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CNNW CNN Newsroom With Carol Costello June 17, 2015

New polling out this morning, whos getting a legup on the competition . And we know theres no crying in baseball. But hacking . The st. Louis cardinals accused of stealing more than signs, team secrets, scouting reports, say it aint so, joe. Lets talk, live in the cnn newsroom. Good morning. Im carol costello. Thank you so much for joining me. Defense secretary Ashton Carter and joint chiefs of staff chairman general Martin Dempsey heading to capitol hill this morning where they will testify before a house panel on the u. S. Strategy in the middle east. These are live pictures from that hearing which is set to get under way any minute now. It comes just days after dempsey said a pentagon proposal could increase u. S. Troops in iraq. Earlier i spoke with the chairman of the Armed Services committee who said issues in the region go beyond the threat of isis. The president has said he didnt have a complete strategy for defeating isis but thats only one part of whats happening in the middle east. So our question before the secretary and the chairman is give us the military strategy for dealing with this multitude of chaotic situations that are engulfing the middle east and inevitably us. Cnn will monitor that hearing and of course bring you any developments. Also just two hours from now, we should get an update on the manhunt for those two escape escaped killers. The District Attorney scheduled a News Conference. But the search area for the fugitives is now expanding. Despite more than 1,200 leads, police may be no closer to finding these men. Lets bring in cnns Polo Sandoval to tell us more. Good morning. Reporter good morning, carol. At this hour we know that Law Enforcement officers on the ground also in the air shifting tharg focus away from an area that was taken a hard look at which was only about seven or eight miles from where we are, because there wasnt enough evidence to keep officers there. The early search for escaped killers richard matt and david sweat focusing on the immediate area 250 officers covering a few square miles around the prison. Then the manhunt shifted. A local newspaper reported no police guarded the terminals for the ferries that crossed Lake Champlain to vermont. Another possibility, canada 20 miles north of the prison. But a former fbi agent says the killers would not try to drive through checkpoints and going on foot is even harder. Theyre instantly setting themselves up for a fall. Reporter searchers are scouring parts of adirondacks in upstate new york. Its filled with hundreds of cabins. Investigators think the pair could be holed up in one of them or warn that they could invade a home and take hostages. Thats a big chance to take if you go in and you do that even if you leave, now youve set a footprint for the police to latch onto. Reporter at least one escape plan called for prison employee Joyce Mitchell to supply a getaway car. She told investigators that matt and sweat kept their destination vague. All shes told us to date, approximately seven hours away. No specified location. Reporter at an average of 60 Miles Per Hour tlekdhey could get more than 400 miles away putting cities like boston new york and philadelphia within reach. Small towns, people are very aware of what other people are doing. In a larger city people stop paying attention. Reporter now even new yorks governor has to admit the trail has gone cold. We dont know if they are still in the immediate area or if they are in mexico by now. Reporter and mexico about 2,000 miles away, could be a real possibility. In 1997 matt brutally murdered a man near buffalo, new york back then he fled to mexico and killed another man before being captured. You cant sustain this type of a manhunt for very long. Its just too much of a vacuum of all of the resources. Reporter at this hour all of those resources right now still working around the clock now as we continue with day 11 of this manhunt. The reality is investigators still have absolutely no idea where this very dangerous duo could be. Unbelievable. I want to delve a little bit into the investigation. The attorney for Lyle Mitchell Joyce Mitchells husband, Lyle Mitchell says he was completely unaware of the escape plans and an alleged plot to kill him. But sources tell cnn something different. Tell me more about that. Reporter yeah that source telling cnn that if lyle did in fact have knowledge of this escape plan, it was because his wife joyce, whos currently behind bars actually warned him that these very dangerous individuals would go after him. We still dont know why that could be. But thats why investigators believe that he could have had knowledge. But it boils down to either joyce or lyle actually told investigators about this ongoing plan for matt and sweat to escape so they could possibly be a route that prosecutors will take as they consider more charges against mitchell or possibly her husband. Polo sandoval, thanks so much. Investigators say at some point mitchell may have been forced to cooperate in the escape plan that the inmates manipulated her until they had the upper hand. Thats not at all uncommon. Being locked up provides a lot of time for shrewd criminals to target an employee and wear down their defenses. My next guest wrote the book the art of the con, and its considered by some to