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That. And someone you trust, youre right. Jim sciutto, thanks so much. The next hour of cnn newsroom starts now. Captions by vitac www. Vitac. Com good morning. Im carol costello. Thank you for joining me. We begin this hour with a failed 34r09 plot to attack the homeland and a would be terrorist in handcuffs. Chris cornell, a 20yearold man from the suburbs of cincinnati plachbd to travel to washington, d. C. Then set off pipe bombs at the capitol and gun down lawmakers and stach as they tried to escape. This morning his father is blasting the fbi accusing the agency of setting up his son. I spoke with john cornell a short time ago and asked him how his family is doing. My wife is just totally heartbroken. Ive gone from shock to heartbroken to almost having feelings of anger, and ill explain why. I know the fbi are saying they had an informant that christopher had supposedly made these statements on twitter. When you say informant, hes not an informant. What he was is a person that had criminal charges pending and is a snitch. He became a snitch for the fbi, and im telling you my son im not saying hes a saint. Hes 20 years old, going on 16. Hes a big kid. Hes never been outside of cincinnati other than to wrestle at some wrestling tournaments when he was a kid. Theres no way on the face of this earth that he plotted this by himself. Theres no way he could have came up with this. I know my son better than anyone. I believe that he met with this informant before the informant ever contacted the fbi. I believe this informant filled his head with a bunch of garbage. I believe he was tricked, tricked into correspondence afterwards. The informant supposedly came to my house and picked christopher up on a couple of occasions. He was probably wearing a wire. This guy, we never even really got a good look at him. Like i said my son christopher is 20 years old going on 16. John cornells son was arrested yesterday afternoon in the parking lot of a gun store near his home after he purchased semi automatic rifles and 600 rounds of ammunition. Alexandra field joins us from outside of that gun shop with more. Reporter carol, after months of watching Christopher Cornell authorities made their arrest two miles from his home in the parking lot of this gun shop. This is where they say he bought two weapons and hundreds of rounds of ammunition. It was the final piece of evidence that they say led 24e78 to believe that his alleged talk about an attack wasnt just talk. An ohio man in custody for allegedly plotting an igs sis inspired attack. Of fushls say Christopher Lee cornell was planning to detonate pipe bombs around the building and shooting people as they fled. The 20yearold came to the fbis attention several months ago for alarming social media posts talking about violent jihad. In an undercover operation cornell told an informant he had contacts overseas he had aligned himself with isis and believed lawmakers were his enemy. A criminal complaint says cornell did not think he would receive authorization to conduct a terrorist attack in the United States but wanted to wage jihad on his own writing i believe we should meet up and make our own group in alliance with the Islamic State here and plan operations ourselves. He researched the targeted government buildings and the construction of pipe bombs. Wednesday cornell purchased two m15s and 600 rounds of ammunition from this gun store in cincinnati before fbi agents arrested him in the parking lot. Wkrc obtained this image of his arrest from a customer inside a nearby store. The Gun Store Owner who had been cooperating with authorities described cornells demeanor. There wasnt really anything about him that would have suggested he was involved in Something Like this. Reporter carol, Law Enforcement sources tell cnn because they were able to follow cornell for so many months as they did this investigation, lawmakers were never in any eminent danger. Carol . Alexandra field reporting. The fbi says Christopher Cornell under the name raheel ubaydah used social media to plot violence with a cocon spear tore who ended up being an fbi informant. Suspects like cornell using twitter has angered british Prime Minister David Cameron. Hell urge president obama to take tougher stands against it. Michelle kosinski cnn security and Intelligence Analyst robert bear and cnn social media expert samuel burke. Michelle mr. Cameron will try to get the president to pressure thighs americans companies. Thats a tall order, isnt it . It absolutely is. Its a tall order in america to get certain amounts of information from these companies. They protect privacy and make a big deal of doing so. In britain the government can simply ask certain telecoms to turn over information and records when needed. By law they have to do that. Im sure britain would love American Companies who do business in britain or have clients in britain to do the same. If those American Companies were to do that, they would be braking privacy laws in america. Right off the bat, thats really not going to happen. It did emerge just in the past year though that American Companies like google and like facebook do comply with nsa schemes that are private to turn over certain information when its asked for. Its not as if the nsa has direct access to a giant pool of information from these companies, but they do comply with it. Thats all kept very secret though. So its not as if theres a lot of detail out there or that these companies themselves are even talking about it. The other issue is encryption. Even with court orders when companies turn over information to Law Enforcement, often its encrypted form and Law Enforcement has had off the time get together the bottom of that. The british would like that encryption to also be curtailed. Again, its going to be very difficult