The latest news from around the world with host Brooke Baldwin. Taking responsibility for crimes that hes going to say he committed. But this does not open up a can of worms of him now going on to cooperate against bigger fish in this investigation. That we know of yet. Yeah. That we know of yet. Okay. Lets broaden out the discussion and bring in a couple other folks here sitting next to me. I know its a big day when we have four people at the desk here in new york with me. First, just talking Michael Cohen. Good do see all of you with me. Eli, i start with you. Freshly with the microphone popped on. Nice to see you. Lets roll with just how significant is this news from cara, period . Huge. We know the damage that Michael Cohen can do to the president if necessary. And we probably only have a pretty narrow view. He can hurt him on the Campaign Finance with the payments to mcdougall and ms. Clifford. Can he bring home the piece on the Trump Tower Meeting . Its reported that cohen will say that the president knew about the meeting before it
on everything in any jurisdiction. Otherwise you dont get that elusive 5k1 letter to a judge. Taking a step back on what exactly i mean, this is somebody, Michael Cohen has been with donald j. Trump for a long, long time. Right . Way prepresidency and through the transition and into the white house. So what sort of knowledge may he have . Michael cohen goes back to donald trump at least a decade. You know . He knows him from real estate, from investing in real i state, buying from trump tower, his own apartments. He worked with him at the organization. He was involved in one of the attempts of a trump tower in moscow. He knows the actor, how the Trump Organization did business and how trump did business and where he steps in on the potential Campaign Finance violations striking these deals for donald trump. So, they go way back. You know, cohen did say he would take a bullet for him. That changed after the fbi raid in april when the trump distanced himself saying that cohen had done very little legal work for him and then weve seen this shift in cohens mindset here. So he knows trump well. He knows things he has tapes, right . We know that he has what must be thousands of hours of tapes but i think the question for the prosecutors here is, you know, Michael Cohen is going to plead guilty to violating the law in potentially a lot of ways. Is he truthful . Can they corroborate anything . He would be attacked as a witness and weve even seen that with the tape. We saw the trump we saw Donald Trumps respond and attack Michael Cohens credibility and only play out more at a trial to get to that point. To her point, ellie, how do they know that he would be telling the truth . And, and, if youre Michael Cohen and you have some goods to give, do you give up the goods and then take the plea deal . If you do decide to cooperate. Or do you take the deal and then spill the beans . Yeah. So the whole ball game is credibility. As cara said, if hes cooperating hes going to be a handful to get him corroborated. What does that mean a handful . He is going to have credibility issues all over the place because hes doing i would presume committing crimes, financial, campaign and otherwise with and for the trump people for decades. Ive done trials where the key witness has been a cooperating witness is a murderer. Im sure you guys have, too. We know how to corroborate that person. Look at the forensics, the body. Does it match up . In a way thats almost easier than corroborating someone like Michael Cohen where so much of what he has to say deals with complex Financial Transactions and word of mouth. So the number one thing that the prosecutors look for, can we bank a trial on him . Hows he banked up . I want to hear his tapes, number one. So important. I want do see the bank records. I want to see emails and theyre going to have to look at that and make a decision. Can we bank on this guy . He is a tough one. You were nodding. No. I agree completely. These kinds of crimes, if hes paying off people who would cause embarrassment to donald trump hes doing it in cash, most likely. Or hes doing it in a way its not traceable. Thats exactly the kind of corroboration youre looking for. Youre looking for a bank account which was debited by the same amount of money that was the bribe to give to the witness. If you dont have that, then its just a he said she said case and a witness on the stand attacked very aggressively because, you know, he is doing the dirty work and admits to it in the first place. Corroboration is the key. Okay. We have been talking Michael Cohen. Stand by. You mentioned Paul Manafort. Theres so much to get to on the Paul Manafort trial. Day four of deliberations continuing in virginia. One of the notes apparently
passed along, the jury today asking the judge, what happens if they cannot altogether agree on a church . He faces 18 counts. What that very specific question could mean for both sides in this case. Well dive deep binto that. Im brooke baldwin. Mom okay we need to get all your School Supplies today. School. Grade. Done. Done. Hit the Snooze Button and get low prices on School Supplies all summer long. Like these for only 2 or less at office depot officemax. You may choose any doctor that accepts medicare patients. You can even visit a specialist. With this type of plan there are no networks or referrals needed. Also, a Medicare Supplement plan. Goes with you when you travel anywhere in the u. S. Call today for a free guide. Report abdominal or shoulder tip pain, Trouble Breathing or allergic reactions to your doctor right away. In patients with sickle cell disorders, serious, sometimes