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CNNW CNN Newsroom With Fredricka Whitfield April 20, 2019

Washington. The department of justice already pushing back on this subpoena from democrats. What more can you tell us about where things stand . Reporter thats right. Theres a stand off between the hill and the department of justice. Lawmakers saying they want the full unredacted version of the report and all underlying documents to conduct their own investigation. Thats the first step before they would consider moving forward on impeachment proceedings and we hear from the house leader, nancy pelosi, trying to give a sense of caution, not to jump the gun and rush toward impeachment. The democrats do want this information. They subpoenaed, on friday, the department of justice for that information. The doj is pushing back. They issued a statement which they say in the issue of transparency t attorney general released the confidential report with only minimal redactions. The department of justice made arrangements for chairman nadler and others to review the report with fewer redactions. In light of this, the subpoena is premature and unnecessary. The department will continue to work with congress to accommodate the requests consistent with the law and long recognized executive branch interest. Chairman nadler is jerry nadler, who issued the subpoena. If they are unable to reach an agreement between the democrats and the department of justice, it is likely this could end up in court. Fred . In your article out titled post white house criminal exposure for trump what can you tell us about those possibilities . Fred, when Robert Mueller issued the report, he said because of department of justice guidelines, procolludes them from indicting a sitting president. They didnt answer that question, yes or no. Interestingly, he included in the explanation the notes that the president does not have immunity after he leaves office and went on to say they conducted this factual down the road, the president could be investigated for it and prosecuted for it. Its not the only legal, criminal hurdle around the president. He was implicated by the u. S. Attorneys office in new york as part of the hush money Payment Scheme that Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to. Prosecutors identified trump as individual one who ordered him to make the payments. One prosecutor who i spoke with who is no longer a prosecutor said its possible someone down the road could pick it up, but unlikely because of the political challenges of that and the passage of time. One thing is for sure, the president s best defense is win reelection and run out the clock on the statute of limitations. What is the statute of limitations . Under the charges that could be on the table, if it was obstruction of jous tustice, fi years. That clock starts ticking from the date that one of these acts occurred. That spans from the payments in 2016 to these potentially obstructive acts until 2018. You can see how that would extend, you know, after this election cycle, but if the president were to rewin and stay in Office Another four years, he is outside that range. With the statute running out in 21. All right, thank you so much, appreciate it. Now to the president s latest reversal on the Mueller Report after first praising the report as total vindication and saying Robert Mueller acted honorably, the president is changing his tune, describing mueller as highly conflicted now. Sarah westwood is in West Palm Beach near where the president is spending easter weekend with his family at the florida resort. Sarah, whats behind this about face . Reporter fred, we know that the president is unhappy with the way that him and his white house was depicted in the Mueller Report. We know he isdishonest leader, leading a chaotic white house. According to mueller, some of the aides who received directives from him, including don mcgahn ignored the orders. Thats someone like President Trump who likes to exerty with portrayal. The russia investigation is over, on twitter, since the report came out, the president has been lashing out at the russia probe and at special counsel Robert Mueller. He hasnt said a lot to the cameras, but has been active on social media. He took to twitter to write, despite the fact it should not have been authorized in the first place and written as nastily as possible, the team was bias, the end result is no collusion, no obstruction. He took to twitter to do what some people consider a swipe at mcgahn when he accused people of producing notes that never existed before they needed to. Theres a specific instance in the Mueller Report where President Trump chastises the former white House Counsel for taking notes. He said good lawyers dont take notes. In june, 2017, according to mueller, President Trump instructed mcgahn to essentially get rid of special counsel Robert Mueller. He ignored the directive. In january, 2018, when the New York Times reported the previous episode, mcgahn denial fact President Trump was urging them to say its not true. A lot is directed at don mcgahn and the former aides who cooperated with the special counsel, even though it was the orders of the president s legal team at the time. Hes letting frustration out on twitter, fred, but we havent seen him speak directly to the cameras since thursday. Thank you so much. Joining me to discuss this, retired fbi special agent, james, legal analyst, jennifer and writer for politico, gabby. Nice to see you all. Gabby, you first. What do you make of this messaging from the white house . Clearly, the president is trying to build out a messaging narrative around the findings in this report that he can use as he launches into the 2020 campaign. We are not really seeing a major difference in what he was saying before the report was made public last week and what he was saying over the course of the investigation. Hes continued to remind americans that this investigation was led by ha he believes were people with biases against him. He continues to say this was a waste of taxpayer money, this went on too long. I mean, hes returning to a lot of the same talking points he used, tweeted during the course of this to your investigation and, you know, what we are hearing from white house sources and people on the Trump Campaign is they are going to focus on bringing the president into a lot of states that he won in 2016, but where there are freshman democrats who are in districts that are walking a fine line in how they respond to the report. They are going to bring him in. Hes going to hold rallies and play up the fact he thinks this is a total exoneration of him. In the backyard of the vulnerable freshmen democrats who dont know, quite yet, how to respond to the mueller findings. Trying to up stage those moments. So, jennifer, the Justice Department, it is pushing back on this subpoena request, you know, from jerry nadler and democrats overall. How might this kind of legal battle play out if it gets to that . Well, i think the dems have the better of the legal argument here. Its one thing to say we havent given you all we are going give you, lets wait and see if we can come to an agreement. Its clear by the department of justice, they are not going to release an unredacted version of the report. Thats a final answer. The dems are going to go to court. They have the better end of the legal battle. Theres a