to do this. Its this big battle between privacy and Law Enforcement needs, carol. And i want to pose the next question to samuel then. We hear all the time that extremists get ideas to become can be radicalized through social media. What does facebook and twitter do to prevent that . The problem is they have this huge pool to look at. Its becoming very difficult for them to look at that because they have so many use irs. Literally over a billion users in some cases. The other thing we have to think about is because of what the nsa does a lot of Technology Companies are trying to make it so that even if the gofrlt comes to them and says we have a warrant, we can look at this theyre making it so the information isnt there anymore, so it disappears after a certain amount of time or so its there but only the user themselves can decrypt that information, not them. Ill pose this question to robert bare. They slammed facebook for creating a safe haven for terrorists. Is that fair . Its something of a safe haven. But look at it from the Intelligence Officers perspective. If British Intelligence gchq couldnt monitor facebook and twitter accounts a lot of these people would come under the radar. Most cases in this country and britain are broken thanks to monitoring these social media sites. If you simply close these people down theyre going to find other ways to communicate and youd loose sight of them. If the cow of chi brothers had been up on twitter describing what they were going to do the french would have caught them. The fact s they went off social media. They were able to communicate and thats how the attack occurred without being stopped in advance. Michelle the british Prime Minister is saying sometimes facebook and twitter doesnt share information. You hear from samuel why. Hes even talking about possibly banning facebook and twitter if they dont turn over pert meant information. There is that argument on the other side that there are certain restrictions in place that if pedophiles or child pornography, if thats flagged, that that can be stopped. Its not like theres something that similar that goes into an alert for terrorist activity. Its extremely difficult to monitor. Its free speech also. There was a case about that recently if someone is saying something that looks like its leading to violence well that could be considered freedom of expression up and to a point. Who is really to determine that . So when you start digging in a little bit more and encroaching more on privacy, youre opening up a whole other can of worms as to how someone is going to interpret what someone said. This is going to be an argument that goes on for a very long time. Its hard to imagine that David Cameron is going to get what he wants. It is possible that the u. S. Will agree to work more closely with british Law Enforcement and ask these companies for information and maybe make a more clear case, put on a little bit more pressure that this information case by case is critical and important and could prevent violence on an imminent basis. I see samuel nodding his head. Two different sides going on. On the one hand the governments want us to store more information, want the companies to store information. On the other hand people like me reporting on Cyber Security hear from the cyber experts, we go on cnn and tell people we should start moving to new forms of communication where everything is deleted, that way we dont see hacks like sony. Imagine if those emails from sony had all been deleted once they were sent we had this erasable internet maybe one day and if somebody tried to hack you, there would be no information to be hacked. You have these two conflicting interests going on in Cyber Security experts really pushing for that socalled irascible internet. I hear what you say, bob,. At what point does it become dangerous . I dont think its dangerous. Isis has moved to mobile wifi. They simply drive along the road, take a shot satellite shot download their message on the internet. 40 minutes later they took it off. Theres nothing that National Security agency or gchg can do about it. We can talk about going after these big sites, its a drop in the bucket and these people are very sophisticated and they can manipulate the airwaves and get around our surveillance. There are black holes that we just cant see into. All right. I have to leave it there. Thanks to all of you, Michelle Kosinski samuel burke, bob baer. Still to come french investigators say they have new leads emerging from the days before the deadly siege on that Kosher Grocery store. Cnns jim sciutto is in paris. Reporter carol, the more investigators look the more the leads take them outside of france to other countries in europe the middle east syria, yemen. Well have more after this break. If you dont think beat con men at their own game when you think aarp, you dont know aarp. The Aarp Fraud Watch Network helps everyone protect themselves and their families against scams and identity theft. Find more real possibilities at aarp. Org possibilities. When the flu hits, its a really big deal. The aches. 