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CNNW CNN Newsroom With Carol Costello December 16, 2014

National correspondent, joins us now from washington and there n london charlie winter is an expert on radical islam hes with a think tank focussed on counterterrorism. First you. Tell us about this group and how its been targeting the United States successfully as far as we know. Well, ttp is the acronym for its pakistani name. But the Pakistani Taliban, principle its principle target is the pakistani government but it has gone after the u. S. Most common way across the border in afghanistan against u. S. Forces in afghanistan. Thats been a target. But they carried their attacks in that attempt in 2010 radicalizing this attacker with the failed bomb attack in times square and theyve made other threats. After the raid that killed Osama Bin Laden in 2011 they called for retaliation against the u. S. , including on u. S. Soil. In 2012 again they called on followers to carry out operations overseas not just against the u. S. But against european partners. Now intelligence officials i talked to say that their principal focus is the pakistani government, the Pakistani Military. You can see this attack as retaliation for significant operations that the Pakistani Military has had under way in the northwestern part of the country with some success against the Pakistani Taliban its a great group has greater aspirations and something u. S. Intelligence, u. S. Count terror officials have to keep an eye on. This particular group, i thought u. S. Officials said it had been weakened. It has. The pakistanis have had a lot of problems. Nost just the pakistanis. Two drone strikes in the last several years have killed two of their leaders, two of their Senior Leaders including a man killed and hes one of the leaders of thetp, the Pakistani Taliban, thats made specific threats against the u. S. So you can see perhaps this attack its something of an act of desperation to show their strength striking the the weakest, softest target imaginable. These groups are heart to put down. Even if they had been weakened they were not destroyed and theyre able to carry out a significant attack. A question for you is isis in its brutal attacks inspiring other terrorist groups to act as brutally as possible . I think there is certainly a phenomenon where different jihadist groups are trying to outbid each other. They know that Islamic State does have the media spotlight at the moment and i think a group like the ttp is i think this attack was largely driven by an to your knowledge retaliate. Vengeance if you like. I think al qaeda as well will be doing a similar thing. Islamic state has taken the eyes of the international media. Everyone wants to know whats happening in iraq and syria. That does mean people arent so interested in whats happening in pakistan and north africa, the arabian peninsula. Its so chilling. There there be a back sflash will other countries stand up strongly and fight back against these groups . Well, i think that at the moment they were doing all they can to fight back against these groups. Its very difficult. A lot of countries are structurally inhibited from attacksing these groups properly. Weve seen primarily the military response to the ttp and thats led to an attack like thi this. Always at the heart of these issues is politics. The group say theyre driven by jihadism, that theyre trying to implement islam on the earth but in reality its politics driving them. Jim, you wanted to say . I was just going to say that it has been a primarily military response there is a far greater response that you will hear from many that need to happen. Ive been to the islamic schools in parts of pakistan where this kind of thinking, islamist thinking, is fuelled among very young people seeing the west as at war with islam. And also a lot of criticism falling on the pakistani government for making a deal with the devil if you might call it. Their own ties to the stall ban across the border in afghanistan. They use that as a lever of power and that lever of power has been used to attack u. S. Forces, carry out terrorist attacks, et cetera. So you have this longterm relationship with these groups that this is something. There has to be a comprehensive response. There cant just be military operations. In effect, they have to wean themselves off this relationship with these groups to attack a lot of the root cause of this terrorism. I have to leave it there, thanks to both of you. Jim sciutto, charlie winter, many thanks. After weeks of revelations against bill cosby, someone is stepping forward to defend him. That would be his wife camille. Shes linking the comedians case to another story in the headlines. You know, that Rolling Stone article and uva. Lets talk about that next. When you dont get enough sleep. And your body aches. Youre not yourself. Tylenolpm relieves pain and helps you fall fast asleep and stay asleep. 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And you know, unless there is a trial, unless there is a court of law with a jury or a judge to decide, i guess that question may never really be answered. Its just something well, the Rolling Stone article some might say, well, she has a point there, right . And there have been other instances, right . The duke rain scandal. Those two young men were found innocent by the attorney general of that state so there have been situations, but also as a responsible journalist when women keep coming up with similar stories, you have to vet them as we do before we put them on the air and we have to hear that and we want to hear the other side. We want the other side out there and the statement doesnt answer that big question. Right. It seem there iss a different kind of pr Campaign Going on right now with the cosbys. And i think one sentence demonstrates that. He is the man you thought you knew. Because the bill cosby we grew up with, that has done so much forrors and that we have respected, she wants to restore that. And i think its also interesting that she talks about that the man youve heard about in the last couple of months. But remember almost a decade ago the civil suit . It was very public back in 2005 and other people like Tamara Greene stepped forward and spoke so it wasnt silent behind closed doors but the focus is now. I ask you this every time, but whats the end game . Like i just dont see it eve appreciate it. Ill be right back. W me, they say i never thought you would quit. but chantix helped me do it. Along with support, Chantix Varenicline is proven to help people quit smoking. It gave me the power to overcome the urge to smoke. Some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. Some people had seizures while taking chantix. 