running out of the clock aspect of this litigation. By cnns investigation in this report, Mueller Report, 8 of the report is redacted. Mostly for the reason of ongoing, you know, investigations. So, james, what does that tell you . We already know from the Mueller Report theres 14 jurisdictions who received referrals to pick up their investigations where this report leaves. So, where do you see these investigations potentially going . Sure, fred. First of all, its been a long slog, 675 days. Jennifer can speak to this, too. Thats generally the length of federal investigations. They generally last two years. In this instance, we have a 448 page report. We know there were some 900 redactions counted by the network and 1600 lines that were blocked out. Now, look, generally speaking, the grand jury material is protected. They have privacy so when they give their testimony, its protected unless theres circumstances that lead you elsewhere. In this instance, a number of ongoing investigations. You mentioned the 14 referrals, 12 we didnt know about before the release. Im certain they want to protect that. Im comfortable with it being released unredacted to the gang of eight, not all of congress. Im sure people have differing opinions on that. Gabby, you know this investigation was two years. You know, some members of the house are happy they got the redacted version, but that doesnt stop so many committees from launching their own investigations. You have judiciary, you know, you have house intelligence committee, oversight, ways and means. You know, is this really about transparency . Is that what the goal is . Or is it really in the pursuit of censure or Something Else . Its a good question. A lot of House Democrats are keen on figuring out ha the redactions meant and the actions that President Trump may have asked officials, aides to pursue that were redacted in the report. They want clarity on that. Theres a reason many, Many Democrats in the house of representatives are asking for the unredacted version to continue the investigations and drive closer to figuring out what some of those things are. On the other hand, you have Democratic Leaders who are treading very carefully. If you watch the language used in the wake of the report, if you look at how they responded to the progressive members calling for impeachment proceedings from President Trump, House Speaker nancy pelosi, House Majority leader hoyer saying proceed carefully. They are trying to gauge the voters . They are not sure where the American People are on this or primarily thinking how it potentially influences 2020 . Its probably a mix of both. If you look at public opinion, theres a large swath of voters who want everybody to move on. Others want the Oversight Committee and a lot of tools in the house of representatives to continue this Investigative Approach to the president and look beyond what was found in the Mueller Report. His financial dealings. Things that werent necessarily addressed in this 448 page report. They are trying to figure out how to walk that line and respond to both of those groups of democratic voters. Mueller is letting the report speak for itself. Hes been quiet throughout the entire investigation and post game now. Democrats are calling on mueller to publicly testify before congress. Will this be reluctantly that he appears or, you know, is he eager to set the record straight, do you think . Well, its hard to say, but from what folks say about mueller who worked with him and what we have seen from him during the course of the investigation, i think he will be reluctant to go beyond what he said in the report. He may fill in a little about how they got there and the process, but i think hes probably someone who wants to let the work speak for itself. So, you know, i actually think it would be illuminating if he would go into his thoughts of how bill barr represented his work and what the president has been saying. I suspect we wont do that. James, as everyone pours through the more than 400 pages, when you look at the conclusions or details of the discoveries, are you, you know, impressed by what you see . Do you feel like this was a, you know, honest, thorough, investigation . I do, fred. You and i have had conversations before under director mueller. I served under him 12 years half of my career. I did not agree with everything he did. I agree with jennifer. He is going to be red sent to go public on this. Let the work speak for itself. The most confounding thing for me, i thought he called it straight up on obstruction, he did on the collusion, but not the obstruction of justice. He laid out ten incidents, walked up to the line, talked about how congress could view it you dont think its because he knew he couldnt indict a president . So, giving this information to congress saying you do what you think is appropriate . Yes. I really cant because of the Justice Department policy. 100 spot on. Why not point it back to barr and inspector general. We found they are indictable, but cannot indict. Some think its his humility that hes going to leave it to congress and to the political process, if it needs to go there. James, jennifer, gabby, thanks to all of you, appreciate it. Still ahead, u. S. Attorney general, william barr is coming under fire for his handling of the Mueller Report. Why some House Democrats are calling on him to resign. Just like any other family the house, kids, theyre living the dream and here comes the wacky new maid maid . Uh, im not the. Is she an alien, is she a spy . 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What do you know about why the zoo keeper was in the same space or what is, you know, the routine, if its feeding time, you know, is it removing the tiger, you know, from the location where, you know, a zoo keeper might come in . What do you know about the circumstances . What brought the zoo keeper in the same space as the tiger . We dont know right now. Thats something we are evaluating and trying to figure out. It happened not long ago so we are talking with staff and trying to figure out what happened. Okay. I understand there were people who witnessed it. What can you tell me about that . Were they people who worked there or visitors of the zoo . The zoo was open at that time, so some zoo visitors did witness the incident. At this point, thats all that i know. We are trying to gather more information right now. Can you tell me anything more about the zoo keeper . How long has she been there . How is she doing, most importantly, right now . What do you know about her . So, i dont want to give any personal information about her out right now. We do know that she is at the hospital and in stable condition. Okay. We are wishing her, of course, the best. We look forward to hearing more about how all of this happened. Molly hatfield, thank you so much. Shifting gears quite a bit, u. S. Attorney general william barr coming under fire after his generous summary of the Mueller Report. Barr spent much of his thursday press conference framing the special counsel report on the premise the findings were favorable to donald trump. Saying it found no wrong doing by the president. The white house fully cooperated with the special counsels investigation providing unfettered access to campaign and white house documents, directing senior aides to testify freely and asserting n

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