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Reporter no question carol. The more they look the probe keeps expanding, not just beyond paris but into europe, into the middle east. Today add belgium to the list of countries under the microscope. Federal prosecutors tell us a man is under arrest in connection with arms trafficking and he could have ties to the killer inside that Kosher Grocery store. He recently bought a car from that terrorists girlfriend. Secretary of state john kerry will arrive in paris later today and will meet with the french president. Tomorrow kerry, the highest ranking u. S. Official to visit france since the attacks. There are funerals for two more victims today, both killed here at the Charlie Hebdo offices, one a cartoonist the second a Police Officer who was providing security for the staff of the magazine. We want to focus more on the investigation and we have cnns International Correspondent frederik pleitgen. The more investigators look at this you hear this and watch this web expanding beyond france belgium today and others. How far have raters traced this so far . Reporter they seem to be trying to follow the trace of the money and the weapons as well. If we go and try to create a timeline of what seems to have happened it seems Amedy Coulibaly seems to have gone to the border between france and belgium, taken out a loan for 7,000 and gone across the order to charleroi. On tuesday he acquired at least two weapons there. Then he seems to have gone back to paris. Sometime before the attack apparently on new years day, he went down with Hyatt Boumediene down to mad drin. There was a third person she took the flight to istanbul he went back to paris and perpetrated those attacks. We do not know whether the third person that they had with them in madrid might be the man that we saw on that Surveillance Video at istanbul airport when she arrived there or whether or not it might be this fourth suspect that investigators are looking for, some believe that a man linked to some scooter keys that were found in coulibalys apartment might be a man who might have driven him to the kosher supermarket when he perpetrated the attacks. This is spanning more and more countries and getion more and more complicated, this web of jihadists that perpetrated these attacks. Reporter its interesting, fred the accused arms seller there turned himself in gives the impression that he did not know what the attackers were going to do with those weapons, turning himself after the Charlie Hebdo attacks. Reporter thats certainly possible. But from some media reports that im reading, it appears that this man is a known arms dealer. He seems to sell arms on the black market possibly to mafia organizations. Belgium has a big black market forearms. He apparently and this is according to media reports again, got quite afraid when he found out that couple bali was a jihadist and fearing for his own life as well but also learned of the attacks and turned himself in right afterward. Did he know who he was selling the arms to did he know what cowell bali had planned . We certainly dont know. He certainly went to the authorities himself, obviously at some point realizing that he was part of a very very large investigation into arguably the worst terror attack in frances modern day history. Reporter selling arms regardless for the reason bad enough. Thanks very much, frederik pleitgen. Carol, as you look at, this you had a lot of travel going on in the leadup to this attack. It seems people involved in this plat were making preparations to get out of dodge, get out of the country before the attack was under way so they could make it away from france possibly into syria and elsewhere before authorities could track them down. Jim sciutto, well check back with you in minutes. Ill be right back. Being my hero and my dad. Military families are thankful for many things. The legacy of usaa Auto Insurance could be one of them. Our worldclass service earned usaa the top spot in a study of the most recommended Large Companies in america. If youre current or former military, or their family, see if youre eligible to get an Auto Insurance quote. Thanks. [ male announcer ] fedex® has solutions to enable Global Commerce that can help your company grow steadily and quickly. Great job. mandarin cut it out. See you tomorrow. [meow mix jingle slowly and quietly plucks] right on cue. [cat meows] meow, meow, meow, meow. Its more than just a meal its meow mix mealtime. With great taste and 100 complete nutrition, its the only one cats ask for by name. I have an update now on this mornings protest that snarled the morning commute in boston. Two stretches of i93 which go through the heart of the hub is back open but it was closed for hours this morning because dozens of people chanting black lives matter were in the middle of the roadway. The protesters many chained to barrels filled with concrete are part of the movement calling attention to recent Police Killings of unarmed africanamerican suspects. I spoke with detective Daniel Richard of the Massachusetts State Police this last hour about the mess this created during rush hour. The individuals that we dealt with this morning unloaded heavy barrels into the roadway attach attached themselves to the barrels and also attached themselves to each other across the highway, bringing traffic to a standstill. Did they chain themselves together . Im not exactly sure how they what they attached themselves with. I believe it may have been zip ties. However, the investigation will prove out exactly how they attached themselves. It was quite an effort to get them separated and get them off the highway. As a matter of fact we just got word that the last protesters was taken from the northbound side in milton. Can you tell me a little bit about the efforts to remove them . The efforts to remove them was a coordinated effort between the Massachusetts State Police our local partners in Law Enforcement and the fire departments, special equipment had to be brought in in order to get the protesters out safely from the barrels they had attached themselves to and the different attachment devices that they were utilizing out in the roadway. It took quite some time to get through there and get a safe resolution to this incident where nobody no rescuers or protesters were injured. Were there arrests, sir . There were arrests. Currently yes have 17 arrests out of the medford scene and between six and eight out of milton. The numbers are not totally confirmed yet, but those people have been arrested and will be arraigned later today. Its one thing to peacefully protest, but this is another thing, isnt it . It certainly is. It is a protest that endangers not only the protesters it endangers the thousands of people that use that roadway to come to work or to enter into the city of boston major thoroughfare. Public safety is our major concern, and we were able to alleviate this particular problem in a safe manner where there were no injuries. Lieutenant Daniel Richard, thanks. Still to come pundits say it could be the democrats next big issue. Expanding paid leave to millions who do not have it. President obama expected to ask congress to pass a bill that would do just that. Is sick leave a right and not a privilege . Well talk about that next. 