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Jeb bush youll be surprised 1 announcing on twitter i am excited to announcely actively explore the possibility for running for president of the United States. In a Facebook Post bush goes on to say he made the decision about the future of the nation and the kind of leadership he thinks the United States needs. Bush adds he will said up a leadership pack in january that will help facilitate conversations with americans from coast to coast. He signed off on the post ill be in touch soon. Onward, jeb bush. Claire borger is on the phone right now. Gloria, no surprise right . She dropped. We lost gloria borger. Ill move on. Again, jeb bush via twitter says he is, indeed, thinking of running for president of the United States. Well talk much more about this. I want to get gloria back on the phone. In other news, the family of a man shot and killed by police at a Walmart Store in ohio in august is now filing a federal lawsuit. John crawford was carrying a. Be b. Gun he had just picked up in the store when police approached him. Police call it a mistake in there which there were no bad guys. But the crawford family blames his death on excessive force. Our nay cabrera is following the story live from chicago. Good morning, ana. Good morning, carol. This is a federal civil suit that the family and their attorneys are planning to file today in the death of John Crawford, iii. This happened back on august 5. The Police Officers involved want through grand jury proceedings, they were not indicted in the case which is part of what has been the outrage in the recent days and months after several different instances of africanamerican men being killed by white Police Officers. Now, the family is suing the police department, the police chief, as well as walmart itself saying that this shooting was not justified and were showing you some Surveillance Video from inside walmart on that day and pictures of John Crawford. Heres what we know about what happened on that day, august 5. John crawford went to walmart with his girlfriend, his girlfriend says they were planning to get stuff to make smores. He picks up a toy gun, essentially. Maybe not a toy gun but it wasnt a rifle as it appeared. It was a bb gun inside the store and can be seen wandering through the store while on a cell phone carrying that b. B. Gun, another customer in the store called police on that day and in the 911 call you can hear that customer describing somebody Walking Around the store with a gun. He apparently says that hes pointing the gun at people in the store, including churn and thats how police end up responding with that background in their mind. What happens when police get there is whats in question. The family says they essentially shot first, asked questions later, that they had the thad preconceived notion that this man was in the store to do harm and they believed he brought the gun in the store with that purpose. That was before, we now know, that he never brought the gun in the store, he picked it up in the store and it wasnt even a real rifle, carol. I know theres also anger at the way crawfords girlfriend was questioned by police. What are they saying about that in the lawsuit . Well, theres new video we just learned about an interrogation that happened with crawfords girlfriend tasha thomas on the day he died before she even knew that he had died. In fact, she is just hammered over and over again by this detective who is essentially trying to get her, at least in the familys eyes, to Say Something that wasnt true. That crawford had brought the gun into the store and the family attorney, michael wright, says this goes to prove that police were trying to justify why they shot John Crawford. And you can hear in the video as you its a 90minute interrogation, over and over and over again the detective says why would he have a gun . Didnt he bring in the there . And she keeps on saying i swear on my dead brother, i swear on my kids, i swear on my job, i swear to god i do not know he had a gun. I do not know that he he did not bring it into the store. And at the very end of the interview is when we find out and she learns that crawford, in fact, died. Listen to this. All right, welg to let you know, unfortunately john has passed away as a result of this. I dont have any other way to tell you. What happened there wasnt a good thing and as a result of his actions, he is gone. You sure you dont want your mom back here . Well give you a minute to process that, okay . You see that devastation upon hearing the news that her loved one had died. Now, we did have a chance to read through the report made by this detective who was interrogating tasha thomas and he essentially said his line of questioning was under the assumption that John Crawford had brought the gun into the store, that he did not know the back story when police later were able to look at the Surveillance Video. He also said he waited that long to tell her that crawford had died because he also did not know crawford had died and he told her as soon as he learned it he says. Carol. Wow. Im sure youll continue to follow this story. Ana cabrera reporting live from this morning. Thank you. Lets return to our breaking news from the political world. As i told you, jeb bush announcing on twitter he will explore the possibility of running for president of the United States. I want to talk with gloria borger. Shes on the phone right now. Hi, gloria. Hi. I like his tortured wording. Im excited to announcely actively explore the possibility of running for president of the united its a little tortured. Thats what they all say. I was told last week that when jeb bush decided it was not as if he was going to have a balloon drop but he was going to sort of announce in the a different way and i think thats what youve seen. You saw him yesterday saying okay, im releasing 250,000 emails from when i was governor. Im doing an ebook and then announcing on social media that, yes, im exploring the possibility. Which means i think we can all safely say that jeb bush is running for president. Until he is he isnt. But he is. So what do you think tipped the scales for him . What do you think made him decide to run . I think that if you look back over the past six to nine months, six to nine months ago everyone i was talking to, including people in his inner circle were saying hes thinking about it but i dont think theres any way hes going to do it. His family aside from his mother

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