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CNNW CNN Newsroom With Fredricka Whitfield August 4, 2018 17:00:00

Is as well. And cnn politics reporter to koppen. Former business partner, manafort, rick gates maybe called this week. He is considered a star witness. In exchange for his guilty plea. What is to be expected from him . Yes, thats right, fred. I mean, in many ways, this is sort of what everyone has been waiting for the trial to build up to. He was the man who is sort of on the inside so to speak on all of these different pieces of the puzzle that have been being put together by this testimony from, you know, from accountants, from the various sort of external factors in manaforts world. But this is the man who was, you know, supposedly according to prosecutors side by side with manafort as much as this went down and may be the one to testify, you know, exactly what he was thinking and doing and intending, which is so important when youre building this criminal case. You know, he also is sort of the connection to trump world. That we havent seen as much. And thats what has to be what people wonder. Right. Is it going to this kind of dialogue or examination of rick gates strictly on the bank, you know, fraud charges similar to what the accountant testified or might there be some surprise questions as it relates to dealings within the campaign as campaign manager. Thats the big question. We havent heard a lot of trump at all during the trial. In fact, it has been almost exclusively about manaforts livish lifestyle and the various ways they say he defrauded the bank. That is the big question on everyones lips. This obviously is connected with the special counsels investigation with mueller. Everyones wondering, is there going to be a tempt to tie this back to the campaign or are they going to stick solely to What Manafort was up to sort of on his own . We know prosecutors do plan to show evidence that manaforts lawyer, you know, said that rick gates was not involved with certain bank records, potentially undercutting the defenses theory that gates was calling the shots. So this is really an issue of credibility, is it not . Credibility for manafort, credibility for rick gates. Even credibility, you know, for donald trump, simply because these were people in his orbit. Absolutely. Thats the ongoing story with this investigation. Where different sides are challenging the credibility of each player. And manafort is a very important part of the Trump Campaign. And what were learning from the trial is who he was before the campaign, the kind of money he was making. And also his desperation some ways for money right at the time that he joined world of trump. So this is very crucial to the overall investigation in many ways. Challenging the credibility of those who are attacking him so to speak is very important. And, michael, while this case thus far, the way its been rolled out, be very embarrassing for manafort, you know, delving into the amount of money he made, how he spent it, his Fashion Sense and all that, but incriminating . Well, i think we have two trials going on here. Part one is the fraudulent tax returns when manafort was flush with money. Then part two is the bank fraud when the ukrainian money dries up and he has no way to support his lavish lifestyle so he starts defrauding doctoring files. Weve seen good evidence from accountants and others about each of those components. Well get from rick gates the conspiracy they engaged in. There are some nuggets here for manaforts lawyers to try to pin this all on gates. But i think overwhelmingly so far the evidence supports manafort knowingly engaging in tax fraud, failing to file reports and falsifying returns and then deceiving banks in order to obtain loans. All that is bad, but is that the pinnacle or is this the avenue, part of the journey in which to get somewhere even bigger . Well, i think that the hope of course for any prosecutor that tries a case of this sort is to obtain a conviction. Whether once a conviction is obtained they can say to foreign autocrats. Are we talking about the indictment of people surrounding donald trump in his orbit . Well, thats arguably one of the most interesting things about this case. As a lot of the people that ended up with the Trump Campaign very early on are not the type of people who are usually on the sort of front lines of politics today. Many of them had been doing things in washington for years that were sort of escaping notice. They sort of hitched their wagon to trump. And then he won. And all of a sudden there was a level of scrutiny on many of these people that they were perhaps not necessarily anticipating. It is calling into question how much of this is happening in washington more broadly. Theres so much money that flows in washington. Theres so many people who sort of manage one Campaign Successfully and then move on to other things, lose that scrutiny, and so theres a lot of people watching this Trial Intently to see, you know, are there going to be consequences that go far beyond these individuals who got caught up in the trump circle and more broadly move on to washington. Julian, should the president be nervous about this . Because reportedly some of his aides are expressing he has been relatively nervous about this trial. Well, sure, if