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Thats the idea behind president obamas renewed push to expand paid sick days and family leave to u. S. Employees who dont have it. The Healthy Families act would apply to about 40 of the private sector workforce. Thats more than 40 Million People. It would require companies to offer seven paid sick days and it offers 2. 2 billion to help states and cities develop paid family leave programs. The president is also expected to sign a memorandum granting six weeks of paid leave to federal employees to care for a new child or sick family members. In an interview with cnn, president obama Senior Adviser Valerie Jarrett talked about a potential showdown with congress over the issue. Do you anticipate any pushback from congress on the president signing the president ial memorandum on this initiative . I think clearly its well within his authority to sign the president ial memorandum. I think what we would really call on them is to recognize the fact that with these changing demographics in the workplace, if our u. S. Employers want to be globally competitive theyre going to have to offer the kind of benefits that will allow them to compete for, to attract and retain the best talent. So lets talk about this idea. Cnn political commentator and republican strategist tara set meyer is with me and cnn political commentator and democratic strategist Donna Brazile is here as well. Welcome to both of you. Happy new year. Tara is paid sick leave a right or a privilege . This is not a right. Its a privilege. When we start calling everything a right, it diminishes what are god given rights like right to religion and things like that. This is another political ploy. Who doesnt want paid sick leave . Everybody wants it. That sounds great. The practicality of applying it in real life has real life consequences for Small Businesses and employers. Who is going to pay for this . Most employers, Major Companies anyway they have some type of sick leave policy already. You dont need the government coming in and micromanaging what our businesses do particularly Small Businesses who are already drowning under almost 2 trillion worth of federal regulations already, not counting obamacare and what thats doing to Small Businesses. Its choking the lifeblood out of Small Businesses every time the government puts on another regulation like this. This is not the way to do it. Let the free market decide. Donna, would it choke the lifeblood out of Small Business owners . They would have a problem paying sick leave. Were talking about employers that hire 11 or more people. Look this is a moral, this is a moral issue. Earned paid sick leave is the right thing to do. We live in a competitive global society, and the United States is the only nation in the world that does not offer this to their employees. I think its a more imperative that we do it. Look just this past week my oldest sister had to take time out of her day because her employer offers earned paid sick leave to take care of her grandchild because her daughter didnt have paid sick leave. This is important, and i dont see why were focused on who it will hurt rather than the millions of americans who will benefit when someone is sick or when someone is taking time out to give birth to their child. It is difficult, tara for who have to take care of Sick Children to take off days and know theyre not going to be paid. Usually what moms do they take off when theyre healthy and go to work sick. Again, this is an example where a wellintentioned policy prescription the results dont bear out the well intentions. What happens here is that businesses have to either cut them if its two employees, it has to be paid for. These things will just come out of thin air. In supply and demand economics and businesses you have to pay for the increased cost. If youre paying for workers who are not putting out, thats at a cost to the business. Tara youre earning this. Noble is giving this to you. Youre earning this as part of working, and this is something that employees employers are offering to their employees as an incentive to work at their companies. I think but Many Employers already do this. Of course. Many employers already do this. Its up to whats the health of their business and Business Owners should be able to decide whats best for their workers, not the government forcing them. In states like new jersey, massachusetts, california that have already instituted this they are the least friendly business states. That is not true. You have not that is absolutely true. Not true tara. Yes, it is. Theres no evidence that businesses are going to shut their doors every time the republicans and some people who oppose progress whether its paid sick leave, family medical leave, you constantly say, oh the jobs are going to depart just like with the health care initiative. The jobs thats not true. Were just trying to have programs in the 21st century that enable workers to be able to earn a living take care of their families. If something, god for bit, something happens, they wont lose their job because theyre taking care of their families. Theres nothing