fatal crises can occur. The most common side effect is bone and muscle ache. Ask your doctor about neulasta onpro. Pay no more than 5 per dose with copay card. All right. So quick update. We were talking about Michael Cohen. The president s former Personal Attorney before the break. And now we have just gotten a little nugget from Laura Jarrett here at cnn that theres a proceeding in regards to the cohen matter today. So in about two hours from now. According to this Southern District of new york. Immediately following the deputy u. S. Attorney will make remarks. At the entrance of the courthouse. So i have my lawyers next to me. Elie, you say this means almost certainly got to be a plea. The only possible thing other than a plea is theyre announcing an indictment of him without a plea. One way or another hes being charged. So either hes pleading to it today at 4 00 or going in and being arraigned and take it from there. I saw footage before showing they got the barricades out there. What does that mean . Big deal. They dont have them out every day. Something big is happening. Also breaking this hour, the jury in the Paul Manafort jutri just indicated they could be close to a verdict after asking the judge, quote, if we cannot come to a consensus for a single count how can we fill in the Verdict Sheet . The judge here, judge t. S. Eliot told the jurors to give deference to each other and keep deliberating. Jessica schneider is outside this courthouse in virginia so
shes with me now and Paul Manafort, you know, charged with 18 counts, tax evasion, bank fraud, hiding foreign bank accounts. If this jury agrees on all but this one count, did the judge today indicate he would accept a partial verdict . Reporter so, heres the thing, brooke. The judge indicated that, yes, he would accept this partial verdict if it came to that. But he did so outside the presence of the jury. He made this comment in the courtroom where the Defense Attorneys and the prosecutors were present. As well as people within the courtroom. He did not tell the jury that. He did not indicate to the jury that he would potentially accept this partial verdict. Instead, what he did tell the jury was he implored them to go back into the jury room and continue deliberating on the one count, if only one count they were having issues with or to all 18 counts. He said go back and really work at this. This is known as an alan charge. Here in virginia it is a Sawyers Charge and the judge gave them a lengthy statement. Five minutes in all and he said, go back in. Specifically, he said, you should not surrender your honest conviction simply to reach a verdict but. Then he said it is your duty to agree upon a verdict if you can do so without vie latting your individual inclination so the judge said, look, go back in there. Defer to each other. Listen to each other. Talk this out. And really make another go of it to see if you can reach a decision here. Brooke, right now about 2 20, those jurors are about 2 20 into this deliberation that happened after that judge instruction. And after what seems like a little bit of a second go around here to see if they can reach a consensus. Its a watch and wait out here as we have been doing for four days. I know you have. Jessica, thank you. Well come back to you the second you get more. I have elie and paul and caroline with me. Paul, first, before we even jump into what jessica was talking about, you have essentially an unwritten rule of however many days a trial goes on equals x days of deliberation. The pattern in high profile cases tends to be one day of deliberation for one week of trial. Now, in this case, weve had about ten days of trial extending a little bit into the third week. Before it got submitted to the jury. So, that would suggest were at verdict time now today. Today. If it extends beyond today it starts to indicate a hung jury. I would think a verdict is in the wind today. Whats the deal . The jurys listen. This is complex. But if the jury comes to this judge and says, hmm, if we cant all reach a consensus on this one count, what are you thinking in what are you thinkinging hell take a partial verdict. By the way, theres nothing unusual about this, at all. Especially in a big indictment with a lot of counts. If the jury comes to the conclusion of 17 out of 18, normally the court will say, all right, ill take the verdict and the 1 count they havent agreed on theyre hung on that count, the prosecutor might have the right to retrial the defendant on that count if thats a critical, very, very important count but ive been looking through the counts and you can sever all of them from each other. For instance, the tax counts have to do with tax returns signed in different years. So maybe they have a problem with one year but they dont have a problem with the indictments on the other four years. Some of the Bank Fraud Counts deal with different banks. And different loans. So it could just be one loan that they thought that was inadequate proof on and cant reach a Condition Collusion and all of the others they can. So if you have 17 counts where theres a verdict is that the Functioning Assumption and then just asking