youre under this kind of investigation as the president of the United States for this long and with so many players now being swept up in it, it would be irrational not to be nervous. With someone like mueller looking into what you did and what youre doing, this is the natural state of a presidency being investigated. But dont forget, he will try to turn this to his advantage. He will go to the rally. He will say this is fake. He will say this is the victim. And by extension, so are his supporters. He will try to use this as his political advantage. In some respects for him, its worked. The question is does the investigation blow up that strategy at some point or does that not happen . Do you believe a verdict or could this be a buildup to more . If there is a conviction, it takes the wind out of the sails of the president s political rallying of this is a witch hunt and there is no there there. If, however, he doesnt get a conviction, then i think it feeds right into the narrative the president has been articulating on the Campaign Trial and that will be devastating in some respects for the prosecutors. Theres another trial coming i in d. C. Same actor, paul manafort, and it will start all over again in september. Thanks so much, julian, michael zelden, appreciate you all, thank you. 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No. No, this is about reaffirming the commitments that i made that im not implementing. This is, you know, pleasantries that are being exchanged. The u. S. Wants to see actions. The u. S. Wants to see the north koreans agree to a date for talks. For denuclearization. For steps that theyre taking. And the u. S. Cant get the north koreans to sit down. You heard that meeting in singapore between the two leaders was initially about . Or was that just a break bread moment . It was a break bread moment. The secretary said we should talk and the north Korean Foreign minister said yes, we should. So the north the u. S. Wants to have a time line and, you know, specific steps that the north koreans are taking and thats just not happening. Secretary pompeo said earlier this week that north korea is going to be setting the pace of this denuclearization. Its certainly not happening as fast enough as President Trump this is kind of the shuttle diplomacy. Secretary of state is going to be that conduit perhaps to help keep some kind of dialogue going or try to nail down some sort of commitment to bring credence to what the president said after the meeting which is denuclearize and mission accomplished. Well, its good to have this dialogue, but i think whats frustrating u. S. Officials is, its actually going in the opposite direction. You saw this u. N. Report on friday that said north korea is trying still trying to Procure Parts and things to keep its Nuclear Program going. And it also is evading sanctions. And some of these countries are also, you know, helping north korea Bust Sanctions as well. Yes, the tenor and the tone is much better than it was a year ago with all this fire and fury, but in actuallity, were not seeing any steps on the ground, and its quite frustrating for u. S. Officials that thought, you know, certainly President Trump who had hoped that this things were going to be in a new era. 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According to a court filing, the nra says it could soon be, quote, unable to exist or pursue its advocacy mission. End quote. All because of a legal battle in new york. Cnns Palo Sandoval is following the story for us. What can you tell us . Lets remember how we got here. Governor cuomo and the nra has constantly crashed on the issue of gun control. In may, this constant disagreement ended up in Federal Court with a civil suit. The nra sued Governor Cuomo and also a state insurance regulating agency, accusing them of black listing this Gun Lobby Group and members, keeping them from securing various Banking Services and also Insurance Policies as well. Late last month, that lawsuit presented by the nra was why the nra claiming that they are beginning to feel the financial effects, again, according to the group, of being socalled black listed, inlewdi including tens millions of dollar. The lawsuit claims they could potentially be unable to exist as a nonprofit as well. This week, a response from Governor Cuomo and also the state of new york or at least that agency saying they had investigated the illegal sale of Insurance Policies that were marketed as or at least through the nra and also theyre moving to have this lawsuit dismissed, calling it a distraction, fred. So whats the response coming from Governor Cuomo . We saw a response from the governor on twitter just yesterday. A short but powerful tweet. If i could have put the nra out of business, i would have done it 20 years ago. Ill see you in court. The governor standing by his defense as the nra and its attorneys continue to keep both him and the State Regulating Agency in their sights. This very lengthy and pretty dramatic litigation. Polo sandoval, thanks. President Trump Tweeting that Jeff Sessions should stop the russia investigation. Was that an attempt to obstruct justice . It depends on who you ask. Who legal experts are joining us next. This is a story about mail and packages. 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