immoral or wrong about that. Donna, most employers again, most employers. Reporter do this. To say were the only country in the civilized world that dont do this paid Maternity Leave . Paid Maternity Leave . Come on. There are by products of that that make it more difficult for women because then employers dont want to hire women because theyll be forced to brings on this mandate. Thats a form of discrimination as you well know. How about you give employers incentives to expand the businesses give them tax breaks to make it better instead of a regulatory burden, up to 2 trillion. Were going to have to leave it there. Well watch and see what happens. If you want to be competitive in the 21st century, you better start looking like the 21st century. Tara and donna, thanks so much. I appreciate it. Still to come in the newsroom, pope francis weighs in on the paris terror attack also getting a rousing welcome from cheering crowds in the philippines. Well take you to manila next. Huh, fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Everybody knows that. Well, did you know you that former pro Football Player ickey woods will celebrate almost anything . Unhuh. Number 44. Whoooo fortyfour, thats me get some cold cuts. Get some cold cuts. Get some cold cuts whooo gimme some geico. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Whoo fortyfour ladies, thats me whoo. 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Pope francis is speaking out about the terror attacks in france. On his way to the philippines he said quote, one cannot kill in the name of god. But he also added, one cannot provoke, one cannot insult other peoples faiths. The pope is getting a tremendous welcome in manila the capital of the philippines. Our senior vatican analyst john allen is there. What else did the pope say, john . Reporter the pope had a lot to say actually. This was a 50minute inflight press conference. This is one of the unique features of this papacy. We didnt use to get this kind of access to a pontiff. These used to be carefully choreographed and very carefully scripted affairs. France is a more let it all hang out pope. He came back and spent almost an hour with us. We heard from him in the Charlie Hebdo attacks in paris where he said nothing can justify violence. At the same time he said there are limits to free speech and if you deliberately insult the religious convictions of somebody else you shouldnt necessarily be surprised if they lash out. He used this homespun analogy, carol. He said i dont care if the guy is my best friend if he insults my mom, im going to punch him in the nose. That was his analogy. We also heard from him on Climate Change saying that he believes that the major part of damage to the environment the dramatic change to the environment is because of human activities. He says human beings have the tendency to slap nature around and it needs to stop. We heard from him on his own personal safety. He said he knows there are threats out there but he has a healthy obliviousness to it all. Finally, he revealed when he comes to United States in september, he plans to declare a new american saint. Un para sera an 18th century helped build up the faith. A potpourri of insight and commentary from pope francis today. There was a touching a charming moment. Didnt the popes hat blow off at one point in the philippines. When he arrived in manila it was a somewhat blustery afternoon when the papal plane touched down from sri lanka. You see the video there. As we all know about pope francis by now, hes not the kind of guy to let things like that get in his way. You see he just sort of shrugged it off and continued down the staircase. Of course, his humanity and ability to react in situations like that like an ordinary person would, is obviously part of this popes charm. That charm, carol, is going to be on display in a phenomenal fashion this week in the philippines. This is one of the most intensely catholic cultures on earth. When pope francis celebrates the final mass on sunday some predictions say he could surpass Pope John Paul iis alltime record for attendance set here in the philippines, 5 Million People for john paul in 1995. Some people think we can see more than 6 million for pope francis this time around carol. I wouldnt be surprised. John allen, thanks for your insight. I appreciate it. French officials are on the hunt for a new suspect in the paris terror al attacks. What does he know and was he involved in the brutal massacre. Plus new information about whether the kouachi brothers may have been secretly communicating with terrorists before the attack. S not muted. Was that you jason . It was geoffrey it was jason. It couldve been brenda. Shrimp . Who are you calling a shrimp . That, my friend, is a big shrimp. Its red lobsters big shrimp festival. I get to pick my perfect pair from six creations for just 15. 99. So open wide for crispy jumbo tempura shrimp with soy ginger sauce, and make room for creamy shrimp scampi linguini. Yeah, were gonna need a bigger fork. Unless i eat those spicy sriracha grilled shrimp right off the skewer. Dont judge me. Join me. 