about one count you think . Reading the tea leaves in the text, theres more to the question they asked to indicate they had come to a consensus on the 17 counts. He delivered the alan charge which i love. Its so funny. Go back and make a decision and also dont, you know, change your minds so i mean, it is a little bit of a the idea to conserve resources. Nobody likes a hung jury. Its not that big of a deal one count the government is going do see it as a huge win with a conviction on 17 counts. And this is just further emblematic of this judge keeping the train on the track. Rock it, docket. He wants a verdict on all 18 f. Youre the prosecutor, you want the judge to tell them, look, you can hang on one count. Give us the other 17 and the fear is they misunderstand somehow and think if they cant get to consensus on 18, throw it all out. Which is the prosecutors dont want this. As paul said, you can have a partial verdict. If youre the prosecutor and 17 counts of conviction, even 10 and 7, 10 convictions of you take that every day of the week as a prosecutor. If pauls math is correct, today could be the day. Dont go too far. Well see. Back to the other Breaking News here. Michael cohen will appear in manhattan federal court. Is he about to accept a plea deal with prosecutors . Well take you live to that courthouse, next. Confidence and convenience plus get these 4 benefits from kenmore at sears. And save during our labor day event with your sears card. Get up to fifty percent off appliances. This high efficiency washer and matching dryer now 539. 99 each. And this fingerprint resistant French Door Refrigerator now 899. 99. Hurry in for savings to the sears labor day event sears and kenmore. Be amazing. And well make heaven a place on earth yeah oh, my angels ooh, heaven is a place on earth [ sobs quietly ] ooh, heaven is a place on earth you wouldnt accept from any one else. Why accept it from an allergy pill . Flonase relieves sneezing, itchy, watery eyes and a runny nose, plus nasal congestion, which most pills dont. Its more complete allergy relief. Flonase. Im a small business, but i have. Big dreams. And big plans. So how do i make the efforts of 8 employees. Feel like 50 . How can i share new plans virtually . How can i download an efile . Virtual tours . Zipfile . Really big files . In seconds, not minutes. Just like that. Like everything. The answer is simple. Ill do what ive always done. Dream more, dream faster, and above all. Now, ill dream gig. Now more businesses, in more places, can afford to dream gig. Comcast, building americas largest gigspeed network. Welcome back. We continue to follow the Breaking News of the president s long time fixer and former
attorney. Cnn confirming that Michael Cohen who is facing possible criminal charges is in talks with prosecutors for a potential plea deal. Just over an hour and a half, a Court Proceeding involving Michael Cohens quote legal situation and not only under investigation for possible bank and tax fraud and possible charges related to secret payments including that sixfigure payoff to silence porn star Stormy Daniels. Bryn, what more do you know . Reporter an hour and a half or so from now we expect Michael Cohen to appear before a federal judge and because of that we are expecting to hear that if not before that a plea deal has been made between cohen and federal prosecutors. Now, the details of that agreement we still dont know just yet. You laid out the things, of course, have been investigated
for four and a half months since that april raid of Michael Cohens hotel room and office and home. When it comes to bank fraud, tax fraud, all of these things were under a microscope for Michael Cohen but were not sure yet what investigators and cohen and his attorneys have agreed on to plead guilty to. Of course, when these Court Appearances happen, they have to go before a judge and Michael Cohen will have to admit to the same charges that he pleads guilty to and probably give a bunch of detail what hes pleading guilty to. We might get names and answers to questions people asking for four and a half months and this is an extremely significant. What we were originally hearing, this is an important thing to note, brooke. We were hearing as part of this plea deal there was not a Cooperation Aspect for Michael Cohen. Meaning, he wasnt going to cooperate with other investigations according to our reporting. But again, that could have changed in the last few hours. Literally everything is fluid up until this point. We know that were going to hear from the u. S. Deputy attorney after that 4 00 court appearance. Unclear to if well hear from Michael Cohen himself or his attorneys but like i said we are just standing by waiting for more information. A lot of movement here at the federal courthouse as we learn, wait to learn more. Brooke . Brynn, well check back with you. Thank you so much. That happening in about an hour and a half from now. Laura coates is with me now. Our cnn legal analyst. Laura, brynn alluded to the Key Information we could finally learn. Right . Names, crimes, et cetera. What are those key pieces you will be waiting to hear . Ill be waiting to hear about what is the charge to plead guilty to and the court may have some point have a discussion of a proffer of what evidence or charges they could have brought against a particular person, Michael Cohen. They probably wont go into great detail about the full scope of charges that were available to them. The full umbrella of it. But theyll focus on the particular charge they know that hell plead guilty to, he will be on the hook for. The most important thing to watch for is, you know, they may or may not disclose whether hes a full cooperator or an idea to keep things close to the vest for a cooperator of certain aspects of it but information from him what hes pleading guilty to and whether or not he will after being convicted of a crime at that point in time possibly held in jail until then and most people plead guilty leave and go home until they have their pending case. Case in point michael flynn. Well learn a lot from this. Hang on a second. I hear you on we may or may not know if he