Have cooperated extensively and providing as much as 30 hours of testimony. And giuliani said that he was encouraged to interview, and the white house knows exactly what he said. The president encouraged him to testify. He is happy that he did. Yeah. He is quite secure that there is nothing in the testimony that will hurt the president , and john dowd told you that when he said that he was a strong witness for the president. The president meantime is lashing out comparing the probe to mccarthyism and tweeting today that the failing New York Times wrote a fake piece today implying that because the White House Counsel Don Mcgahn was giving hours of testimony to the special counsel he must be a john deantype rat, but i allowed him and others to testify. I didnt have to, because i have nothing to hide. Ryan nobles is joining us now from brooklyn heights, new jersey, where the president has been for the weekend, but again, he is op on the way to the washington, momentarily, and so, ryan, Rudy Giuliani says that he has a pretty good feeling about what don mcgahn would have said, but, do they know specifically what he said and what the q a was like . Yeah, i mean, that is a big question right now, fred. We know that don mcgahn spent an exes tensive amount of time with the special counsel and more than 30 hours over three different occasions around we know that don mcgahn has been around the president at these key moments of interest of the special counsel and the president and the white house are insistent that it is okay, and they are the oneses who gave him the right and the ability to go to have this conversation with the special counsel, and they also were the ones who told him it was okay to waive Attorney Client privilege which allowed him to say whatever he knew about the interactions over the past year and half, but what is interesting about all of this is that it is not abundantly clear that the white house knows exactly what dan mcgahn told Robert Mueller. This is what Rudy Giuliani said when he was pressed on meet the press. We have a good sense of what he testified to how do you say that good sense . Have you debriefed him . No, but mr. Dowd does, because he talked to them at the the time. And you dont know what mr. Mcgahn, 100 of what he testified to mr. Mueller . I think that through, through john dowd we have a good sense of it, and john dowd yesterday said, and i will use his words rather than mine that the mcgahn was a strong witness for the president , and i dont need to nknow much more about that. But what the white house has not really responded to was the assertion in the New York Times report that when don mcgahn learned of the counsel for the president , his private attorney suggesting that he meet with the special kocounsel and that he was concerned that perhaps he was being setup, and this is a way for them to perhaps put him on the hook for any obstruction of Justice Charges that the special counsel discovered and that is when he got his own personal attorney and advised by his own personal attorney to handle the situation, and don mcgahns personal attorney has been clear this weekend, he did not go into the interviews with the goal of providing incriminating information, but no doubt he has been a corroborating witness, and the attorney for don mcgahn has said that he was very honest as anyone should be when talking to a federal investigator. So of course, fred, this is back to the original question, what exactly did don mcgahn tell the special counsel . It seems that the only operson who knows it for sure is Robert Mueller. Thank you, robert nobles. And Rudy Giuliani also said that the et meeting was of no consequence and could not result in charges against the president. If someone says i have information about your opponent, you would take that meeting from the russian government . She didnt represent the russian government. She is a private citizen, and i dont know even know that they knew she was russian at the time. I think they knew she was russi russian. When theyt met with her, but not when they set up the the meeting. You asked me if they showed an intention to do anything with the russians. Well all they knew was that a woman with a russian name wanted to meet with them. They didnt know that she was a representative of the russian government, and indeed, she not a representative of the russian government. And of course o, we kn, we k is not true, because we have the email from don jr. Who proves it otherwise. And Rob Goldstein said that the crown pros ecutor of russia met with his father this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump Campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate hillary and her dealings with russia, and would be useful and sensitive to russia and the Government Support for mr. Trump. Donald trump jr. Then responds if it is what you say, i love it, especially later in the summer. I want to bring in jamil jafr the former white house koun snell the george bush adm administration, and mr. Neftali, thank you. And so, there is no negative inference from it, and what should the white house be worried about . He is speaking on a regular basis about what the president was doing or the Vice President was doing. He waived the executive privilege and gave him time to talk and more conversations to be provided or advice and now that don mcgahn has gone and said everything that he knows, because that is what the president told him to do and the