And today he railed against the results of the election. Meantime dr. Fauci says that he and attended a Task Force Meeting in the last few months. States announcing new restrictions as they try to contain the spread. On saturday, West Virginia and kentucky reporting their highest single day case counts since the start of the pandemic. New mexico and oregon orders new shutdowns. Colorado returning it highest ll of separation. And being instituted. This morning jake tapper spoke with dr. Fauci. 184,000 new cases on one day and it is getting worse. Other than wearing masks, washes hands and social distancing, what more do we need to be doing . Well, what we have to do is make what you just said is uniform. No excuse not to do it because we know that that can turn things around. I mean that is the tool we have. As i mentioned, there is good news with the vaccine and help is coming so that should motivate people to just say that well double down and did this uniformly. Those are the tools that we have and they do work. We can get there to plateau and come down. Obviously everybody is sensitive to what we call covid19 fatigue. Fatigue but we have to hang in there particularly in the Colder Weather at we get into the late fall and early winter months. Wri we have to get together on this jack o jack jake because we know that people can. And the university of washington model procejects tha the u. S. Will reach 439,000 deaths in the next four months. Is that really possible . It is possible and models are as good as youve put into the model. You have to say that well turn it around by vigorously adhering to the Public Health measures and we dont need to get to that numb. That is a model number if we abilities in a certain way. We can turn it around. And in fact well start gets vaccines for the highest priority individuals in date less and then into january, well got more. So vaccine plus strong measures, we dont have to accept the large nunls th s t numbers terrifying. I know you said that you dont think that the nationwide rockefeller cent rockefeller cent lockdown is nerks but do you think that local officials could issue new stayathome orders in discreet parts of the country . I think that will likely will happen if you dont turn around the surge. Youre right, we wont get a national lockdown. But i think that what well start seeing at the local level, be it governors or mayor, they will do as understand, very surgery cal type of restrictions which are functional quentd equ. And but if you put your foot on the pedal, you may need to take the step extra that you are talking about. And youve caused americans to consider canceling any thanksgiving plans that involve visiting with somebody else. I know a loft americans are looking ahead hoping to make plans for christmas. When do you think americans will be able to safely gather together for events like this . You know, it depends on a number of factors. For example, we have vaccines now, the first one that came out with highly effective, i anticipate that the second within likely will be compare only. And that is great. But we have to get people to take the vaccine. So if we get the overwhelming majority of people taking the majority and you have on the one hand and effective vaccine on the other hand a high degree of uptick of the track seen, vacci get back to relative normal the second and Third Quarter of the year where people can start thinking about doing things that were too dangerous months ago. But we cant just wish it happening. We have to get the vaccine, it has to be deployed and we cant abandon fundamental Public Health measures. You can approach normality but using what needs to get us back to normal. So christmas is probably not going to be possible. Yeah, well, you know, i think that if we get most of the country vaccinated in the second, Third Quarter of the year amnd people adhere to the fundament am measures, i think that we can it wonti be a light switch. It will be a gradual of more normality. President Trumps Administration is resfusing ref acknowledge reality including any trance signatures risition fighting the pandemic. How problematic is it if your sxernl experts cannot communicate with president elects team which has its own sxernt tease expertise pandemics . Ive been in multiple transitions now. And it is clear that that time, the period of measured in several weeks to months is really important in a smoolt handing over of the information as well as almost like passing the baton to a race. You dont want to stop. You want to keep going. So certainly would make things more smoothly in we could do that glp that. So it would be a good idea in your team would be able to work with the by deb haiden harris t . Yeah, of course. That is obvious. Of course it would be better if we could start working with them. When is the last time that President Trump attended a White House CoronavirusTask Force Meeting . It was months ago. But you know, when we have our task for the meeting, tuesday run by Vice President pence and the Vice President then translates then to the president position. But the last time the president was physically at a Task Force Meeting was several months ago. And biden has selected ron clay to ron klain to be chief of staff. What do you think of his choice for chief of staff . It is an excellent choice. I mean, i worked very closely with ron klain during the obama outbreak. They called it the czar i never liked that word. But he was terrific at the ebola situation where we had a very Successful End game with ebola. We developed therapies, we put out it was a terrible outbreak, but that is how i got it know ron. In january he wrote about what needed to be done when the impending crisis and the next month pick mull mivaul anyone a was saying that it was a hoekts. You dont have to comment on that. And the vaccine needs to kept cold and it will have two doses. But some are worry well hoverwh. If. And it will be a challenge. Frts i dont deal with the dts friday bul distributi distribution, but i hear that they need more resources to implement what has never been done before. But im optimistic that that will get done. As the Pfizer Vaccine been tested on kids . No, and this is not an unusual situation. Once you have a vaccine shown to be safe and effect tifd ive goo adult, you go back and do what is called bridging it, namely using the data to show that it is comparable response