Transcripts For CNNW CNN Newsroom With Brooke Baldwin 201808

Transcripts For CNNW CNN Newsroom With Brooke Baldwin 20180807 18:00:00

Also wired money to some of these vendors that we heard about last week, including the clothing people that ostrich jacket. He explained how those money flows went there. So hes connecting the dots for prosecutors. He also explained how he helped falsify documents at manaforts request at the banks so manafort could get mortgages and he also explained how they falsified his tax returns, explaining how they moved things that should have been income to loans and back to back dated documents. At One Point Manafort was under financial duress. Prosecutors showed an email of manafort sending to gates which manafort says w. T. F. , we need to discuss options. This is a disaster. Hes Instructing Gates to help him come up with some solution with the accountants about how to fix his tax returns so he doesnt get hit with quite a large of bill as he was expecting. So gates testimony is continuing and we expected the crossexamination to begin in a The latest news from around the world with host Brooke Baldwin. Try to argue why would gates be lying about all this when most of the time when he wasnt stealing manaforts money, manafort was the one benefitting from it. I think it could have been a risky move to put him on given the case went in so well. If youre a juror sitting in this courtroom, there arent any cameras, we go by bits and pieces we get, we know down to the color in the courtroom. I was reading yesterday describing the death Stair Manafort was giving gates up on the stand. Today now theyre starting to look somewhat in the same direction at one another. How much of that matters to jurors . It matters a lot because jurors are watching every single thing thats going on, every nuance, every glance. Theyre impacted by this. You know what i found interesting, when he was able to when manafort says outloud to his lawyer, no, you got the wrong exhibit number, essentially, its 257 i think what it was. What is the jury going to take away from that, i guarantee theres one juror that says he doesnt know about his finances, hes not a detail guy yet he knew enough about this case based on thousands of pages of documents that his lawyer was using the wrong number . Its Little Things that show hes smart, sophisticated hes in charge. We know car dpoline he met w gates 20 times ahead of testifying. Its a lot of times, but its not unheard of. Its the governments job to get gates ready for this testimony. Now, you can bet, brooke, that the defense is going to harp on the number of times that gates met with the prosecutor saying they essentially coached you along and you said what they wanted you to say and things of that nature, but the ultimate trump card, if you will, on the prosecutors side is that this Cooperation Agreement that gates signed, its not over yet, right . Its a letter that the prosecutors are going to send to the Sentencing Judge when he gets sentenced detailing the extent of the cooperation that he provided. If he lies even one little bit on the stand, brooke, they can rip it up, rip it right up. Thats often something that prosecutors will talk about. What about how also also big picture here, these were two key figures, manafort and gates in trumps orbit . They got a shoutout from trump in july of 2016. We know the crimes that at least gates is admitted to, berit, how brazen, how surreal is it that these two figures were part of all things trump . I dont think that can be underestimated. Another important thing to remember about gates is that his Cooperation Agreement is not simply for him to testify against manafort. So this is for him to work with the prosecution, to testify against anyone they need him to testify against. So i think it would be foolish to say, well, after hes done with manafort, hes done. They got what they needed out of gates. We dont know the extent theyll use gates in the future of this investigation. I mean, he may have information that hes given the prosecution about other people right within that inner circle. I mean, both he and manafort had these incredible positions of trust. They were in the inner circle. And i think we only have to wait and see how else theyre going to use gates testimony. Could as gates has gotten a deal, depending on how this goes, this is all like follow the money, right . So, could there be an 11th hour acceptance or offer from manafort to cut a deal or is he just sitting there waiting maybe for a pardon . Its not unheard of to cut a deal in the 11th hour. Its been done before. Its not. Its been done even when the jurors are out in deliberation. I dont see that happening here. Clearly manafort is digging his heels in. He feels like hes above the law. Thats one of the themes that has run throughout this case. He was put on pretrial detention for Witness Tampering in his other case prior to this trial. So he has displayed an enormous amount of hubris throughout this. I dont see him taking a deal. Thank you so much as we continue to wait and watch for the crossexamination to potentially happen this afternoon. We have other breaking news, Michael Cohen, President Trumps former lawyer and fixer reportedly under investigation for tax fraud with federal prosecutors in new york specifically focussing on and does it involve cohens former boss, President Trump . Also, developments on special counsels Robert Muellers investigation. Reports that president s legal team are reluctant to let trump answer any questions in person on obstruction. What happens if they refuse . And my colleague and friend, don lemon, responding to President Trumps personal attack on himself and lebron james. In case you missed it, were going to play it for you. Youre watching cnn, im brooke baldwin. I just switched to geico and got more. More . Got a company i can trust. Thats a heck of a lot more. Over 75 years of great savings and service. You cant argue with more. Why would ya . Geico. Expect great savings and a whole lot more. You dont see psoriasis. You see clear skin. You see me. But if you saw me before cosentyx. I was covered. It was awful. But i didnt give up. I kept fighting. I got clear skin with cosentyx. 3 years and counting. Clear skin can last. See if cosentyx could make a difference for you. 