The latest news from around the world with host Brooke Baldwin. There in alexandria, virginia. Joe, bring me up to speed on the trial at this moment. Reporter so, our question, of course, as you said at the top, brooke, is when will crossexamination begin . The assumption is its pretty close. What we do know is that the prosecution has asked a lot of questions and there was a break around, what, 2 30 p. M. Eastern time that was supposed to go until about 2 45 eastern time. The judge told the defense to keep questions and crossexamination sharply focussed. Sort of telegraphing the things to come. Now, lets talk a little bit about the last testimony we heard from rick gates. Hugely important, almost anything he says about the case. I think one of the most interesting points that was brought out by the judge at the very end of that direct
defense . Because cant the defense just say this guy is an admitted liar. This is the guy who should be on trial. And really attacking his credibility . Well, he should have been on trial except he pleaded guilty and of course he acknowledged his criminality. So before the jury you have a person who unlike manafort has acknowledged his guilt and stands ready to be questioned. Now, the questioning will be very sharp because theres a lot of material for the defense to go into. And particularly in my view the fact that he actually stole money from manafort will be highlighted. There was no honor among these thieves. That will be a point which the defense, im sure, will spend a good deal of time on. But the overarching question is whether the two of them together
before they split up because one of them has turned states evidence, whether the two of them have reaped huge amounts of money, which they did not pay taxes on, which they violated any number of different laws and regulations about because of their greed. Thats what will ultimately be before the jury. On the greed, so you have gloria, this battle of two liars. You have the admitted liar and you have the accused liar. Ultimately it is the jury who will decide who they believe. Right. Also dont forget there are documents theyll be looking at. Theres an accountant, theres a woman who admitted that she was Falsifying Documents for Paul Manafort. The paper trail. Right. Its not just that you have one liar against another liar. There are no heroes in this
story, but you also do have things, emails, documents that they can look at, bank records. They can see exactly what was transpiring and then they can decide whether gates who after all is pleading for his life here. We know that. Thats why he turned states evidence. But then they can decide who theyre going to believe. As richard says, theyre going to attack gates because he embezzled money from manafort, so there you go. Not exactly a great guy here. But he admitted it. He is singing here. But i have to say that thats not the only thing the jury is looking at. Theyre looking at paper. Theyre looking at emails. So, those things dont lie. Is the documentation, which is such a key part of the prosecutions case, richard,
will that along with gates testimony be enough . Well, certainly the prosecution believes so. And it is a very strong case when you have this amount of Documentary Evidence as gloria points out and as well as witnesses who once worked for the two of them who acknowledge under oath that manafort was directing the operation, was the person who had the ultimate say so and where as gates might have done various administrative things and executed orders from manafort, the prosecutions theory is that manafort was the guy in charge. Hes the one with the different houses and the incredibly lavish lifestyle. So, thats going to effect the jury substantially. I was talking richard just staying with you, i was talking
with one of our lawyers last hour and they were saying if gates lies just even once like the teeniest of lies on the stand, once, his deal gets ripped up. Thats very rare in practical terms. While the terms of the Plea Agreement say that, unless there is an enormous lie and something that has been hidden, thats not likely to happen. But remember, they caught gates in a lie in his original proffer. And that was a problem for him. So, you know, youre not dealing with somebody who is unfamiliar with lying. But i dont think the jury has any great choices in saying this guy is a good guy. They were bad guys doing bad stuff. Listen, the prosecution didnt find gates by looking in
the phone book. Exactly. He was manaforts guy for many, many years. Right. That was the association that manafort chose. Thats something the prosecution will harp on, believe me. Let me turn the page on someone else, Michael Cohen, gloria, that the Wall Street Journal is reporting that Michael Cohen, trumps former attorney, could be facing new legal troubles. Theyre saying that cohen is under federal investigation for possible tax fraud, after underreporting, theyre saying, underreporting from his taxi medallion business. I imagine that would put additional pressure on cohen to try to speaking of deals cut a deal with the Special Counsel. Look, i think hes trying. I think hes been waiving a red flair saying i know all this. There are things i know that i can tell you that i would like to either deal with the Special Counsel or the Southern District of new york. He made it no secret that donald trump is no longer his mentor