in children but safe. And children are vulnerable and you always have to make sure that you are dealing with a safe and effective vaccine before you even think about putting it into children. You want to get is it into children to get is it at quickly as you can, you dont quact wa deprive them, but you have to make sure that they are safe. That is standard. Wobls the proceonce the proc, does that mean that they can take off their masks and go about their lives as before . I would recommend that that is not the case. I would recommend that you have an added area of protection. Obviously with a 90 plus percent vaccine, you can feel more confident. But i would recommend to nabandn all measures because even for the general population it might be 90 percent effective, you dont node wh know know what it will be like for you. When i get vaccinated, i can feel more relaxed, but you i think abandoning it completely would not be a good idea. Because a 5 to 10 may still get the virus. I want to take you back to something that you said from the previous anchor of the show in 2014. Reflects on the fblact that you job is to deliver bad news i never had an experience that the president is telling me to tell him something he want to the hear. I guess you cant say that anymore. Welli i i i. Eye baefr ten willi ive been telling the facts and ive not held back. That has not changed. 24no, voes not but this is t only time that you have gotten into 409 water. You couldnt have to comments. But the United States has 4 of the worlds pop lagts. And roughly 20 prlg of the coronavirus cases and worlds coronavirus deaths. How do you think that history will remember the United States government response to this opponent over the pattern over the past year . Obviously not a good report. But i think that we need a real academic analysis of the multifaceted analysis that went into it and the nature of our country with 50 states that tend to want to do things a little bit differently with a country as great and phenomenal as it is that has a flare of independence that they dont like to be told what to do. So there is aed are a lot of things that will go into why we have such a high rate of infection and high rate of death. And i think that that will take serious examination before we really nail down what the totality of the cause of that is. It will be very complicated. Clear message there. The worst is yet to come. And with President Trump firmly against a peaceful transition, does it mean even more american lives are being put on the back burn he burner . The nation faces. And how former president obama weighing in on the state of the pandemic under president s leadership. I was not the person who in a white hous Briefing Room said i was repeating words that i heard. 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Adding to the crisis is a President Trump refusing to allow the biden Transition Access to critical access and information both of which are key to the fight against covid19. And joining me now is executive dean of emery school of medicine. Always good to see you. We look at what is staring us down right now. The next several weeks are critical. And in your estimation, what is the impact of the lack of access, how much could that hamper efforts to address the n epidem epidemic. Testimony coit will cost a l because we have nobody in charge. We dont have leadership right now. The Trump Administration has essentially closed the books and is waiting for the vaccine to come but it wont come fast enough. So we have to have a Transition Team that the task force start discussing things, start taking over. But one of the things that i think is very important, we also need to have institutions like the cdc step up to the plate. They have been silent and they need to Start Talking but the reality is what we have right now is a leadership vacuum. So if were in this leadership vacuum, were not hearing from the cdc and getting regular updates, the reality is that wont possibly change the next 60 some odd days. So what can happen in that interim . Well, i think what aar will happen, well be in the media coming out what we need to say which is do the things weve been telling you, we need people to wear their masks, watch their distance, limit gathering to no more than 10 individuals. We need to get more testing out there. And ifineffected, you need to isolate and stop going to bars and restaurants and churches. Because that is where ib feskss are happening. There was no national lockdown. There was never a national approach. The states have handled it in different ways as we know. I think there are maybe 35 states that have a mask mandate. The governor washington just a few months ago announcing more for his state. And dr. Fauci pointed to the fact that these localized measures can work to. But i wonder if well just looking at localize the measures. D does there need to be a uniform plan and could that make a difference . There needs to be a National Plan back in march when the president started the Coronavirus Task force. We needed a National Plan and states to all work together. We never had that. So now they need to come together and agree on the things that they all need to do together. And i think if the country rolls in the same direct, we can weather these times. And jake was asking about as we look back on how the country handled this, essentially what is the record card. I wonder if some officials based on what we see in terms of back loosh oi bash, is there ever receipt sebts to take stronger measures because they are concerned about the flare of independence, about the pushback from people who see smart Public Health measures on infringing on their independence . I think that there is no doubt about that, but the other thing that i will say is that the politicization of this pandemic, Public Health by nature is political but it hait never been partisan. This has been really bad. We all need to come together. And yes, independents and individualism is a characteristic of americans, so is the compassion. And just these are hard times and when you have 1,000 times or more dying per day, im so concerned that we are not seeing an outrage. I said this over and over. If you have two july 3w0e jet b jumbo jets falling from the sky, people would saying what is going on with the airlines. So we need to demand immediate action. 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