Starting in april when the first steps of this zero tolerance prosecution policy was in place, they predicted that the full impact of the deterrent effect would be realized in about two to three weeks. Okay. As the weeks go on, you see that the two places you would expect to see that impact, the number of people crossing illegally and the number of people showing up at a port of entry to legally claim asylum as we were just sort of hearing about, those two numbers both have the opposite effect every single week through the end of may that we saw in the policy. And the documents acknowledge cbp has not yet seen the deterrent effect materialize. So, you know, in fact at the end of the month the number of people crossing illegally went up 549e . The number of people showing up went down 9 and the reason that this is so important is that when you talk about traumatizing children, when you talk about a policy that raises serious humanitarian questions for a lot of people outside the administration, the justification for it is that its supposedly necessary to secure the border. So when you dont see the effects that are predicted internally materialize, it raises serious questions about why the country would actually be pursuing it. A lot of people raising the question why, including now Hillary Clinton has weighed in. Im told we have sound from her. Lets watch. Lets be very clear. This is not happening because of the, quote, democrats law, as the white house has claimed. Separating families is not mandated by law at all. That is an outright lie. Those who selectively use the bible to justify this cruel at this are ignoring a central tenant of christianity. I went to a lot of years of sunday school. I even taught it from time to time. Ive studied the bible, both the old and the new testament and what is being done using the name of religion is contrary to everything i was ever taught. Jesus said, suffer the little children unto me. He did not say let the children suffer. Perhaps even a jab back at the attorney general jeff sessions, right, for citing the bible a couple of days over the justification of these practices. You, we were talking earlier, know a lot about this and immigration and have been on the phone with even Border Patrol agents who, you know, may have be having a tough internal struggle with having to enforce what theyre doing. The thing is, the president and the u. S. Administration, they may be blaming the democrats, but they could stop this today. Yes. If they wanted to. Thats right. So why dont they . Well, and ive said this before. Trump does not want to necessarily solve the issue of immigration. It was something he used to help him get elected. The issue of immigration is very complicated, multifaceted from a number of reasons, you know, between border security, interior enforcement, ike no, maam mick magne economic mag. Which is why republicans, democrats also have not been successful in doing something comprehensive over many years. Whats happening now is something that the president of the United States could fix. Could fix . With the stroke of a pen or a phone call. All it is it is a policy. Similar to what happens in the Obama Administration when they made the decision even under be the Bush Administration when they made the decision to do catch and release or to have prosecutorial discretion where they told basically prosecutors, you dont have to prosecute the law, because it is the law. 275, the immigration naturalization act, that section says its a misdemeanor punishable up to six months in jail and a fine. If you choose to enforce it that way, what happens is it was like a look the other way. Thats right. And obama did that with daca. Trump could say, lets not do this. Lets try to figure out another way. We know that he not only doubles down and triples down on things that are so tough. Now its what are we doing . Until his supporters and people he listens to say, mr. President , this isnt tenable, we shouldnt being doing it this way. Hes not going to do it. I understand, josh, immigration, when he talked about the wall, just buzz words for his base maybe bolster him. Theres a difference to playing to your base and whats happening to these children. Well, thats right. And if you look at the positions the administration has right now, theres no consistent position. As far as i can see, there are three mutually exclusive positions that the administration is simultaneously trying to hold. You have Chris Nielsen saying there is no such policy. Steven miller, senior white house adviser saying, yes, there is, its zero tolerance and its good. Then you have donald trump on twitter saying this is a terrible policy and its democrats fault, which isnt at all true. What seems to be happening as best i can discern from trumps behach i dont remember is that hes taken these little children as hostage to use as a bargaining chip rather than concede Something Like say, okay, we dont need my border wall, well work out a different deal. Hes created this pain and this problem in hopes that he can go to democrats and say, if you want to alleviate the suffering of these little kids in cages, then you need to fund my border wall. Which is back firing. Democrats have come to the table and im he not one to usually defend the democrats in things like this. Youre not. Im not. Im a republican. Ive seen this in the past but the democrats were willing to give more than once trump the money he needed for the border wall, which is what shows me that hes disingenuous about solving. This. Even the bills to be considered this week, trump blew that up on friday when republicans were trying really hard to come up with a compromise, that included border security. Trump blew that up and they had to patch it back together again. He has been his own worst enemy on this. Yeah. Yeah. Let me come back to the entire point. Its the policy, coming up next well talk live to the gentleman who snapped this photograph. This little girl crying in the dead of night on the border. Hear the story of this little girl. Plus, moments from now the fbi will grill the fbi chief. Youre watching cnn. Im Brooke Baldwin live here in washington, d. C. Well be right back. Your brain changes as you get older. But prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered. In jellyfish. In clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve shortterm memory. Prevagen. The name to remember. Alicewhich is breast canceratic that has spread to other parts of her body. Shes also taking prescription ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor, which is for postmenopausal women with hormone receptorpositive her2 Metastatic Breast Cancer as the first hormonal based therapy. 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Were waiting for the major reck reckoning. Well be hearing from the i. G. With the report out slamming the way the fbi handled the clinton investigation. The powerful image up folding at the u. S. mexican border. This 2yearold honduran girl screaming as her mother is searched and detained. Photographer john moore captured this. Hes writing a book ten years of his work. His images. John is with me now. John, welcome. Thank you, brooke. So, who is that little girl . That little girl came across the rio grande with her mother and a group of people in rafts late one night. It was a moonless night. They came up the embankment of the river and gathered along the dirt road where the Border Patrol collected them together and took everyones names. Now typically when Asylum Seekers come across they actually seek out Border Patrol officers so that they can turn themselves in and seek asylum, and in the case of this group, it was mostly women and children. Mostly women and children. And when you saw her her her mom or i mean, tell me more about was she being taken away at the moment that she starts to scream . Give me more. It was very emotional, this situation. I had was able t