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CNNW CNN Newsroom With John Berman And Poppy Harlow May 22, 2018

Congress. What information . We know the socalled agreement came in a meeting between the president , the fbi chief Christopher Wray and Deputy Attorney general Rod Rosenstein and it followed the president s demand for a probe into whether the fbi surveyed his campaign. Kaitlan collins joins us at the white house. Reporter good morning. The white house does seem to have brokered some sort of agreement between top officials at the Justice Department and congressional leaders and now congressional leaders are going to be able to see some information related to the russia investigation. Now this comes after a meeting here at the white house yesterday that included the president , the chiefofstaff john kelly, the Deputy Attorney general Rod Rosenstein, the fbi director Christopher Wray and the director of National Intelligence dan coats. The outcome of that meeting, Sarah Huckabee sanders, the press secretaries announced is that john kelly is going to set up this meeting between the Justice Department and these congressional leaders so they can look at some information. Of course, all of that came after the president on twitter on sunday demanded that the department of justice look into whether his campaign was infiltrated or surveyed for political purposes. A statement and an allegation the president made without any proof or any corroboration. Now we are going to have this meeting. John kelly is going to set up. But there is still a lot of mystery surrounding this meeting regarding what information these leaders are going to be providing, whether or not theyll get their hands on documents, when this meeting is going to take place, whos going to be invited and where its even going to happen. Both sides seem to think that they have gotten the upper hand here and last night, Vice President mike pence billing this really as a success. Were very confident that as the Inspector General has been doing their work looking at the conduct of the fbi during that period that by adding their focus to this that well get to the bottom of it because the American People have a right to know. Now whats really at the root of all of this is a political fight over the russia investigation and the president wants the investigators themselves to be investigated. All of that comes as the president is scheduled to meet with the south korean president here at the white house today to discuss whether or not that potentially historic summit in singapore is even going to happen. Right now aides inside the white house seemed to have lost a lot of confidence in that, john and poppy. Thank you so much. Joining us now to go through all of this is laura coates and steve hall. Laura, let me begin with you. Its a stunning meeting between the president and the Deputy Attorney general whos overseeing the whole russia probe, the director of National Intelligence, Christopher Wray, the head of the fbi. Setting aside just how stunning the meeting itself was, do you think the steps that are being taken, the intelligence thats going to be shown to members of congress, the classified intelligence, does that help defuse a constitutional country size or does it enable it . I think it has the potential to diffuse it. Rod rosenstein is in a very precarious position. Its almost as if a rock and a hard place is really his existence. If he were not to turn it over to the remain and its more than a tradition especially if youre one the one were investigating or a member of your campaign, he would have had to leave and not be overseeing any longer the actual mueller probe. This is already in operation. It was already in existence and, by the way, there is already that mechanism in place if you feel the investigators needed to be investigated, its called the Inspector General. As far as the actual documents to members of congress, weve already seen through the competing memos that came out a couple months ago theyre going to have a narrative crafted regardless of what they see. I doubt there will be a great deal of objectivity but we hope there will be. Steve, we dont know what will be shared with whom. We dont know if its democrats and republicans. We dont know what documents will be there. As someone whos been part of the Intelligence Community, what are your concerns in this meeting with congressional leaders about an active investigation . From just from the intelligen intelligence, its always of concern when you have folks who begin poking around and trying to find out exactly what are your sources and methods are. I use poking around a little bit tongue in cheek. Committees do have Legal Authority to investigate and oversee the practices of Intelligence Services and Law Enforcement to include the fbi. That said, some of the stuff weve been hearing about in terms of exactly who this source is that supposedly was providing information as to what the russians may have been up to in the Trump Campaign, when you start asking specific questions about who those people are, how you got that information, why it is that you used certain investigative techniques and especially when it comes in such a highly politicized environment, from the intelligence perspective and from the people who are trying to do their jobs to get these investigations done, you become concern tlad this information that youre providing that under normal circumstances would be perfectly normal and acceptable for Intelligence Community oversight to be asking about maybe used politically and thats the big concern is, is revealing those sources and methods and compromising potential future things that you can do with those sources and methods. Steve, sam clovis one of the former Trump Campaign advisers. We know hes one of at least three people that this confidential source met with. Here is how he described the meeting he had with that confidential source to an eye eye radio station. The meeting was very high level. It was like two faculty members sitting down talking about research. There was no indication or no inclination that this was anything other than just wanting to offer up his help to the campaign if i needed it. It was not anything other than him talking about the research that he had done on china and that was essentially what the discussion was about, and we already had a lot of china people involved. Taking him at his word and you can debate whether or not that should be done, if you take him at his word does that sound like infiltration and embedding to you . Again, this is something that is extremely uncomfortable and difficult to talk about and i dont want to speculate too far as to how the fbi may have been using or whether theyre using confidential informants and how particularly they were doing that, what they were tasked to do, what approach they were asked to take . These are all, again, methods that Intelligence Services of Law Enforcement use which really should not be talked about outside of very