president is in a situation where the stories varies from don mcgahn and he goes to testify that is a real problem for the prosecutor because nothing a is at stake there. And you are looking at marine one with the president and first lady to leave new jersey bearing President Trumps name. And so the personal president of donald trump Julie Giuliani says that he has a good idea of what don mcgahn would say, and on that q a of meet the press it does not seem that Rudy Giuliani has heard from don mcgahn what the questions were or what information he would have given, but clearly don mcgahn is protecting himself by having his own attorney with him. He is a witness in this exchange with this special counsel. How concerning should the white house be . Well, the first thing that the white house should be concerned about is that mr. Mcsgan the lawyer f mcgahn is for the office of the presidency, and not donald trump personally, and so we of course believe he is telling the truth and his answers are in support of the countrys presidency, and so it is possible that he is going to give information that provides the special pros ecuto with more about mr. Trumps behavior. And mr. Mcgahn may not have gone in to incriminate donald trump, because he was not with him through the campaign and he does not know every associate of donald trumps. And it is interesting that giuliani would say that it is his belief that don mcgahn would be a strong witness for the president. Fred, fred, i have to say that during the watergate period, the white house, and this is the Richard Nixon white house made the same claim, because what is the al tern tte . You cant have giuliani Going Forward to say, we are worried, even if they are, they cant say it publicly. But i guess worry sounds like that is the sentiment, jamil that is coming from the president when he tweets a reference to the Nixon Administration attorney john dean and calling him a rat almost says that, you know, maybe a warning to don mcgahn that, you know, you should only say but so much. What do you interpret from that coming from the president today . Well, fredricka, it is hard to know what the president is thinking when he puts the tweets out there. And on one hand, he is admitting that i pulled don mcgahn to the tell the truth and the whole truth and if the president s story varies at all from don mcgahns, that is a problem for him and talking about john dean and others with a parallel to nixon and why does he do that . It is inexplicable and he needs to get off of twitter right away and listen to lawyers and stop talking about the investigation, and going after Robert Mueller and Jeff Sessions and anybody else, and anybody working for the president has to think that this is a train wreck. And there is baron, and we have not seen him a long time, and the first family there, you know, getting off of marine one on the way now to air force one as they are still in new jersey and ending the weekend there. Any chance we might be able to hear anything . All right, no. But if anything is going to be said, we will have to rewrack it and bring it to you, and you can see them waving there, and the white house, perhaps it is trying to look like it is not worried at all and calm and cool and collected by all of this, and especially hearing from Rudy Giuliani today, and if you are don mcgahn, while you have gotten the green house from the white house to do this interview, and now, there is that New York Times report to say, yes, it is 30 hours of interviewing over the nine months period, what is that like for don mcgahn to go back to work as the white house counsel, and would he share the testimony . Would he be mum on it . What is this going to be like for him . Id leave it to to a lawyer to determine whether he should share it, but, look, one thing that is really interesting about this particular story is that when john dean cocan oper coope the investigators he was looking for immunity and on the way out. And presumably mr. Mcgahn is not looking for immunity and planning to be the lawyer for the office of the president. He is a pro. He is a professional. That is his job. His job is to answer questions to defend the presidency. Not necessarily to defend the president. And that is where the challenge is. Because frankly, mr. Trump, President Trump is not accustomed to having people around him whose job it is to protect the institution and rather than the person. Right, and jamil, so why would he have his own attorney present . Well, phil burke is a very bright guy and been through other investigation, and he is providing the best advice he can for his client, and unlike the president , i bet that he is taking bill burkes advice. Thank you, both. Thank you. 