be the bible for new Corrections Officers and for good reason. Gary cornelius worked 27 years inside the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center in virginia. He joins me now. Welcome, sir. Morning, carol. This doesnt at all surprise you, this possible scenario being laid out by investigators surrounding the mitchells . No it doesnt because if you work in a prison or a jail and after the first few months that youre there and youre dealing with offenders, you learn i learned and people asked me when i retired, what did you learn . And i said nothing surprises me. And the second thing i learned is desperate people do desperate things. They had a lot of time to think this up. They targeted her and they looked for a weakness. And this is probably one of the more classic cases of manipulation. However, she did make the choice allegedly make the choice to help them. Thats what shes charged with. Even though that you were targeted by yes, maam . But is it possible that, allegedly she had a sexual affair with one of these inmates for more than a area and some kind of a relationship with another one. Her husband worked in the same department she did. Police hinted he may somehow be involved in this and he is supporting his wife at the moment despite the fact she supposedly had a sexual relationship with these inmates. It just seems so tawdry and awful. It does. I cant speak on the investigation. I dont know all the facts. But these affairs, they start out small. They start out with a note. They start out with flirtations and then it builds and builds and builds and then the inmate and the staff member try to keep it secret. I dont know what she reportedly or allegedly told her husband. But i feel that they picked her for a reason. And the ultimate prize was to get out. So they saw something in her the way she did her job, the way maybe she couldnt say no. Maybe she liked the attention. I dont know. But they saw something that led to them targeting her. As far as i know investigators are probably interrogating inmates right now at the correctional center. Yes. Its tough to get inmates to tell on a fellow inmate who has escaped. But certainly they must have information because to facilitate this escape it must have taken place over months and months. How do you get inmates to talk if youre an investigator . Probably they might offer them some type of concession. Im not sure. Some inmates they could find notes, they could find other pieces of contraband letters, whatever inmates are not known to cooperate with staff and so forth. I cant really comment on that. Inmates are usually closedmouth. They do not want to help staff. Its in the inmate code not to help c. O. S. But if a c. O. Knows an inmate well enough veteran investigators could get something out of him. The inmates are a wealth of information. Inmates have a sense of bravado, too. They like to boast and brag. Its possible that things were said here and there. And if an officer, investigator has a good confidential informant, they might find out some things. That would be an interesting part of the investigation. Absolutely. Gary cornelius, thank you for your insight. Still to come in the newsroom, Rachel Dolezal talking about her racial identity. But is it helping to end the controversy surrounding her . I bet not. So this beauty can be yours with a down payment and 10 financing. Oh larry, lawrence. Thanks to the tools and help at experian. Com, i know i have a 798 fico score. [score alert text sound] [score alert text sound] oh. Thats the sound of my Interest Rate going down. According to this score alert, my fico score just went up to 816. 816. 816 816 fico scores are used in 90 of credit decisions. So get your credit swagger on. Go to experian. Com become a member of experian credit tracker and take charge of your score. 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Some hail dolezal for her work with Racial Justice but others do not stand behind her because shes lying and that includes montel williams. We in a society really have to stop making excuses and coming up with all kinds of discussions for one thing alone. Its called a liar. Anytime she wants to take off that tan and straighten that hair she can stop identifying and believe me the pain of all the years it took to earn the right to wear that hair, she hasnt earned it. Many on social media reiterating his sentiment saying they feel the interviewers went too easy on dolezal. Lets talk about all of it. Im joined by Brian Stelter and psychologist jeff gardere. Not everybody was happy with matt lauers interview with Rachel Dolezal and certainly not happy with msnbcs interview. And matt lauer has a reputation for being one of the best interviewers in the business and usually does not go easy on people. But in this case there was a lot of criticism of all aft nbc interviews. There were four of them all in a row with different interviewers. We heard a lot from rachel for the first time. It was very useful. But we didnt hear enough about some of the strange allegations and accusations around this case. Saying shes a victim of hate crimes and things like that. There are some important things we need to hear from her sometimes in these case interviewers have to go a little soft on their guest because its hard to get the interview. Its an awkward push and pull that happens in television. But once theyre in the chair, you should