special circumstances, oversight circumstances and perhaps if youre talking about ig inspections, the Inspector General. You have to be careful when youre analyzing these things because youre going to start showing, you know, how it is that youre the Law Enforcement organizations and intelligence organizations are doing that. You got to be really careful talking about this kind of stuff. From a laymans perspective, it doesnt sound like deep probing or digging. It doesnt sound like he was asking for state secrets or campaign information. Laura, theres another aspect of this, its that the president was consulting with his personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, about using his executive powers calling on the doj to launch this investigation. Does that blur how much does that blur lines here . Are there even lines . Are we just such blob or amorphous mass of points spread out over a page . Were the amorphous mass now. He didnt go to the white house counsel. He already knows that hes making a personal endeavor, a personal overture to oversee the executive branch. Because the office of the presidency is that which actually oversees the department of justice, you would enlist the help of the people who are charged to protecting that particular office. He is not. Hes gone through the personal route which gives you the idea theres more of an axe to grind as opposed to a procedural issue thats happening here at the executive branch. The overall theme is the same. Its Rudy Giuliani whos been talking as his personal counsel about the notion of perjury traps. Now this discussion about an informant or a source has the smack of saying, well, they were trying to entrap through a conversation. This overall theme is very, very distinct from what a source normally does but it goes with the personal momentum that the president is trying to generate. If they were after me, they wanted to trap people who knew me and if i speak to you, you will try to perjury me in many ways. Laura coates, steve hall, thanks so much for being with us. Not unrelated to all of this happening now on capitol hill, top u. S. Officials briefing lawmakers on current threats to u. S. Elections. Our manu raju is outside of that meeting. This is a meeting where all members were invited. What can you tell us about it . Reporter Senior Administration officials, Kirstjen Nielsen and Christopher Wray, as members who are emerging here are giving reactions, probably not surprisingly along party lines, speaking to one determine congressman, he said i dont feel confident about what the administration is doing. He heard what in his view was a lot of bur carrotic responses and not a lot of sweeping strategy in how to deal with the russian threat specifically ahead of 2018. Republicans on the other hand say they are more confident that the administration is taking steps, taking this seriously and has learned lessons about what happened in the 2016 elections that they could apply to 2018. So were still getting more from members as they emerge but already youre hearing just some concern from democrats not enough is being done. Perhaps not surprisingly on capitol hill, members having different reactions depending on what side of the aisle they sit on. Shocked to see partisanship on capitol hill. 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In north korea right now, a small group of journalists has been invite today see what the regime says will be the destruction of its Nuclear Test Sites. Will ripley who has spent quite a lot of time in north korea has a look at what this will entail and hes there. Reporter weve arrived here on north koreas east coast. We flew here on a charter with a small group of International Journalists from beijing. There were a lot of empty seats on our plane. Possibly in the coming hours we just dont know exactly when because right now the weather, the rain here is Holding Things back. Were traveling to the north korean mountains to the Nuclear Test Site. To give you a sense of just how remote this area is. Well have to take a train from here about 11 hours into the mountains, then its a four hour drive beyond that, maybe more if the roads are bad because of the weather and then an additional at least one hour hike after that just to get to the Nuclear Test Site where north korea has conducted six north korea tests since 2006. This is a place that has never been seen by foreign journalists before. The North Koreans say theyre been transparent here, that theyre bringing us, the press, to show you the destruction of their nuclear site, the implosion of tunnels, the removal of buildings and researchers and guards, the shut down of the entire area. Some except ticks say this is all for show. The North Koreans say thats not the case. This is a good faith gesture that they are willing to work with the United States and its allies to give up the Nuclear Weapons ahead of these crucial planned talks in singapore next month between President Trump and kim jongun. There is some scepticism even on the ground here about whether this summit can go forward given the rhetoric out of the washington. Of course, gadhafi and libya gave up his Nuclear Weapons and was dead just a few years later. The North Koreans say that will never happen here and they will walk away from the summit if the United States keeps using that kind of rhetoric. They do have incentives here to work with the United States, to work with President Trump. There could be a terrific Economic Opportunities for this country if the situation were to change. Just beyond me there along the beach, a beach where they conducted live fire drills and launched missiles just last year, now theyre building a massive new beach resort hoping to attract tourists if and when north korea does open up further to the outside world. Our thanks to will ripley for that. Remarkable Vantage Point. A very crucial time between north korea south korea and the United States. Look, the south korean president is meeting at the white house with President Trump today. No one has more on the line in the north korea talks with the United States than the president of south korea. Does he need to step in and save these talks and how would he do that . John, hes already an integral party in all of this. If you look at it, the summit that he had with kim jongun april 27th laid the ground work, the foundation for this u. S. north korea summit. In many respects hes trying to keep all the pieces together. Whats interesting, during that interkorean summit with kim jongun, president moon had about 30 minutes with him and it looked like he was giving advice on how to prepare for the meeting with President Trump. This prescheduled meeting thats going to happen in the white house, this was president moons opportunity to coordinate with President Trump on how to deal with kim jongun. So added to all of this is the wrinkle of what happened last week. These are obstacles that the south korean side are confi

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