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Here come the name calling, the loud mouthed political hack is how the president is calling john brennan this weekend and now the white house has a new defense to strip his security clearance. Brennans access was revocced after the white house said that he used highly Sensitive Information to use a series of outrageous allegations, and today, the National Security advi adviser john bolton tried to clarify the statement. It is my view at the time that he and others in the Obama Administration were politicizing intelligence and that is a dangerous thing to do, and especially for senior officials the do, and senior officials to do to keep the wall between intelligence and policy, and number of people have commented that he couldnt be in the position that he is in of criticizing President Trump and his socalled collusion with russia, unless he did use classified information. But brennan is not going to remain kquiet on n and today, h defended his criticisms from the president and he said that the two sides could square off in court. I have been contacted by a number of lawyers, and they have already given me their thoughts about the baysition for a complaint, injunction, to try to prevent him from doing it in the future. If my clearances and my reputation as i am being pulled through the mud now, and if that is the price that the we are going to pay to prevent donald trump from doing this gaiagains other people, and to me, it is a small price to pay. So i will do whatever i can personally to try to prevent these abuses in the future. And if it means to go to court, i will do that. All right. Here with me, cnn political and National Security analyst and National Security correspondent for the New York Times david sanger and cnn National Security analyst elli ackerman, and so is this the right track for him . Well, the president has the authority to take away any security that he wants, but i found mr. Boltons statement mystifying, because once an official like mr. Brennan is no longer the director of the cia, i dont see why he would be in a different position about policy position or issuing critiques to the president than any other american citizen as long as he did not reveal classified information that he could obtain on the time that he was on a job, and the position that mr. Bolton was taking was that he had to remain an analyst after he had left the cia. I find that not only mystifying, but something that few previous cia drirectors have been abidin by. And elliott, the president s lawyer Rudy Giuliani made the case to remove brennans security clearance and this is how he put it. Brennan made the extraordinary charge that the president was treasonous, and i commend you for the questioning that he has no information that the president is guilty of conspiracy. Well, i mean, it is just conjecture that this man accuses people of a crime that could carry death as the result. It is a highly charged word. Unhinged character who shouldnt have a security clearance. And elliott, brennan is still respected still in the Intelligence Community, and now to have the word unhinged associated with him, and how might this potentially backfire for the white house . Well, i think that what we are going to basically see is a continued titfortat for particularly the former director brennan take s it to court, but failing to see the forest for the trees. What is most concerning is that you are seeing the politicization of our intelligence is services, and some day, we, the american people, are going to need those Intelligence Services to work for us again, and we are going to need to believe that they can impartially speak truth to power, and the longer this goes on with both sides and with President Trump and brennan, and i would say to blame is to become less and less likely that the Intelligence Services can can get out of the other end to have once again the credible impartial voice that is essential to defending the country. And david, Something Like upwards to 60 members of the Intel Committee who said add me to the list, and you can revoke my clearance, too, if it means be being in solidarity with john brennan and others, but if they are called upon, and any number of those people are called upon by any of the intelligence communities under this administration, do you see them as saying no, they would not be consulted . They would not allow their expertise to be used to help the Intelligence Community right now . I dont see that. I imagine that they would allow their expertise to be used, but the question is if the Intelligence Community would share with them information that they would need for an informed opinion. But that 60 numbers is remarkable. Think about a couple of summers ago when you saw the National Security officials writing a letter to oppose the endorsement of, including most of the republicans who said they would not serve in the administration and not a huge amount of overlap of that group antitrump starting in the campaign in 2016 and this group. It is telling you u that the president has managed to alienate intelligence professionals and many of whom probably i think that they were perfectly happy to see him take office or believe that he might be on the way to improving things. So it is going to tell you how much the president has managed to politicize the issues in these times, and it is not the first time that the president has politicized intelligence, but the question came up in the runup to the iraq war. All right. We will leave it right there. David sanger and elliott ackerman, thank you, both. We appreciate it. Straight ahead, another white house exit. And this time, it is a speechwriter leaving after it was discovered that he went to conferences and gatherings for White Nationalists. More details next. But theyre. Its nice to remove artificial ingredients. Kind never had to. We choose real ingredients like almonds, peanuts and a drizzle of dark chocolate. Find your favorite and give kind® a try. Let your perfect drive come together at the lincoln summer invitation sales event. Get 0 apr on select 2018 lincoln models plus 1,000 bonus cash. To put on our website . I mean i wo