hold them accountable in some form. Department see didnt see enough of that yesterday. She said when she was 4 years old, she colored herself with a brown crayon instead of a peach crayon. Are 5yearolds aware of their race at that age . Its a very long process. Its not until youre 10 11, 12 that you have a firm concept as to what race means and what you mean to your particular race or to your parents. But i think one of the reasons the interviewers have gone soft on her, i think as much as we ridicule her and people are becoming very angry with her, especially in the africanamerican community, claiming this mantle of having the black experience is quite frankly people feel sorry for her. They realize or they suspect theres something going on as far as psychodynamics. Theres something going on with this family. Some have used the word crazy. I would never use that as a clinical psychologist. But i do expect ive never examined her that this is a person whos had some very severe emotional difficulties. Shes even said being africanamerican or identifying as africanamerican is part of her journey but at the same time its also part of her survival. For me that tells me that this may be more of a coping mechanism being part of africanamerican society in thinking and identify. I do find it unusual just as a human being that her family has agreed to so many interviews just calling her a liar. Right. Its true. She is a liar. But im trying to put myself into her brothers place, right . Would i go on television and dis my brother if he did something terrible . I dont think i would. I sure hope i wouldnt. I dont think i would. To your point, about this empathy is critical even when were watching an interview and we want the questions to be a lot tougher and the answers to be a lot sharper. Empathy is critical in a story like this. Some people on twitter said maybe we should go easy on her because something bigger is going on. There are rumors about a reality show offer. Maybe thats the last thing that would be right in this case. I think at this point rachel needs to hunker down and work on her own issues and as well the family need to come together and instead of playing this out in a public forum, they need to sit down with one another because there is a lot of hurt in this family. And i think what rachel is going through at this particular time is an accumulation of things that may have happened in this family. Of course we dont know for sure. I see a lot of mean tweets coming your way, dr. Jeff. Lets hope not. Thank you both so much. Still to come in the newsroom, primary shuffle. Surprising new polls on the 2016 president ial election. Hillary clinton, is she losing her lead . Well talk about that next. When broker chris hill stays at laquinta and fires up free wifi, with a network thats now up to 5 times faster than before you know what he can do . Lets see if hes ready. He can swim with the sharks book your next stay at lq. Com a busy day on capitol hill this morning. This is a live look into the House Foreign Affairs committee which is holding a hearing on chemical weapons attacks in syria under the assad regime. You see the testimony right now. Russia says its being provoked into an arms race by the west. Now Vladimir Putin says hes beefing up russias Nuclear Stockpile in response saying his country will add 40 Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles to its arsenal by years e nato calls it destabilizing and dangerous. Brian todd has more for you. Reporter a dramatic amphibious landing, a u. S. Navy hovercraft collides onto the beach. Troops storm ashore and fire their weapons. This is a nato landing exercise in sweden. Further south, soldiersov througdeployed from helicopters. These are u. S. And nato troops battletesting themselves as a possible confrontation with russia looms in eastern europe. My big worry is the possibility of accident miscalculation when you have military forces operating close proximity. Reporter the pentagon is considering sending hundreds of tanks, artillery and other weapons to Vladimir Putins doorstep to the baltic nations and elsewhere in eastern europe. A u. S. Defense official tells cnn it will be enough to outfit a brigade, up to 5,500 troops. The soldiers themselves wont be permanently stationed there but the equipment will be there to use in these kinds of training exercises. Its prompted a warning from russia its Foreign Ministry saying this could slide into a new military confrontation with destructive consequences. Putin has Just Announced hes adding over 40 new Ballistic Missiles to his nuclear arsenal. Translator if someone threatens some of our territories, we will have to aim our armed forces modern attack capabilities at those territories which threaten us. What else can we do . Reporter as both sides build up their forces its putting the region on edge. Given the tempo of Russian Military operations over the last year you have more of those interactions, more possibilities for things to go wrong. Reporter putins jets have played dangerous cold war style games with western forces recently. One jet flying within ten feet of a u. S. Aircraft. Coming off an escalation of fighting in ukraine between prorussian separatists and Ukrainian Forces and putins aggressive deployment of weapons into ukraine, the baltic countries, nato allies of the Unit

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