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According to a new report the man is suspected of driving Amedy Coulibaly to the kosher supermarket where he e gunned down four people. Meanwhile, as al qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula claims responsibility for last weeks rampage here many people are asking whether officials may have missed critical red flags. I want to bring in cnns pentagon correspondent barbara starr. The question seems to be how big were those missed red flags, if there were any missed by authorities in the runup to this. Reporter i think thats exactly right. Intelligence services around the world, especially the french and the United States are trying to do just that figure out what they missed. Al qaeda in yemens video claim responsibility for the attack in paris raises significant concern far beyond france cnn has learned. U. S. And French Intelligence Services are urgently working to determine if al qaeda in yemen, aqap secretly communicated with the coafter chi brothers after one or both of them returned from yemen in 2011. If that communication happened, it was so secret it wasnt detected despite the vast eavesdropping capabilities of the u. S. And that means the number one Al Qaeda Terrorist Organization targeting the u. S. And threatening to bomb aircraft can plot and plan without the u. S. Knowing about it. Aqap is the most dangerous affiliate associated with aq corps in terms of external plotting outside of their region where theyre located. Reporter it remains possible the paris attackers had no direct orders from aqap. But the u. S. Believes al qaeda in yemen is now using advanced Encryption Technology as just one method to keep their operations secret from u. S. Spying. That alone gives aqap huge room to maneuver. It could have receiveded parts of europe and other parts of the world who have been trained and instructed to attack when they feel appropriate or they could have an ongoing cadre of individuals that come in and out of yemen and set them off at a time of aqaps choosing. Reporter the u. S. Calculates aqap was already on the upswing in power for many reasons. Senior leaders like nasr wall hair shea and al asiri are all still very much in charge. Its safe haven areas are large and secure. Its continuing to recruit foreign fighters all of this raising questions about whether u. S. Drone attacks in recent years have even made a dent in the group. No one expect pd drones to have suffocated aqap and put it out of business. Reporter the bottom line intelligence sources are most worried, they need to get an answer to this question because they need to figure out if al qaeda in yemen has maybe even more attacks planned. Jim . Reporter barbara, aqap considered the most or one of the most severe threats to the u. S. Homeland as well. Carol, we think of the nsa as all seeing. This is an alarming possible that one of those most threatening groups to the u. S. Would have a way around that surveillance. Jim, thank you so much. I want to focus now more on the missed opportunities to prevent the attacks on the offices of Charlie Hebdo. Back in 2005 Cherif Kouachi was arrested as he prepared to commit violent jihad. He was then convicted and given a sentence of ten years in prison but he only served three years before he was released. Kouachi seemingly fell off the radar for french intelligence only to be seen again when he and his brother said committed one of the worst terror attacks france has ever experienced. Lets talk about this. Im joined by mark houser a University Editor at Robert Morris university. He med Cherif Kouachis lawyer while report on counterterrorism in europe back in 2005. Welcome. Thanks form having me on the show carol. Thanks for being here. We appreciate it. At the time you wrote you were surprised that kouachi was let out of prison for only three years. Why did french authorities decide to do that . Well when i visited france and talked to authorities there in 2005 kuch chi had just been arrested and was going to be charged. I talked to frances one of its two top terrorism judges. Judge riccard told me he didnt believe france had severe criminal sentences for terrorists. He was aware of this and so were the french at the time. Many of the terrorists i wrote about them were also out. Not just Cherif Kouachi, but also begal that we heard about, also the imam that radicalized kouachi. He was a Nursing Student at the hospital where the victims of the Charlie Hebdo were brought. You also route that kouachis lawyer convinced authorities, the judge, that kouachi had changed his mind about becoming a jihadist. Is that true . I dont know that he convinced them of that. He argued that certainly. They convicted kouachi, though. Its simply as i said, the sentences in europe once the investigators have broken up a ring this pattern seems to continue to this day sadly. The sentences are not very long and prisoners are eligible for Early Release or house arrest. I just read about another algerian convicted terrorist in france said harif who stole a car and fled and they know hes in syria now. Members of the hoff stad group in the netherlands that were linked to the murder of theo van go, the ville filmmaker, i wrote about those two. Theyre released other than van goghs killer. He has a life sentence. Even in spain a man known as ab duda da convicted for helping our 9 11 plotters and also the madrid bombing plotters hes been released, too. I think it was 2013. Im not sure where he is now. Why the light sentences . Did they not take these convictions seriously . Its hard to say. They certainly do take the threat of terrorism seriously. Ive been told that i was told that when i was there many years ago, and im sure thats still the case. When i talked to a spanish prosecutor who was working on the 3 11 case he pointed out to me that the first person ever arrested and convicted of islamic terrorism in spain, he got an appeal got out on appeal that is and the next thing we know the police had his apartment surrounded. He was one of the plotters of the madrid bombings. They only identified him by his dna because they blew themselves up. The focus in europe seems to be on investigating and less on strict or long sentences that were more accustomed to here. Thats a shame. Mark houser thanks for your insight. Appreciate it. Thank you for joining me today. Im carol cos stellatell low. this hour with burma and michaela after a blake. With tmobile and iphone 6 you can make wifi calls beyond the reach of cellular networks. 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