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So we know that there are wide range of things that theyve been looking into. Obviously we know that investigators have taken a ton of information from his home and his office, his hotel room. I think the Big Question Is Whether since we are talking about things like loans, financing, potential bank fraud, whether they end up touching on anything that Michael Cohen might have done that is related to his work for President Trump. You know, if you think about the fact that he was the person who was involved in setting up this payment to stormy daniels, we know that that 130,000 ended upcoming from Michael Cohen, as investigators look at his Business Dealings do they decide, this touches on the work that he did for President Trump and then do they make the calculation that that information might be helpful for them to get directly from Michael Cohen. Those are obviously questions we dont know the answer to yet. But i think, you know, if anything, this is just yet another reminder and sort of confirmation of what Michael Cohen already knows which is that he is potentially in a lot of legal trouble. He doesnt need another headline to tell him that. Which well get into other potential pressures to cooperate. But first, isnt this just follow the money trail for prosecutors . Absolutely. We know that Michael Cohens former Business Associate known as the taxi king of new york recently took a very good what we refer to as sweetheart deal, a no jail time deal. You have to wonder what he gave investigators for that deal. I dont think this was a surprise to anyone, brooke. Smaller fish to the big fish. Yeah. Why could this be part of the reason why cohen and his team maybe also declared public war on trump . Are they looking for a deal, do you think, bob . I think thats a great question. Two great developments happened. First off, classic scenario, almost like the manafort trial, lot of money, medallion company goes down the tubes. What is happening . Tax evasion and bank fraud. Its virtually the same thing. Fraud people 101 on how to get in trouble. But here is the thing, brooke, on sunday when President Trump tweeted out that tweet about don jr. Now, understand prosecutors only want to use you as a cooperator if you have valuable information that you dont know about. Cohen has been gyrating in every way possible, here i am, somebody look at me, please. The president knew about the Trump Tower Meeting prior to the meeting itself. In an odd way, the president is already fit part of what the prosecution needs. It was for political purposes. Therefore they were trying to get dirt on Hillary Clinton. That could be a violation because youre not allowed to accept money from a foreign entity or foreign person. And now the second piece is what did he know and when did he know it . Cohen now because of that tweet is more important to prosecutors than he was on saturday. So, cohen, former trump lawyer, current lawyer being rudy giuliani, we also have one more piece of news from dana bash, today, tomorrow were expecting the volley back from team trump to robert mueller, no, we dont want our guy, President Trump, answering questions in person that have anything to do with obstruction, right . Theyre okay on collusion, not okay on obstruction. If youre robert mueller, caroline, do you just accept that . Do you say, okay, okay and still get the man in for an interview and then maybe juke left and ask a question any way . I mean, how does that work . Absolutely not. If youre robert mueller, youre thinking, okay, ive got the law on my side. We have of course the nixon precedent, but its not exactly on point in terms of if this went to a subpoena and went up to the supreme court, i think likely mueller feels he has the law on his side. Thats going to take time, brooke. They want to get him in there on a voluntary basis to be sure, but not, you know, giuliani doesnt get to be in the drivers seat in this instance. Mueller is a special prosecutor. He gets to set the guidelines. This back and forth is ridiculous. Its all dramatics. I think quite frankly i think this is all just a front. I dont think President Trump has any one bit of an intention of going in there and sitting down and talking. Total ruse. Ill go in. Good cop bad cop. Quickly, bob. First of all, its essentially an admission were not worried about collusion but were worried about obstruction. Mueller is only playing a little game here. He calls the shots. I was a head prosecutor. This is how it works. You come in or dont come in. Answer all our questions or dont answer our questions. Mueller is protecting the record saying i tried. You dont want what happened saturday happening in front of federal prosecutors. Appreciate that enthusiasm. 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Todays results will be yet another chance to see which way voters are leaning as we approach novembers critical midterm election. Were watching primaries under way in kansas, michigan, missouri and Washington State but all eyes on the Special Election in ohio today where a reliably republican seat could switch to the democrats. Looming over all this, of course, President Trump and his very big shadow, so lets go to our chief Political Correspondent dana bash. Dana, you have a big night ahead of you. Talk me through the big themes for today. Lets start with what you just laid out there the president. He looms large on and over pretty much everything in politics and elsewhere. And whats going to be interesting to look for is how he plays in different kinds of races. So first and foremost, we have this Special Election in ohio. Its been a republican seat for almost four decades where democrats havent even come close and polls show that the democratic candidate there is coming close. The president went out over the weekend and campaigned for the republican troy balderson. Republicans i talked to say that that was really, really critical to getting the base gined up. This is a Special Election. But at the same time, his presence there, you see theres some video of the rally, could just as well embolden the socalled resistance or even independents who are just done with the president , done with republican control in congress and might say, you know what, im going to go out and vote for the democrat because it reminded me to do that when i saw the president. Well see. The other thing visavis trump is how he plays within republican primaries, brooke. In kansas, there is a republican primary for the governors race. Theres an incumbent republican, and the president is supporting the republican challenger, guy by the name of chris kobach who had been a longtime supporter of the friend, supports the notion that the president claims falsely by all accounts that there were millions of people who voted illegally in 2016. But he is somebody who again is sort of a likeminded republican as the president. When the president has backed other republicans in primaries, martha robe in alabama, it has had an effect and helped those candidates. Were going to watch to see if he has that pull or has it in the state of kansas. Okay. So thats republicans. Democrats, you sort of have this intraparty battle, right, between the more far left, Bernie Sanders wing and the democratic establishment. How is that shaking out . Were going to have several tests of how that is going to shake out in various races tonight. Youre right, Bernie Sanders along with Alexandra Cortez have been on the Campaign Trail really trying to support the more Progressive Candidates in some key races. And one that is perhaps the most notable is also in kansas. It is a race to see who the democratic candidate is going to be to challenge a republican and the republicans name is congressman yoder. This is one of those Hillary Clinton districts, brooke. So its in a red state, but Hillary Clinton won this particular district. And democrats on the National Level are kind of concerned, are pretty concerned that the more Progressive Candidate who they want, his name is brent welder could win. It would make it tougher to beat the incumbent republican. And that is going to be one of the tests, first of all, to see if Bernie Sanders and h

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