and good friend. And so these kinds of charges, which the Wall Street Journal is reporting about are things that i think we would expect. Its been talked about in the taxi medallion business, for example, Taxi Medallions used to be worth a lot of money than uber came along and they were worth a lot less. And maybe he overstated his financial picture when he was trying to get some loans. So, it makes sense that these are things that they might be looking at. But we at this point in our reporting we do not know about any conversations that he has, that his attorney Guy Pa Tril Low has been having with the Southern District of new york. So this story has to play out for a while longer. Got it. Gloria and richard, thank you so much on that. Coming up next, it is a huge day in america here ahead of the general election voters at the polls in five states in what could be a crucial test for the future of the Democratic Party,
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You said it, all eyes on that first race there that youre talking about, the d versus the r, the congressional race in ohio. Youve got republican troy balderson, democrat danny oconnor. This is the last special election of the cycle before novembers midterms, thats why so many people are watching to sort of get where are the prevailing winds just a few weeks out from that big midterm election. You noted this is a district donald trump won by 11 points. Its been in republican hands for 35 years. The fact that its a dead heat is already astounding, but well see if the democrats pull out a big upset here and actually make their november goal one seat closer, they would only need then 22 seats in november as a net gain to win the majority of the house of representatives, but there are a couple primaries, brooke. You mentioned donald trump hangs over all of this. That is true especially in kansas in the governors race there, chris kobach a controversial figure in kansas, part of President Trumps now Depad Depanelled voter fraud. Donald trump went against the wishes of the Republican Governors Association and the establishment crowd, he went against the sitting republican governor in kansas and the big question is, if kobach wins the nomination tonight, does that put that kansas gubernatorial
seat in jeopardy in november . One final thing i want to show you is on the democratic side, brooke. Weve got a democratic divide. You know we talked about this a lot. All three of these candidates, in michigan, abdul elsayed, and brent welder and james thompson, they have the Progressive Wing endorsement this primary season. Its the flip of what i was talking about kobach. If folks from this wing of the party emerge from the nominations tonight in the states, does that make the Democratic Party more likely or less likely come november . Will their progressive liberalism Progressive Wing of the party which is where weve seen the energy, that win tonight and was what does that mean for the chances for the party in november . You said its the last big test before the general in november. Well be up with you and watching the coverage. Thank you, my friend. Thanks, brooke. Coming up next, retiring
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certainly never criticized the president publicly since becoming his second in command, but now cnns kay file uncovered old columns that show 1990s mike pence may actually disagree with the current version of 2018 mike pence. Let me just set the scene. Its late 90s. Bill clinton is the president. Scandals engulfing the white house. Pence living in indiana wrote two columns both argue that the president of the United States should have high morals and if he or she does not that they should be impeached. Removed from office. He wrote, if you and i fall into bad moral habits, we can harm our families, our employers and our friends. The president of the United States can incinerate the planet, seriously, the very idea that we ought to have or less than the same moral demands placed on the Chief Executive that we plates on our next door neighbor is ludicrous and dangerous. Well start there with two conservatives with me here, scott jennings, cnn political
commentator and former Special Assistant to president george w. Bush and rich lowry the National Review editor and cnn political commentator. Gentlemen. Scott will take this first. Is he, im looking at you, first, my man. Im looking at you first. The 1990s pence seems like quite a different guy than the 2018 pence who is completely ignoring any sort of moral issue with trump. Do you agree with the 90s pence that a president should be impeached over moral violations . No, i dont think that was a good standard then, but obviously republicans talked much more that way then than they do now. And i think why dont they talk this way now . Well, obviously because you have a president of the United States who engages in conduct that no one should be proud of and no one should defend. One bright line is that he what set made the clinton scandal thermal nuclear, he continued his conduct in the office with an intern. Look, the republicans have given
up this ground for the time being. I think a key thing that happened in terms of the iteration of the party on this stuff was mitt romney, a fine, upstanding man got completely destroyed in 2012 and personally destroyed. So i think a lot of republicans concluded, we put up the boy scott. We got nothing from it. So lets go with this guy who is Something Else entirely. Again, hypocrisy . Well the constitution doesnt mention hypocrisy grounds for impeachment or morality. I argue Holding Someone to your own personal morals and trying to call that a high crime or misdemeanor is a really bad idea no matter who is in office. I disagree with 90s mike pence. I would also say that elections are not referendums theyre choices and im guessing that mike pence would argue that its immoral to do what go down the path of voting against republicans if it means putting a clinton in office. So, this is where it gets real dicey about trying to apply
morality to political situations. We have to stick with constitution. High crimes and misdemeanor, yes, Everything Else